[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

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Part of the HSA standards allow applications to have a common memory pool. Even if either the CPU or GPU is doing unique tasks the memory could be seen and accessed by both. You won't need separate memory pools. Compute is one of the uses that will benefit a lot, but its not the only one.

You still need dedicated memory for the GPU. Yes, applications with HSA support will be able to use a shared memory pool between the GPU and CPU, but you still need two memory pools. If you buy a APU with full HSA support today it's still going to need two memory pools.

Not all applications can benefit from HSA, this includes graphics for now.
 

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1070Mhz Core clock and 2x 8 pin PCIe power connector imply it's a normal Hawaii TSMC spin. No power savings there, move along.
 

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Its from OBR but yeah BIG disapoited from AMD if TRUE.

Question is why the hell they waiting almost 1 year from GTX970/980 launch to release another hawaii card.
Didnt RS says it wont happend?
 
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Its from OBR but yeah BIG disapoited from AMD if TRUE.

Question is why the hell they waiting almost 1 year from GTX970/980 launch to release another hawaii card.
Didnt RS says it wont happend?

1. AMD is stupid and think they can sell a straight Hawaii rebrand for $449, when they struggle to sell R290/X for $220-280.
2. It's not a straight rebrand.

Take your pick.
 

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1070Mhz Core clock and 2x 8 pin PCIe power connector imply it's a normal Hawaii TSMC spin. No power savings there, move along.

It implies that Grenada (whatever it turns out to be) is pin-compatible with Hawaii and that Asus just reused the existing board design. It doesn't necessarily mean that the silicon is exactly the same. There is no reason that a GloFo redesign could not use the same pinout; in fact, the board partners probably wanted it for precisely this reason.

Asus has a history of sometimes being lazy with their designs. When they created the R9 290 and 290X DirectCU II cards, they simply re-used the cooler from the GTX 780 series, and only three of the five heatpipes made contact with the smaller Hawaii chip's core. This is why the Sapphire Tri-X cooler, which was designed for AMD chips, did much better. It's also disappointing to see Asus carry over the old port layout into a new design; we really should be done with DVI ports at this point. 2x DVI and only one DisplayPort on a 2015 design is a very poor decision.

One thing is for sure, if this is indeed just a rebranded TSMC Hawaii chip, then the $449 price cited in the Tweaktown article is a fantasy. Who in their right mind would pay that? The R9 290X is available for under $300, and these cards can already hit the 1070 MHz clock speed. 8GB of RAM is going to make absolutely no difference unless you're running two of these hypothetical cards in Crossfire on 4K, and that would be an incredibly silly thing to do when a single GTX 980 Ti (and probably a Fury X as well) would provide better and more consistent results at a cheaper price. Past tests have shown that Hawaii isn't bottlenecked by RAM bandwidth, so increasing the RAM speed from 1250 to 1500 MHz is also not going to provide a substantial boost in actual performance. If this really is just a R9 290X rebrand with more RAM and factory overclock, then it is going to get slaughtered by the GTX 970, which offers comparable performance at HALF the power usage... and much cheaper! AMD can't possibly think they could get away with doing something like this.

Of course, all this assumes that the slide is genuine. Such a thing could easily be mocked up in 30 minutes by almost anyone, so we will have to wait and see to find out to what extent it is accurate.
 

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1. AMD is stupid and think they can sell a straight Hawaii rebrand for $449, when they struggle to sell R290/X for $220-280.
2. It's not a straight rebrand.

Take your pick.

It might be a respin, but it won't be a major overhaul a la gtx480 to 580. 1070mhz + 6ghz vram should come very close to matching gtx980 in performance. If AMD was able to respin Hawaii and keep power consumption the same then it won't be all that bad.

MoAr vram + "new" chip name + "new" product name will be good enough. Hell, I think at $449 it will eventually drop the gtx 980 down to $499.

I think it will just be Hawaii version 1.1.
 

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It implies that Grenada (whatever it turns out to be) is pin-compatible with Hawaii and that Asus just reused the existing board design.

The Asus DC2OC R9 290X uses 1x6 pin + 1x 8 pin. So 2x 8 pin implies it draws even more power. That is definitely disappointing.

I believe only the VI IP (Tonga and Fiji) are going to enjoy the low-leakage GloFo respin.
 

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Unless this came directly from Asus or is hosted on their website this is a completely useless source and could be made up by anybody.

For one, when has any manufacturer ever put "The card size is 11.3"x 5.8"x 1.6" inches" under dimensions? Asus actually states them in a slightly more sensible way

Come on. Stop spreading FUD as if it's fact. At least state that it's a rumour and could be completely made up. It's most likely clickbait and nothing more.
 

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Yup, smells very like a rebrand like I said many times.
It even got 8+8 power pins, just like Fury X...

And $449 for 390X. People still think Fiji XT/Fury X with water cooling, HBM and 4096 cores (+45% more than 390X) will cost $500-$600?

People have been spoiled with the price AMD have been running for 295X2 and 290X. The products most likely have been sold close to cost, to keep Maxwell at bay. Meaning less margins. AMD needs to make profit to continue to exist.
Start paying for the products if you truly support AMD. I think many people here need to realize this. Atleast for the top end products.
 
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It might be a respin, but it won't be a major overhaul a la gtx480 to 580. 1070mhz + 6ghz vram should come very close to matching gtx980 in performance. If AMD was able to respin Hawaii and keep power consumption the same then it won't be all that bad.

MoAr vram + "new" chip name + "new" product name will be good enough. Hell, I think at $449 it will eventually drop the gtx 980 down to $499.

I think it will just be Hawaii version 1.1.

The reason Hawaii has to price $220-280 to sell is because of its poor efficiency compared to 970/980.

A re-badge would not change that. Who would buy OC Hawaii for $449?

AMD is not that stupid as some here would like to believe.

@Cloudfire777
Smells more like fake clickbait. Too bad some people here can't apply logic. $449 for OC Hawaii!! lol
 

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Something doesn't look right with that picture. It may be a straight photochop. Some of the text lines are much more black vs others. How and why would a professional company like Asus make something like that? Wouldn't the text all be the same if it were real?
 

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The reason Hawaii has to price $220-280 to sell is because of its poor efficiency compared to 970/980.

A re-badge would not change that. Who would buy OC Hawaii for $449?

AMD is not that stupid as some here would like to believe.
Hah, your misjudging people bigtime. Nvidia have been rebranding left and right over the years and continue to do so. Why? Because its a successfull strategy. People just look at the name and think its new and shiny.

With extra 4GB and all the coverage of VRAM usage over the last year in various tech sites, it will probably still sell even though its an overclocked 290X.
We dont even know if AMD will discontinue 290X (and 295X2) when 300 series launch
 
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Something doesn't look right with that picture. It may be a straight photochop. Some of the text lines are much more black vs others. How and why would a professional company like Asus make something like that? Wouldn't the text all be the same if it were real?

It's not even that poor fake pic or that its from anti-AMD OBR...

People should realize current prices for Hawaii and understand that there's no way AMD is going to get many sales if its OC Hawaii at $449.

If its respin GloFo Grenada with massively improved efficiency and 980 beating performance, sure, they can ask $449 for it.
 
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Hah, your misjudging people bigtime. Nvidia have been rebranding left and right over the years and continue to do so. Why? Because its a successfull strategy. People just look at the name and think its new and shiny.

With extra 4GB and all the coverage of VRAM usage over the last year in various tech sites, it will probably still sell even though its an overclocked 290X.
We dont even know if AMD will discontinue 290X (and 295X2)

Low end SKUs and OEMs, they get away with that.

$449 is enthusiast pricing segment.

NV could probably get their fans to pay more for a power hungry dud, but not AMD buyers.
 
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So when the launch happens and if its a straight rebadge of Hawaii, ie, power hungry, almost no performance gains, then you people can rub it in and spit* on AMD, because they would deserve that.

But if its an actual respin, GloFo Grenada with massively improved efficiency and great performance gains.. make sure you guys come back here and re-examine why and what happen to your logic, it seems AWOL.

Edit: * I'll be joining the horde to stomp on AMD if they decide to kamikaze with a straight rebadge!
 
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Something doesn't look right with that picture. It may be a straight photochop. Some of the text lines are much more black vs others. How and why would a professional company like Asus make something like that? Wouldn't the text all be the same if it were real?

The watermark on the image changes how the text looks underneath it, you can see where the bottom watermark starts just under the DVI Output text.
 

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The Asus DC2OC R9 290X uses 1x6 pin + 1x 8 pin. So 2x 8 pin implies it draws even more power. That is definitely disappointing.

I believe only the VI IP (Tonga and Fiji) are going to enjoy the low-leakage GloFo respin.

Where is this 2x 8-pin claim coming from, anyway? The alleged ASUS slide doesn't say that (I re-read it several times to be sure I wasn't missing something), and the power connectors aren't visible in the card image as far as I can see. The Tweaktown article says this, but provides no justification or source for that claim.
 

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Low end SKUs and OEMs, they get away with that.

$449 is enthusiast pricing segment.

NV could probably get their fans to pay more for a power hungry dud, but not AMD buyers.

It will be interesting to see how dedicated people truly are to AMD when Fury X drops with say a price of $700....
Will you support AMD or refuse to pay that amount of money and let AMD dwindle further down?

Will be interesting to see where people stand. The continued hope for 390X not being a rebrand and a price down to $350 and that 390X have been almost more popular than Fury X in forum posts, fortify my belief that many AMD fans are too much spoiled and not willing to support them when it counts.
Just buying GPU from them when the price is down to cost (290X) and not willing to dish out the money when AMD tries to charge so they can make a profit is maybe healthy for your wallet but in the end it may hurt AMD because they will not get enough money to grow and create a bigger budget for R&A and product development...


We will see where AMD fans stand when the 300 series drops.
 
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I have no idea what this slide means but I think it may be part of the press deck when the cards launch. There are more slides than this



 
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