[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

[ViRGE]

I would point out that AMD has released the entire analyst day slide deck, and that slide is not in the deck.

http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-analystday

I will leave it as an exercise to the audience as to whether the slide in question is authentic or not.

 

[sontin]

AMD made it very clear that HBM will only be used by their enthusiast line up. They dont even bother to bring it to their APU products next year. It is not ready for low priced products.

And they are using Tonga for the R9 380 OEM version. So how likely is it that they will introduce a much faster R9 370 AIB card which will be using less power than the R9 380 OEM card...

/edit: The slide is fake.

 

[RussianSensation]

Feels like certain posters want to feel good about their Maxwell GPU purchase which is why they don't want R9 300 series to succeed at all costs. It's ironic of course because more competition means lower prices on existing Maxwell cards, more price pressure on GM200 6GB, more pressure for NV to release a 1.2-1.3Ghz GM200 (winning!), and more incentive for NV to refresh 960/970/980 with 960Ti, 970Ti and faster clocked 980. Then again the dual Tonga XT and re-brand theorists put their reputations on the line when it comes to GPU predictions, and then it starts to make sense how they don't want to be proven wrong. Also, I wouldn't discount the possibility that there are put holders/short sellers of AMD that would desire nothing more but for AMD to go bankrupt asap.

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For those who still insist on air cooling, you'll have the option to buy open air-cooled cards. Those will be made with larger sized PCBs to accommodate the larger Sapphire Tri-X, Asus DCUII, MSI Lightning/Gaming style coolers. However, it's highly doubtful any of them will be able to compete with an AIO CLC beast.

EVGA Hybrid 980 AIO CLC tested by Jay:

* 1600mhz Boost with 0.87V bump over stock, all running @ 51*C, whisper quiet

Review

No air cooled card can touch this. It only gets better for the AIO CLC as power consumption rises.

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As far as medium sized cases having trouble fitting AIO CLCs, that's basically not true at all. Cases such as NZXT 440 for $100 or NZXT Noctis 450 can fit 3-4x 120mm AIO CLCs without issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhRIrxiOBMU

Corsair Obsidian 350

Even a much smaller case can easily accomodate a 120mm AIO CLC and a CLC on the CPU.

Corsair A240

Corsair Obsidian 250D

MB: Asus ROG Impact
CPU: i7 4770K
CPU Cooler: H100i
GPU: XFX R 295x2
RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro 2400 (16gb)
HD: Samsung Pro 512 x2 (Raid 0)
PSU: Corsair AX1200i

Maingear's mid-tower with 2x120mm rad for the CPU and 2x120mm AIO CLCs.

I guess some PC gamers just hate innovation and having options and others embrace it and move on with the times.

And they are using Tonga for the R9 380 OEM version. So how likely is it that they will introduce a much faster R9 370 AIB card which will be using less power than the R9 380 OEM card...

So your theory is what? That AMD will only release 3 new GPUs, R9 390/390X, 395X2, everything is just a 100% re-brand, or are you suggesting R9 380 = 285, 380X = Tonga XT, 390 = R9 290, 390X = 390X?

 

[Silverforce11]

This X vs non-X( for OEM) is messed up, adds to confusion.

Wait & see. I'm only interested in the 390X WCE with 8GB vram. Can't spend big bucks on a 4K monitor & top GPU to have 4gb vram ruin it.

 

[sontin]

So your theory is what? That AMD will only release 3 new GPUs, R9 390/390X, 395X2, everything is just a 100% re-brand, or are you suggesting R9 380 = 285, 380X = Tonga XT, 390 = R9 290, 390X = 390X?

Maybe.
Even AMD doesnt think that their new lineup will have a huge impact on their fiancials. Here is a slide from their presentation:

"Mid-Single digit growth" is nothing for a new lineup with HBM with such great perf/watt numbers...

 

[Enigmoid]

Feels like certain posters want to feel good about their Maxwell GPU purchase which is why they don't want R9 300 series to succeed at all costs. It's ironic of course because more competition means lower prices on existing Maxwell cards, more price pressure on GM200 6GB, more pressure for NV to release a 1.2-1.3Ghz GM200 (winning!), and more incentive for NV to refresh 960/970/980 with 960Ti, 970Ti and faster clocked 980.

Lots of people seem to be under the impression that a statement that a particular company is not going to do well (or equivalent) is a desire for that company to fail.

 

[96Firebird]

Yup, there is a difference between what we hope will happen and what is probably going to happen.

I like to live in the real world myself.

 

[Silverforce11]

Maybe.
Even AMD doesnt think that their new lineup will have a huge impact on their fiancials. Here is a slide from their presentation:

"Mid-Single digit growth" is nothing for a new lineup with HBM with such great perf/watt numbers...

That's a very honest outlook from AMD.. PC flat to down definitely until Zen.

Everything else with some growth is good news for them given how hammered (negative, major loss) they've been since Maxwell's 970/980 launched.

 

[therealnickdanger]

I think the 3X perf/W improvements apply only to HBM vs GDDR5 at similar flops.

 

[JDG1980]

I would point out that AMD has released the entire analyst day slide deck, and that slide is not in the deck.

http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-analystday

I will leave it as an exercise to the audience as to whether the slide in question is authentic or not.

Agreed. What are the odds that an authentic slide from Financial Analyst Day was released to WCCFTech and only to WCCFTech, and not to any reputable source, and that it wasn't published on AMD's website?

Other sites would have published it had it been included, if only to show off the render of the Fiji card. As a roadmap, it's completely worthless and tells us essentially nothing.

 

[JDG1980]

Maybe.
Even AMD doesnt think that their new lineup will have a huge impact on their fiancials. Here is a slide from their presentation:

"Mid-Single digit growth" is nothing for a new lineup with HBM with such great perf/watt numbers...

I don't see how Fiji alone is going to give them even mid-single digit growth. High-end cards are not huge sellers, and many of the people in the market for one this year have already bought a Titan X. Unless Fiji can somehow beat Titan X by >10% across the board, those buyers aren't going to be crossing over to Team Red this year. Meanwhile, if the rebrand indications are true, everything else will be hammered, as no one wants to buy rebrands, and these aren't even appealing ones - R9 285, R7 265, and some Bonaire card whose name escapes me - what enthusiast wants this? How in the world is this supposed to do anything but hemorrhage market share until Arctic Islands is ready in 2016?

AMD is honest enough to admit that desktop CPU revenue will be "flat to down" for 2015. That's obvious, because AMD doesn't have anything worthwhile in the pipe until Zen. For this year, it's more Piledriver chips from 2012, and a rebrand of Kaveri. None of this was much good in the first place and it won't be much good now. In the GPU side, one high-end product isn't going to make any real difference. Now, if they have two or three HBM chips ready, then mid single digit growth starts to sound like a reasonable assumption - perhaps even a bit conservative. AMD has been sued for incorrect financial assumptions (Llano), so they are probably inclined to be conservative about this, however liberal they might be about extrapolating technical performance metrics.

They also expect double digit percentage growth in revenue for pro graphics. How is Fiji by itself supposed to do this? Again, this makes more sense if we assume a lineup of two or three HBM GPUs. Maybe they even managed to get a HBM product into the next Mac Pro...

 

[swilli89]

Wait what happened to AnandTECH? Seems like it was replaced with AnandFinancialAnalysis. Seriously. Who isn't excited about a stock water cooled new high end GPU with a brand new type of memory?

Was some guy really complaining about it taking up a 120mm spot for the radiator? Jesus man. I understand the endless squabbling over benchmarks and other performance metrics but page after page of trying to understand AMD's financial performance and talking about the cooling solution that is already proven in the 295x2 is just nuts. We are supposed to be enthusiasts, not server farm admins trying to squeeze every flop possible out of a watt or wall street investors..

 

[monstercameron]

david kanter just made a remark about gpu size on the techreport podcast, note that he has experience with the fiji cards.

 

[boozzer]

Wait what happened to AnandTECH? Seems like it was replaced with AnandFinancialAnalysis. Seriously. Who isn't excited about a stock water cooled new high end GPU with a brand new type of memory?

Was some guy really complaining about it taking up a 120mm spot for the radiator? Jesus man. I understand the endless squabbling over benchmarks and other performance metrics but page after page of trying to understand AMD's financial performance and talking about the cooling solution that is already proven in the 295x2 is just nuts. We are supposed to be enthusiasts, not server farm admins trying to squeeze every flop possible out of a watt or wall street investors..

because it is another way to attack amd. there are posters here that wants amd to die. they want the gpu market to end up like the cpu one. it is really weird. the only way for it to make sense is that they stand to gain financially(of course pure speculation) if amd does go kaput. their fervent wish for a dead amd makes zero sense other wise.

 

[jpiniero]

Wait what happened to AnandTECH? Seems like it was replaced with AnandFinancialAnalysis. Seriously. Who isn't excited about a stock water cooled new high end GPU with a brand new type of memory?

But it's not by nVidia!

 

[xthetenth]

Was some guy really complaining about it taking up a 120mm spot for the radiator? Jesus man. I understand the endless squabbling over benchmarks and other performance metrics but page after page of trying to understand AMD's financial performance and talking about the cooling solution that is already proven in the 295x2 is just nuts. We are supposed to be enthusiasts, not server farm admins trying to squeeze every flop possible out of a watt or wall street investors..

He's just the sort of person who gets really mad that people do things that don't directly pertain to his desires or needs. It's a fantastic option for a significant chunk of the market, and just as important it should be a cool and fun form factor to see outside the bleeding edge of the land of diminishing return and I hope it's priced to sell.

because it is another way to attack amd. there are posters here that wants amd to die. they want the gpu market to end up like the cpu one. it is really weird. the only way for it to make sense is that they stand to gain financially(of course pure speculation) if amd does go kaput. their fervent wish for a dead amd makes zero sense other wise.

Emotional investment. Too many people treat this like their favorite sports team. Homo Economicus is a dirty lie and this sort of thing just proves it.

 

[Riceninja]

Wait what happened to AnandTECH? Seems like it was replaced with AnandFinancialAnalysis. Seriously. Who isn't excited about a stock water cooled new high end GPU with a brand new type of memory?

Was some guy really complaining about it taking up a 120mm spot for the radiator? Jesus man. I understand the endless squabbling over benchmarks and other performance metrics but page after page of trying to understand AMD's financial performance and talking about the cooling solution that is already proven in the 295x2 is just nuts. We are supposed to be enthusiasts, not server farm admins trying to squeeze every flop possible out of a watt or wall street investors..

well said. i have recent cards from both camps and as a tech enthusiast i love seeing companies pushing new technologies and cutting edge performance and wish nothing but success for watercooled 390x. people that support only one company are blind.

 

[JDG1980]

Wait what happened to AnandTECH? Seems like it was replaced with AnandFinancialAnalysis. Seriously. Who isn't excited about a stock water cooled new high end GPU with a brand new type of memory?

I'm not particularly excited because I'm not going to spend >$500 on a GPU and I don't want a 250W+ fire breathing monster. I want a < 150W GPU for under $300 that will do hardware HEVC decoding and provide comparable performance to Tahiti. Right now the only GPU of any kind that does hardware HEVC decoding is the GTX 960. I want to see some competition for that from AMD, and if it's indeed true that Fiji is the only new chip, it looks like we're not going to get that.

 

[destrekor]

... lots of pictures of nice looking cases with minimal storage options

Come on RS - y'all even helped convince me to ditch my NH-D14 for a H100i on my CPU, so that one of my cards could have a spot for a 120mm radiator (I couldn't go 295X2, no OS X support it seems).

But not everyone wants to ditch internal storage. I myself AM contemplating a quality NAS for a multitude of reasons, but until then, I have numerous drives, 5 to be precise. 2 HDDs, and 3 SSDs.

All of those pictures demonstrate impossible solutions for users of hard drive cages. If you can get away with one or two SSDs mounted in various places, perhaps even an HDD, likely using a 5.25" bay or three, it may be possible... but again, for those who like internal RAID configs or any combination of multiple drives, there are limited options for radiator mounting.

Now, I welcome progress and, above all else, options.
Outside of the most extreme enthusiast parts like 295X2, a hybrid setup should never be required. Stating such is not a statement against progress - if cards are going to remain below 300W and air coolers have demonstrated an ability to handle this, then air cool options must remain an option.

I embrace innovation, and believe in options. You should be able to respect that.
You may not have qualms against users like me, but your blanket statements can be a touch aggravating.

 

[boozzer]

Emotional investment. Too many people treat this like their favorite sports team. Homo Economicus is a dirty lie and this sort of thing just proves it.

oh god, this is as retarded as it gets if true. emotional investment in a piece of hardware in your pc?D: like seriously? I can at least understand monetary motives, but that takes the cake D:

 

[RussianSensation]

I embrace innovation, and believe in options. You should be able to respect that.
You may not have qualms against users like me, but your blanket statements can be a touch aggravating.

Sorry if I came off too aggravated. I think you and I both like the idea of having more options though. It's frustrating how some people hear that R9 390X may be water-cooled and automatically assume it requires WC. As you have already stated, there are gamers such as yourself for whom AIO CLC is not a good option and I believe AMD acknowledges this. You've already seen 500W of power being air cooled with the PowerColor R9 290X II, which means there is no logical reason why there will not be air cooled R9 390/390X versions.

 

[AtenRa]

I would point out that AMD has released the entire analyst day slide deck, and that slide is not in the deck.

http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-analystday

I will leave it as an exercise to the audience as to whether the slide in question is authentic or not.

Im not saying the slide is legit or not but in the past different slides were given for the same hardware release in different regions, example North America vs Europe Midle East and Asia.

 

[3DVagabond]

Im not saying the slide is legit or not but in the past different slides were given for the same hardware release in different regions, example North America vs Europe Midle East and Asia.

The slides are on AMD's site. They are the same for everyone. Not a bad hypothesis though.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Feels like certain posters want to feel good about their Maxwell GPU purchase which is why they don't want R9 300 series to succeed at all costs.

No, but for you Maxwell is obviously an obcession and removed you completely from any form of realism.

 

[ShintaiDK]

That's a very honest outlook from AMD.. PC flat to down definitely until Zen.

Everything else with some growth is good news for them given how hammered (negative, major loss) they've been since Maxwell's 970/980 launched.

It covers past Zen too and 14nm GPUs for that matter. Its a long term growth map expectation.