Nice fud, as for brand recognition AMD will be viewed as selling new tech while Nvidia offering will look obsolete, like transistors and tubes, at some point excellency claims must be backed by technical realisations and products, otherwise it s just the usual " im better because i are Nvidia" served ad nauseam by the usual fans...
Really people here are really funny.
Just see the facts People who have GTX 980, GTX 970,R9 290 , R9 290X will buy AMD rebrand GPUs and if think that than you should quit posting in Anandtech.
Coming to Fury if it is priced at $850 than it is death before launch so why?
Because AMD is want to be a premium brand which they cannot be because their customer support is ridiculous, no proper driver support for Gameworks games ,
no special website or a forum to complain or to get troubleshot
so why people want to get frustrated and pay $850.
Coming to fact AMD is aiming 2% to 4% of User with fury like Nvidia did with GTX Titan X but the problem is that those of course most of them wont trust AMD because of their recent support ,failed in promises and lack of professionalism.
Second of all Majority of AMD owners see value and performance so they do not care if it is Nvidia or AMD but most of Nvidia owners are brand loyal so they will never shift to AMD.
If people are thinking that share will shift to AMD in massive than they are wrong.
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/45756...u-ii-oc-details-leak-8gb-gddr5-ram/index.html
For those that still don't believe Hawaii is being rebranded.
What? None of these owners are even considering upgrading to an enhanced Hawaii. Where did you get this idea from? Perhaps HD5850-7970 owners or someone with an R9 280/280X, not 290/290X users.
This price has never been confirmed. We don't even know if AMD ever intended Fiji to be priced that high. It was always a rumour only. WFCCTech pulled $799 for 980TI out of thin air just like the $850 price for Fiji also sounds like something they made up.
That's hilarious. Do you still not understand how GW works? How can AMD have proper driver support for black box code, behind the scenes PhysX crap no one besides NV knows what it's doing (Project CARS), and CF support that requires a developer patch to get CF to work (Far Cry 4)? I guess it's AMD's fault no matter what, huh?
Over nearly 2 decades of ownership I never once had a desire to go on ATI/NV/AMD/Intel forums to trouble-shoot anything.
Using your logic Intel is crap since I wasn't aware they had an Overclocking section on their website!
Special website? Riiiiiiiiiiiight, that really does make my games work faster and look better.
Price unconfirmed. Your post ignored possibility of air cooled Fiji XT and Fiji Pro cards at some point down the line.
What does that even mean? What promises? Lack of support, you mean like GCN beating both Fermi and Kepler and 980 now having just a 6-12% advantage over 290X in games way down from launch? :awe:
So what point you are making exactly that AMD should just quit making GPUs? I am confused what you are trying to get across here other than insinuating that according to you most people who buy videocards buy a brand. Should AMD re-brand themselves to Apple? I don't get your point. :hmm:
Very few people think that. It's going to take years for AMD to gain back market share and it'll have to come from professional and mobile dGPU spaces first. The desktop GPU space is not growing as fast as these 2 other areas anyway.
@desprado
R290X runs Witcher 3 (GameWorks) great, even better than 970. With HairWorks!
GTA V, also pretty good!
http://www.techspot.com/review/1011-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti/page6.html
What other AAA title this year that Radeons run badly?
Did you run out and buy Radeon hardware because of this? Seems like you are keenly interested in buying the GPU from whatever vendor makes sure their friendly code gets into games and cripples the competitors hardware. BTW the games you listed were fixed on NV hardware because the source code was made available to allow GPU specific fixes and optimization.Did ever seen Nvidia saying bad developers or AMD this or that when Tomb Raider, Hitman, Dirt series were running crap on nvidia and what about AMD fixer ads?
Really people here are really funny.
Just see the facts People who have GTX 980, GTX 970,R9 290 , R9 290X will buy AMD rebrand GPUs and if think that than you should quit posting in Anandtech.
Coming to Fury if it is priced at $850 than it is death before launch so why?
Because AMD is want to be a premium brand which they cannot be because their customer support is ridiculous, no proper driver support for Gameworks games , no special website or a forum to complain or to get troubleshot so why people want to get frustrated and pay $850.
Coming to fact AMD is aiming 2% to 4% of User with fury like Nvidia did with GTX Titan X but the problem is that those of course most of them wont trust AMD because of their recent support ,failed in promises and lack of professionalism.
Company needs a brand value now than ever to sell those GPUs which AMD do not have right now.
Second of all Majority of AMD owners see value and performance so they do not care if it is Nvidia or AMD but most of Nvidia owners are brand loyal so they will never shift to AMD.
If people are thinking that share will shift to AMD in massive than they are wrong.
Am I delusional or is desprado writing like someone else altogether?
What are talking about?
Can you personally purchase AMD Fruy btw i already ordered 2 GTX 980Ti because i know i will get best customer support with upcoming games.
Why i wont spend my money AMD Fury because i know they cannot do anything about Gameworks games which are majority of AAA games and i do not want to go AMD roy or Matt twitter and complain or troll my problems so i only need a special forum where i can post my complain and get a respond ASAP.
Dying light, Project Cars, GTA V MSAA bug,
@desprado
R290X runs Witcher 3 (GameWorks) great, even better than 970. With HairWorks!
What are talking about?
Can you personally purchase AMD Fruy btw i already ordered 2 GTX 980Ti because i know i will get best customer support with upcoming games.
Why i wont spend my money AMD Fury because i know they cannot do anything about Gameworks games which are majority of AAA games and i do not want to go AMD roy or Matt twitter and complain or troll my problems so i only need a special forum where i can post my complain and get a respond ASAP.
Did you run out and buy Radeon hardware because of this? Seems like you are keenly interested in buying the GPU from whatever vendor makes sure their friendly code gets into games and cripples the competitors hardware. BTW the games you listed were fixed on NV hardware because the source code was made available to allow GPU specific fixes and optimization.
"The Fixer" is marketing have you not noticed how companies routinely take pot shot at each other as part of ad campaigns?
@desprado
R290X runs Witcher 3 (GameWorks) great, even better than 970. With HairWorks!
What are talking about?
Can you personally purchase AMD Fruy btw i already ordered 2 GTX 980Ti because i know i will get best customer support with upcoming games.
Why i wont spend my money AMD Fury because i know they cannot do anything about Gameworks games which are majority of AAA games and i do not want to go AMD roy or Matt twitter and complain or troll my problems so i only need a special forum where i can post my complain and get a respond ASAP.
You need to check out forums GTA V MSAA bug is not being sort out by AMD yet.What GTA V MSAA bug? It runs fine for me.
If you enjoy Project Cars, then sure, go NV.
You do have a valid point, multi-GPU on AMD is bad when its a GameWorks title.
You are wasting your time. Based on his post, he sounds like a very hardcore NV customer (or insert any other brand attached customer). I have a friend with whom I played Xbox 360 games in the last 7 years and he said he will never buy PlayStation or Nintendo, ever. He said he likes the Xbox brand and the user interface and it doesn't matter to him if PS4/Wii U may have better games, features, etc. His car purchases, only buys BMWs and Apple too because he says the best selling luxury brands are the automatically the best because they are best selling.
Even if AMD beat NV in every metric, ^ would still buy NV. It's obvious from his posts and his tone.
Did you follow his GPU history? It was something like 680/770 SLI -> 780 SLI -> 780Ti SLI -> 980 SLI -> 980Ti SLI. Even a typical NV customer doesn't upgrade like that. This is pure brand devotion to buy every new thing that's out.
He doesn't care what AMD launches at all, only if AMD's cards force price drops on NV.
AMD as a company should not spend any $ on customers this attached trying to convert them, just like Audi/Porsche/Mercedes shouldn't bother with BMW hardcore fanboys. These companies are better off making better products for brand agnostic users, attractive newer clientelle that is open-minded (GenY/Millenials, etc.) and/or investing into future tech in their other product lines (in AMD's case that is CPUs/APUs/custom designs/smartphone GPU designs, etc.).
What's your solution then? AMD should pay off developers to create GetInTheGameWorks with black box code no one but AMD can optimize, shove millions of lines of DirectCompute code, create artificially insane memory bandwidth requirements (R9 390/390X 384GB/sec, Fiji XT 512GB/sec)?
If for my next card I went NV, I would still wait until GW games drop to $5 because to me GW is a cancer to PC gaming because NV is trying to create a #GeForceMasterRace eco-system inside PC gaming community. You keep blaming AMD for NV bribing developers and shoving proprietary closed source game code that cripples not only AMD but older NV gen cards? Amusing.
You need to check out forums GTA V MSAA bug is not being sort out by AMD yet.
As simple i do not care if Gamework is blackbox and e.t.c but i only do care is that i get to those game at launch.
That is what i am saying Gameworks is not customer problem and it is only AMD problem and their responsibility while they are asking people to buy their product.
So now you will personal attack because i am saying negative about your favorite brand and it shows how much mature you so keep going that way.
It is not my problem because i am paying to a certain brand my hard earn money so i require best support as possible with no excuse or any specific reason and if that brand cannot do that of course i wont buy their product end of story.
Let's not drag this into another GameWorks debate, it just goes in circles. People either accept that GW is fine or don't. I don't and generally don't buy GW titles, except for Witcher 3, that runs great on release!
I wonder what your thoughts are regarding SLI, since you require the best:
It is not my problem because i am paying to a certain brand my hard earn money so i require best support as possible with no excuse or any specific reason and if that brand cannot do that of course i wont buy their product end of story.
I can post alot of that stuff like that but from accurate website and results are totally different because they are not from a fanboy site.
I can post alot of that stuff like that but from accurate website and results are totally different because they are not from a fanboy site.