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Lifer
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I think you're confused, Nvidia released GM107 (750 Ti and 750) in 2014, along with GM204. But why are we ending in 2014? From the beginning of 2014 until now, they have also released GM206 and GM200. Just wondering what has been going on all this time...
Excuse me but what has nvidias team been working on then? Still using Kepler for mid range on down from 2013? It's ok for nvidia to rebrand 680 to 770 or to not release a 950 ti or 960 non ti? Also keep in mind 960 ti didn't show up til MONTHS after big maxwell. Why must amd present a full stack when nvidia just released a single new chip in all of 2014?
I'm really baffled why AMD hasn't released a fully enabled 4 GB version of Tonga. With better tessellation capabilities, color compression, more asynchronous compute engines, it would be in a much better position to compete with Maxwell than Tahiti. Surely some Tonga chips must come out fully functional? Or are they working with a broken process? What gives?
AMD can sell GCN as long as its relevant.
I'm not sure one can say AMD has been behind on releases. It's just perception. In 2014 they put out the 280, 285, 295x2, 265, 250x
AMD can sell GCN as long as its relevant.
I'm not sure one can say AMD has been behind on releases. It's just perception. In 2014 they put out the 280, 285, 295x2, 265, 250x
2013 they had 290 290x 260x etc.
Now they are going to launch a new stack again. Nvidia launched the 970 980 last year so people think amd is behind but nvidia is not launching anything this year to match the new lineup. So will people say nvidia is behind next year? Nope.
No, I was responding to swilli just didn't quote his post. When I started typing my post, yours wasn't there...
Sure, they can keep selling old chips if they want. But it doesn't seem to be working well for them marketshare-wise. I think a new stack of new GPUs would sell well for them, and that is what I hope to see, but rumors are suggesting otherwise.
The only new AMD GPU to come out in 2014 was Tonga (285). The 295X2 may have required some man-hours to get the cooler worked out... The rest of the cards you mentioned were old GPUs with tweaked clocks, aka rebrands. These required little work from AMD to release.
Full Tonga is kind of late, now.
It should have been in PC's as the 285X, battling with NV a couple months after the 285 was launched, imo.
But I will still be glad to see it. ::biggrin:
Yet nvidia has one compelling price/performance card and that is the 970. The 960 is pretty bad at its price point. Who cares if its new silicon? It could be a vacuum tube processor for all i care. I am not a business analyst, I am a gamer that wants max frames per second for my dollar.
Yet nvidia has one compelling price/performance card and that is the 970. The 960 is pretty bad at its price point. Who cares if its new silicon? It could be a vacuum tube processor for all i care. I am not a business analyst, I am a gamer that wants max frames per second for my dollar.
I think you missed the gist of my post. I am wondering what the AMD engineers are working on, since it isn't showing much on the GPU side. Maybe the hardware engineers are working on bettering the APUs, maybe porting to GloFo is labor intensive? Maybe Fiji and HBM took a lot of their resources? If so, I hope it pays off for them with experience when it comes time to bring the rest of their lineup with HBM.
Everything down to the $99 GTX 750 has the current architecture.
With that in mind, along with the hardware/architectural changes weve listed earlier, the other big factor that sets Maxwell 2 apart from Maxwell 1 is its feature set. In that respect Maxwell 2 is almost a half-generational update on its own, as it implements a number of new features that were not present in Maxwell 1. This means Maxwell 2 is bringing some new features that we need to cover, but it also means that the GM204 based GTX 900 series is feature differentiated from the GTX 600/700 series in a way that the earlier GTX 750 series was not."
From what I've been reading here and on other forums, the lists below seem to be the best and worst case scenarios that people have been talking about.
From what I've been reading here and on other forums, the lists below seem to be the best and worst case scenarios that people have been talking about. One thing that stands out is the question of how AMD will structure their line up with regards to pricing given that Fiji looks like it will have a lot more SPs than the next chip down which is likely to be a tweaked Hawaii design so the performance gap could be substantial. Either it could mean AMD is going to enter with aggressive pricing (compared to Titan but still higher than the overpriced 980 (relative to the 970)) or present it as a much higher tiered product with pricing much similar to Nvidia's top end.
The lack of leaks and information about the entire lineup is interesting and the OEM 300 series has caused some controversy, however it's possible that these cards could be named the 400 series and as a result would not have appeared in any drivers currently out. At the moment it seems anything is possible but one thing is clear: AMD have to bring a noticeable performance benefit to consumers in every tier along with updated features, better power consumption and better coolers right out of the gate to change the perception of their brand. Whether this will translate into sales isn't a certainty, but a surprise like the 4800 series or the 9700 is needed at this point to give them a significant boost.
This might not be the best time to do it with regards to fabrication shrink schedules but it is for them as a business as they need a meaningful response to current consumer demands to boost their market share.
Caveat: I live in the UK so I'm going off their prices at the moment, these scenarios might be a little bit different everywhere else, but the overall message probably still holds true.
Best case scenario - GloFo 28nm production
390X/Fury Maxx - Fiji XT
- £550 (Water cooled edition)
- 4096 Shaders
- 1050Mhz
- 8GB HBM
- Titan rivalling performance
390/Fury Pro - Fiji Pro
- £450
- ~3584 Shaders?
- 1000Mhz
- 6GB HBM
- 980Ti rivalling performance
380X - Hawaii XT
- £370
- 2816 Shaders (updated GCN architecture)
- 1100Mhz (due to better GloFo process)
- 8GB GDDR5
- 980 rivalling performance
380 - Hawaii Pro
- £300
- 2560 Shaders (updated GCN architecture)
- 1050Mhz
- 8GB GDDR5
- 970+ performance
370X - Tonga XT
- £170
- 2048 Shaders (updated GCN architecture)
- 1100Mhz
- 4/8GB GDDR5
- 960+ performance
370 - Tonga Pro
- £140
- 1792 Shaders (updated GCN architecture)
- 1000Mhz
- 4GB GDDR5
- 960 performance
Worst case scenario - TSMC 28nm production
390X/Fury Maxx - Fiji XT
- £650+ (Water cooled edition)
- 4096 Shaders
- 1050Mhz
- 4GB HBM
- 980Ti rivalling performance
390/Fury Pro - Fiji Pro
- £550+
- ~3584 Shaders?
- 1000Mhz
- 4GB HBM
- 980+ performance
380X - Hawaii XT (rebranded 290X)
- £350
380 - Hawaii Pro (rebranded 290)
- £280
370X - Tonga XT ("full" Tonga)
- £200
370 - Tonga Pro (rebranded 285)
- £160
It's amazing just how little we know for a fact at the moment, but AMD must surely know that they can't make any assumptions and need to be aggressive to build back up.
whats a fury pro? who made this up?