[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

[Cookie Monster]

Im starting to believe that the R3x0 could just be a re-brand of the R2x0 series (in line with the recent OEM announcements) and i.e. SKUs based on "Fiji" is going to be under a totally new name..

 

[StereoPixel]

If the "new" 300 series cards are based on the old GPU and it is a mass rebranding is necessary to bring an action against AMD for unfair play and fraud.

 

[Glo.]

IF its that 22nm SOI process from IBM/GloFo then its not really a rebrand at all.

Also it looks like the cards will have new GDDR5 memory from Samsung which give better efficiency.

Otherwise I don't know why AMD would want to empty the supplies of R9 290X and 290...

 

[beginner99]

If it's a rebrand and only Fiji is new and branded and priced separately, AMD could just as well close shop. That would be pathetic.

You can get R9 290 now at very low price. That would lead to a huge gap between rebranded hawaii and Fiji. No, can't see it. And the 8 GB doesn't help either if true and it isn't in fact Fiji. No, all direct rebrands except Fiji would be suicide (and that includes clock and 8 gb ram).

 

[beginner99]

Otherwise I don't know why AMD would want to empty the supplies of R9 290X and 290...

So they can sell the identical R9 390 for $100 more...No idea. Full rebrand of 200 series just makes no commercial sense.

 

[Shehriazad]

3 Cards are already going to be "new" for sure.


1x Fiji XT -> 390X or whatever the name is

1x Fiji (was it pro?) 390

Possible broken Fiji chips as lower end? That's a big maybe.

FULL Tonga as god knows what. It might be a 380. We have not yet seen a full Tonga in a consumer card.


And I have no doubt that Hawaii will appear again...but I also think that it will be overhauled a little bit. It might also not come with a reference design at all (which is the smartest AMD could do at this point, we know that AMD blows at reference air designs)

 

[maddie]

3 Cards are already going to be "new" for sure.


1x Fiji XT -> 390X or whatever the name is

1x Fiji (was it pro?) 390

Possible broken Fiji chips as lower end? That's a big maybe.

FULL Tonga as god knows what. It might be a 380. We have not yet seen a full Tonga in a consumer card.


And I have no doubt that Hawaii will appear again...but I also think that it will be overhauled a little bit. It might also not come with a reference design at all (which is the smartest AMD could do at this point, we know that AMD blows at reference air designs)

A little overhaul will not work. If minor changes was all the work done, then AMD is committing corporate suicide.

 

[Shehriazad]

A little overhaul will not work. If minor changes was all the work done, then AMD is committing corporate suicide.

Eeeeeeeeh.

People need to stop betting on the 300 series to be proper, anyway....it's just a gateway drug to the 400 series.

400 and Zen are pretty much the big stuff that they are working on.


Also...why would AMD bother now to make some huge lineup of a ton of new chips if in a year or less they want to try and push 14/16nm cards out the gate.

Keep in mind that AMD doesn't quite have the funds....I feel like Fiji exists solely so AMD stays relevant enough until the 400 series is out.

390/X + Full Tonga is already 3 new cards...what more does it need? Sure, if AMD can harvest some Fijis , Tongas or Hawaiis to make some more decent cards...why not...but don't expect them to make a big jump here.

Realistically speaking I don't even feel like 300 series is a proper name for this.

Full Tonga should be 285X.

Fiji XT should be 300 and Fiji Pro 295P or something like it.

(Hint, I am not trying to state some facts, but rather how I feel this should play out instead of what AMD is doing).

AMD simply does not have the funds to waste on yet another 28nm FULL lineup if they want to be on time for 14/16nm with HBM gen2 at the same time Nvidia does it.

 

[Creig]

What the heck is so wrong about AMD refreshing Hawaii and selling it as a lower end card? It's been a great GPU! Look at Nvidia and Kepler. Kepler is falling flat on its face these days while Hawaii just keeps going strong.

 

[parvadomus]

Also, the new Hawaii may have its tessellation capabilities fully enabled, on 290X its running @ 1/2. I expect a respin should enable that plus throw DP transistors or simply reduce consumption by refining the die layout.

 

[Creig]

AMD wont be winning against GTX 970 or GTX 980 in terms of effenicy and performance pet watt.
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-r9-3...radeon-r9-380-tonga-r9-370-pitcairn-rebrands/

Who cares. There are probably about 10 other factors you should be looking at when buying a gaming video card before you get far enough down the list to arrive at performance/watt. Buying a performance video card for its performance/watt rating is like buying a sports car for its gas mileage. ie- utterly stupid.

 

[Headfoot]

Who cares. There are probably about 10 other factors you should be looking at when buying a gaming video card before you get far enough down the list to arrive at performance/watt. Buying a performance video card for its performance/watt rating is like buying a sports car for its gas mileage. ie- utterly stupid.

This, 100x.

Focusing on power consumption is intentionally missing more important metrics in order to focus on the one that gives your preferred side a win, 95 times out of 100.

 

[maddie]

What the heck is so wrong about AMD refreshing Hawaii and selling it as a lower end card? It's been a great GPU! Look at Nvidia and Kepler. Kepler is falling flat on its face these days while Hawaii just keeps going strong.

Who cares. There are probably about 10 other factors you should be looking at when buying a gaming video card before you get far enough down the list to arrive at performance/watt. Buying a performance video card for its performance/watt rating is like buying a sports car for its gas mileage. ie- utterly stupid.

If AMD sells Hawaii as a lower end card then I'll buy one.

The problem is your second response to DESPRADO. Nvidia's marketing is brilliant. A lot of people are convinced of performance/watt. Great analogy by the way.

With regards to 14nm cards. I find it hard to believe large die will soon be produced [< 1 yr].

 

[Headfoot]

Nvidia's marketing is brilliant. A lot of people are convinced of performance/watt.

A lot of people are wrong. Perf/watt makes no difference in the context of enthusiast PC gamers except to the extent it enables more performance.

 

[Alatar]

It seems like my prediction that people thought would be a terrible lineup if it turned out to be true was actually overly optimistic.

Okay so now that we're having fun...

My prediction:

300 series will consist of: Bonaire, Pitcairn, Tonga, Hawaii and Fiji.

Fiji will see 3-2 versions, WCE 390X, 390X and possibly a 390, the 390Xs offering both 4GB and 8GB options. Power consumption will be on par with Hawaii/GK110/GM200. Performance slower than Titan X at 1080-1440 and slightly faster at 4K.

Hawaii will be slightly overclocked and offered in 8GB versions to better position it against the GM204 cards. No reference cards at all.

Tonga will remain pretty much the same as the R9 285 with 2GB and 4GB versions, and we might see a full tonga

Bonaire and pitcairn will remain the same.

Not sure about the naming of the product stack nor the pricing.

I'm looking forward to finding out which prediction is actually closer to reality.
:hmm:

Time to renew that prediction:

Fiji: Special branding ~$650-700 price 4GB HBM, 5-10% slower than Titan X, unsure if we'll see more than one SKU. A dual version is possible at a later date specially aimed at the VR market.

Hawaii: 390X and 390 with 8GB 6GHz GDDR5 and slight clock bumps to the core.

Tonga: 380, comes with 2GB GDDR5, maybe 4GB versions.

Pitcairn: 370X and 370, mostly 2GB versions, still rocking that GCN 1.0 with no freesync or trueaudio

Bonaire: 360 etc. most likely 2GB cards across the board.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Its not even certain we will see a different card than that one Fiji card.
Since 390X is Hawaii and Fiji XT got a premium name, what would they call the Fiji with disabled cores?

 

[yacoub]

http://videocardz.com/55659/leaked-driver-confirms-hawaii-rebrands-in-radeon-300-series

lol what a negative nancy that article is. They're basically like, "we must assume all the new 300-series cards are just rebrands". :thumbsdown: There will naturally be some rebranded cards, but there pretty much always are, from both manufacturers, when they release a new series.

If it's a rebrand and only Fiji is new and branded and priced separately, AMD could just as well close shop. That would be pathetic.

Yep, and that's precisely why I doubt that would be the case. It would be pathetic.

 

[parvadomus]

Its not even certain we will see a different card than that one Fiji card.
Since 390X is Hawaii and Fiji XT got a premium name, what would they call the Fiji with disabled cores?

If Fiji gets a premium name it should be faster than titan X, otherwise whats the point?

390X being Hawaii is a bit sad, hope AMD do some magic to level it with 980s performance wise. At least drivers, that they havent updated in a while.

 

[destrekor]

A lot of people are wrong. Perf/watt makes no difference in the context of enthusiast PC gamers except to the extent it enables more performance.

I love how convinced people can be that they know the pulse of the entire gaming community, enthusiast and non-enthusiast alike.

 

[Headfoot]

I love how convinced people can be that they know the pulse of the entire gaming community, enthusiast and non-enthusiast alike.

Until I see a rational reason to need perf/watt, I'll continue to prefer performance over all else. Which is why benchmarking sites spend vastly more time benchmarking FPS than power consumption. If you have an logical and evidence-based argument, make it. Otherwise passive-aggressive posturing doesn't prove me wrong in the least.

 

[Udgnim]

If Fiji gets a premium name it should be faster than titan X, otherwise whats the point?

390X being Hawaii is a bit sad, hope AMD do some magic to level it with 980s performance wise. At least drivers, that they havent updated in a while.

if AMD tries to continue with Hawaii and fit it into the $300-$500 space, they are going to need to add more to Hawaii than higher clocks, lower TDP, and 8GB VRAM

R9 290X @ 1150 doesn't beat stock GTX 980 for the most part @ 2560*1600

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/52/3/

 

[DiogoDX]

if AMD tries to continue with Hawaii and fit it into the $300-$500 space, they are going to need to add more to Hawaii than higher clocks, lower TDP, and 8GB VRAM

R9 290X @ 1150 doesn't beat stock GTX 980 for the most part @ 2560*1600

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/52/3/

A 1030mhz custom 290X is not far of the stock 980.

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-05/...h/2/#diagramm-rating-2560-1440-hohe-qualitaet

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/933-24/recapitulatif-performances.html

But I agree that a relaunch of the hawaii and caling 390X and 390 will be ridiculous.

 

[tential]

if AMD tries to continue with Hawaii and fit it into the $300-$500 space, they are going to need to add more to Hawaii than higher clocks, lower TDP, and 8GB VRAM

R9 290X @ 1150 doesn't beat stock GTX 980 for the most part @ 2560*1600

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/52/3/

The 290x is also vastly cheaper than the gtx 980. You can pick up an r9 295x2 for the price of the gtx 980. It's quite ridiculous that amd has to perform on pay or beat nvidia while pricing far below them too in order for people to be happy.

I think a relaunch is stupid, but with enough improvements and a competitive price it's easy for it to be a decent card. If it gets a decent speed bump, double ram, and lower power consumption all whole priced well it won't matter though. The market will chew amd alive for not having a "new" card.

 

[sm625]

When was the last time AMD released a new card onto the market into a specific price bracket, and not totally destroyed the competition in that particular price bracket? The R9 295x2 is $600. For $850 I expect that the card will outright outperform the 295x2. That is a tall order given the power consumption. But even against the 980, which is a $549 card, you have to expect AMD to be able to beat it by 849/549, or 55%, in order for them to justify that price. That's what they've done in their past 5+ years of gpu launches.

 

[desprado]

Until I see a rational reason to need perf/watt, I'll continue to prefer performance over all else. Which is why benchmarking sites spend vastly more time benchmarking FPS than power consumption. If you have an logical and evidence-based argument, make it. Otherwise passive-aggressive posturing doesn't prove me wrong in the least.

90% of gamer which are low end and mid end care mostly about performance per watt and power consumption so that is the reason why AMD DGPU share are below 20%.