A lot of people on this forum have extremely short memories or they just act that way. For example, some of them claim that AMD should have launched Fiji cards a long time ago at prices as high as possible and if NV's 980Ti/Titan X beat those cards, well not a problem, AMD could have lowered the prices when NV launched. The irony of this argument is that AMD did exactly that with a 7970 $550 but when $499 680 came out, AMD dropped prices about $50-75 2.5 months after its original launch. This very forum and many others online wents nuts, absolutely nuts and hysterical how AMD flopped, how they overpriced the flagship part milking early adopters, blah blah blah.
Yet today, we hardly see the same reaction from the same people wrt to Titan X vs. 980Ti, yet NV just wiped out $350 of value from the Titan X in 2.5 months. Can you imagine if AMD did that? We wouldn't hear the end of it on these forums if AMD launched Fiji XT January 1, 2015 for $850 and then 980Ti tied it at $650 and AMD had to lower prices $200-250. :whiste:
With AMD having all the prices of NV's product stack, and possibly the rumoured GTX960Ti that might launch soon at $249, AMD is in a pole position to dictate price/perfomance at launch and do to Maxwell what NV did with Kepler's 660Ti/670/680 cards. AMD can undercut every single NV card by $50 or offer 5-10% more performance for the same price and NV's entire stack looks overpriced.
Prime targets will be 750Ti/960/980 because each of those cards is garbage when it comes to price/performance. With the right marketing launch strategy, those 3 cards can be made entirely irrelevant by new AMD cards. The question is does AMD have a new marketing plan in place to talk about how people buy Gaming graphics cards for games? If AMD delivers full HVEC 4K decoding/encoding hardware support in the budget range, 750/750Ti are seriously jeopardized. 960 is such a poor value, it should be easy to dethrone it with an unlocked 285. 980, not much needs to be said about it. A $499 3500 shader Fiji or a 10% faster R9 390X for $399 should make a $499 980 a bad buy.
Nvidia without a doubt has some more Ti cards they can release if need be, so who knows who will win this cat and mouse game..
AMD has usually been secretive about new releases.
Even if Fiji XT still manages to beat that card, NV will release a fully unlocked GM200 with 1350mhz clocks just as I predicted about 6 months ago. I think NV has got this generation in the bag.
The first batch, not even including EVGA Classified, MSI Lightning, Galax HOF or Asus Matrix is already super impressive with overclocks no worse than for the 398mm2 980, but we are talking a factory pre-overclocked 601mm2 chip. NV and AIBs went tall out. NV's easy overclocking is going to give their flagship cards a big advantage by the look of it. Even if Fiji XT beats the Titan X by 5%, a 20-25% faster clocked 980Ti will take all that back. Even if Fiji XT still manages to beat that card, NV will release a fully unlocked GM200 with 1350mhz clocks just as I predicted about 6 months ago. I think NV has got this generation in the bag.
MSI GTX980Ti Gaming 6G has 1279mhz Boost. Usually MSI has a very small premium compared to reference cards. I expect this card to be $689. 18% higher base clock is huge for what's likely going to be a < $50 premium.
Zotac AMP! Extreme has a base clock of 1253 mhz (25% higher than a reference card) and 1355mhz Boost. Massive factory pre-overclock.
Gigabyte Windforce G1 now incorporates semi-passive fan profile to enhance light gaming in absolute silence. G1 tends to have 1329mhz Boost.
How does this relate to Fiji Fury? Well NV came out swinging on day 1 with massively factory pre-overclocked 980Ti cards, some of which like the G1 or MSI Gaming have passive fan mode at lower temperatures. There is no way Fiji XT with a radiator will have a passive fan mode.
Once reviews of these 980Ti cards start coming in, performance should increase 10-15% on top of the reference 980Ti, which means AMD's Fiji Fury is suddenly competing with $700-750 after-market versions that are easily beating the Titan X reference card. Ouch.
*** BTW, for your rig, probably an R9 290X/970 is a way better fit should you choose to upgrade. FX8320 even at 4Ghz will start holding back a card like 980Ti/Fiji XT too much.
Typical nVidia that the card will only hold it's boost clocks long enough to run benchmarks. People really think these cards are giving them the performance in the graphs, but they aren't.TPU said:Idle temperatures are fine; idle-fan-off would have certainly been possible. Under load, the card reaches its thermal limit of 84°C after a minute of gaming or so, which will cause it to lower Boost clocks, and, as such, performance.
Fury will need to go higher than 1Ghz base clock, like I have posted long ago - Maxwell gen Nvidia cards are ridiculous clockers. You just can't compete with 1.4-1.5Ghz custom 980 / 980 ti cards.
Infact I was expecting NV to release full GM200, binned for 1.25 or so clock and ~275w TDP. Maybe it is still in the cards, 980 ultra anyone?
AMD needs higher clocks, 290 respun cards over ~1.2ghz and Fiji ~same.
Problem is...
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Typical nVidia that the card will only hold it's boost clocks long enough to run benchmarks. People really think these cards are giving them the performance in the graphs, but they aren't.
GCN DX12 Feature Level 3?
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.ph...ette-directx-12-featurelevel-beherrschen.html
We don't know Fiji performance yet, but some know what Clocks it needs to reach to match competition! :thumbsup:
GCN DX12 Feature Level 3?
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.ph...ette-directx-12-featurelevel-beherrschen.html
If both competitors have decent amount of ROPs, TMUs and shaders, and one of them is clocked 1.5x higher, it does not take a rocket scientist to see that lower clocked one needs a miracle in efficiency department?
Yea, but basic knowledge is enough to spot a difference in throughput of different architectures. 1ROP GCN =/ 1 ROP Maxwell.
GCN DX12 Feature Level 3?
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.ph...ette-directx-12-featurelevel-beherrschen.html
Yup I remember that scenario because that's when I got my 7970, when it was $470 from Newegg. Glad I waited and it seems like I'll be waiting some more now unless something is really tempting. Are these cards due out by end of June?A lot of people on this forum have extremely short memories or they just act that way. For example, some of them claim that AMD should have launched Fiji cards a long time ago at prices as high as possible and if NV's 980Ti/Titan X beat those cards, well not a problem, AMD could have lowered the prices when NV launched. The irony of this argument is that AMD did exactly that with a 7970 $550 but when $499 680 came out, AMD dropped prices about $50-75 2.5 months after its original launch. This very forum and many others online wents nuts, absolutely nuts and hysterical how AMD flopped, how they overpriced the flagship part milking early adopters, blah blah blah.
Yet today, we hardly see the same reaction from the same people wrt to Titan X vs. 980Ti, yet NV just wiped out $350 of value from the Titan X in 2.5 months. Can you imagine if AMD did that? We wouldn't hear the end of it on these forums if AMD launched Fiji XT January 1, 2015 for $850 and then 980Ti tied it at $650 and AMD had to lower prices $200-250. :whiste:
With AMD having all the prices of NV's product stack, and possibly the rumoured GTX960Ti that might launch soon at $249, AMD is in a pole position to dictate price/perfomance at launch and do to Maxwell what NV did with Kepler's 660Ti/670/680 cards. AMD can undercut every single NV card by $50 or offer 5-10% more performance for the same price and NV's entire stack looks overpriced.
Prime targets will be 750Ti/960/980 because each of those cards is garbage when it comes to price/performance. With the right marketing launch strategy, those 3 cards can be made entirely irrelevant by new AMD cards. The question is does AMD have a new marketing plan in place to talk about how people buy Gaming graphics cards for games? If AMD delivers full HVEC 4K decoding/encoding hardware support in the budget range, 750/750Ti are seriously jeopardized. 960 is such a poor value, it should be easy to dethrone it with an unlocked 285. 980, not much needs to be said about it. A $499 3500 shader Fiji or a 10% faster R9 390X for $399 should make a $499 980 a bad buy.
TPU uses BF3 to test OCs for some reason...it's high time they dropped BF3 entirely.http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph9306/74813.png
980Ti overclock gets a 20% performance increase there.
TPU uses BF3 to test OCs for some reason...it's high time they dropped BF3 entirely.
also...no Witcher 3 benches with the 980TI? i would think that's the "halo game" for this card to be tested with.
Because it's not biased towards either brand and they both have heavily optimized drivers for it. Crossfire and SLI scale great, etc...