[WCCF] New AMD Desktop FX-Series Processor is Incoming

[csbin]

A relatively short update. AMD is teasing something that has been overdue for a long time. Red is teasing an AMD FX Series Processor, a desktop one. The teaser features a black box, barely in focus which depicts a new ‘FX Processor’ and the statement that ‘something new is coming’. The teaser is in the form of a tweet posted by @amd_roy.

Now the box art features an FX chip being splashed with water, which is probably homage to the AIO or closed loop water cooler that is included with the chip. Now we have ofcourse no idea about this chip apart from the fact that it is a desktop processor. I would be willing to guess that this is on the FX-9000 series however, and ships with a 220W envelope. As usual here is some unhelpful speculation with probabilities:
The chip could either be:

• 1) The same year old architecture given a refresh and some high clocks thanks to the water cooler. Probability of this is highest at 59% or so.
• 2) Newer architecture and high clocks. Lower probability at 40% or so.
• 3) Something else. 1%

The last FX-9000 chip was the FX-9590 I believe which came around a year ago. This new SKU comes after a year long haitus and is obviously timed to coincide with Devil’s Canyon release. Ofcourse, it is highly unlikely that AMD is able to get an actual efficiency lead over Intel but the lack of AMD CPUs is such that any product will help at this moment. I have a feeling we are going to be hearing about this teaser really soon from official channels so stay tuned. Here is the tweet in question by the way:


Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-fx-series-processor-incoming/#ixzz35N5CDTAl

 

[csbin]

Lets hope this is Steamroller FX

 

[Gikaseixas]

Perhaps a chip with 2 Streamroller modules (Tweaked Kaveri) pushed to the max possible (5.0ghz) cooled with water. Oh, while ignoring efficiency

 

[jpiniero]

Extremely likely a FX version of Warsaw (tweaked Piledriver). Would people buy a two die 16 core FX processor?

 

[SPBHM]

could it just be an overclocked Kaveri!?

even faster Vishera (already at 4.7) makes little sense, and SteamRoller on Am3+ would be unexpected, also the case with 3-4 modules on Fm2+, but it would be my favorite option I guess...

2 Vishera dies on Am3+, is it even possible!?

 

[jpiniero]

could it just be an overclocked Kaveri!?

even faster Vishera (already at 4.7) makes little sense, and SteamRoller on Am3+ would be unexpected, also the case with 3-4 modules on Fm2+, but it would be my favorite option I guess...

2 Vishera dies on Am3+, is it even possible!?

I don't think AMD could justify the development costs for a two die Vishera unless they are also planning on doing Steamroller Opertons. Remember this is going to be a retail only release; no OEM would touch this with a 10 foot pole.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The million dollar question for me is AM3+ or FM2?

 

[NTMBK]

My money is on an overclocked Kaveri with watercooling.

 

[Homeles]

My money is on an overclocked Kaveri with watercooling.

That's what I'm guessing as well.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Extremely likely a FX version of Warsaw (tweaked Piledriver). Would people buy a two die 16 core FX processor?

That would be the straight forward explanation. But I don't think it likely as such a chip would suffer from lowish clocks to control heat. Given that AMD recently announced APU FX line on mobile I think it more likely to "just" be a faster Kaveri...

even faster Vishera (already at 4.7) makes little sense, and SteamRoller on Am3+ would be unexpected, also the case with 3-4 modules on Fm2+, but it would be my favorite option I guess...

The million dollar question for me is AM3+ or FM2?

Personally, I think moving the FX line-up to FM2(+) makes a lot of sense. AM3+ is a 5 year old platform, that suffers from having an old fashion two chip chipset. It also lacks a lot of more modern features, not that mainboard manufactures aren't getting creative with it...

 

[jhu]

Extremely likely a FX version of Warsaw (tweaked Piledriver). Would people buy a two die 16 core FX processor?

I would, depending on the price and socket.

 

[KaRLiToS]

I want AMD to impress me with new CPUs but I doubt we are close of this happenning.

I have low expectations with these incoming FX chips.

 

[mrmt]

It's impressive that people still have expectations after the ifitcanreachthespace thing.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Extremely likely a FX version of Warsaw (tweaked Piledriver). Would people buy a two die 16 core FX processor?

if you're suggesting that AMD is going to release a consumer 16 core, that's extremely unlikely, as there is no compatible consumer platform for such a CPU, Warsaw is G34 (LGA1944)

Granted, it wouldn't be the first time AMD released a consumer oriented FX chip on a server/workstation platform. Before they had s939 ready, they released some FX chips for s940, but that was a pretty unique period.

the real question would be would people buy such a chip if they also had to buy a server/workstation class G34 motherboard. But with Haswell-E coming out soon, and there being little guarantee that this could even compete with current intel HEDT, I don't see it happening.

I think most people are hoping for a 3-4 module steamroller, but there would be a lot more hype from AMD behind this if that were true. I would say the realistic best case scenario would be a tweaked APU that could hit ~5GHz, because we don't need another piledriver option, even thought that seems to be the most likely option.

its pretty impressive how much hype and hope there can be from AMD these days when they really haven't had anything substantial for us in the CPU realm for the better part of a decade, and especially these past couple of years.

 

[DrMrLordX]

That's not entirely fair. Kaveri is an impressive chip when it's supported in software (OpenCL 2.0, HSA), despite its uh . . . eccentricities. Socketed Kabini is pretty slick. If you can get past the thermals and the platform, Vishera has its moments.

And, let's be honest, what is Intel really giving to the desktop enthusiast these days? Look at all the noise over Devil's Canyon and the AA Pentium.

If (and that's a big if) AMD could come out with a 3-4 module Steamroller that could hit clock speeds anywhere near what Vishera hits on a semi-regular basis, it would cause quite a stir. Of course, one must wonder exactly how many technical issues are preventing them from doing just that. One must also wonder why Warsaw is another Piledriver chip, and also not Steamroller.

 

[LarsBars]

The big question for me for this new FX CPU is: steamroller, or still piledriver? Of course we all hope it's steamroller.

Kaveri lost some frequency compared to piledriver, but pretty much made up for it with the IPC improvements by moving to steamroller. Also, steamroller was more space efficient which helped Kaveri fit more gpu on the die. All in all, CPU performance stayed the same, with less power and less frequency.

Or in short: (3.7GHz steamroller ~ 4.0GHz piledriver)

If we take this concept to FX we might wind up with a flagship CPU that runs at a lower frequency (let's call it an FX-8550, let's say it runs stock at 3.7GHz), that roughly performs the same as the current FX-8350, just with a slightly lower frequency. I don't think people who bought the FX-83XX would rush out and buy a CPU that's supposed to perform exactly the same at slightly lower clocks. Basically, steamroller alone, with it's better IPC but lower clocks, wouldn't be a significant performance boost.

So I guess my question is:

Does it make sense that this new FX CPU could in fact be steamroller, because they would need a water cooler to hit higher frequencies (and thus give it a competitive advantage over piledriver)?

Or does it make sense that this new FX CPU is just another piledriver chip, and in order to go to any higher clockspeeds, they needed to throw a water cooler on it? Gosh that just seems pointless to me.

 

[PPB]

It's impressive that people still have expectations after the ifitcanreachthespace thing.

Surely like when you lost all expectations on Intel's iGPs after the VLC playback fiasco /NOT

 

[mizzou]

could this be a reason to actually upgrade my CPU?

 

[Homeles]

It's impressive that people still have expectations after the ifitcanreachthespace thing.

AMD's marketing sucks, but that doesn't really have to do with the products themselves.

 

[escrow4]

The million dollar question for me is AM3+ or FM2?

The million dollar question is why they are not trying to make an enthusiast CPU with a TDP less than 100w that doesn't guzzle power. Where is AMD's 4770? Its 2014. Its getting to the point where AMD will never catch up.

 

[NostaSeronx]

New package and re-release of the FX-9590/FX-9370 with Water Cooling Kits. Also possibility a different brand than Asetek.

 

[mrmt]

AMD's marketing sucks, but that doesn't really have to do with the products themselves.

Marketing isn't only about the advertising you see in websites and newspapers, but about customer profiling, market trends, TAM, the whole deal. Marketing in AMD's case has influence in the definition of the very scope of a given project. AMD failed not only because they engineered a poor product compared to Intel, but because some of the drivers in the scope were dissociated of some very important market trends. So yes, AMD marketing sucks, and because of that so do their products.

That said, the guys advertising for AMD are a rare, special breed. Those guys make AMD products look even worse than they are.

 

[BrightCandle]

I don't even bother to open the reviews for AMD CPUs anymore when they come. The last few I did read the products were so paper launched they never actually arrived and they were far from anything I cared about. I am thoroughly expecting to yawn.

 

[dac7nco]

Extremely likely a FX version of Warsaw (tweaked Piledriver). Would people buy a two die 16 core FX processor?

I would, in a minute.
GPU/Quicksync doesn't do it for me (Archive and Quality). A standalone RDP box with that clocked way, way up would KILL.

That would be my first AMD purchase I made since AM2.

But with Haswell-E coming out soon, and there being little guarantee that this could even compete with current intel HEDT, I don't see it happening.

Nevermind.

 

[shady28]

After googling a bit on this topic...

I'm pretty sure this is just going to be a liquid cooled 5+ Ghz Vishera.

It would be great if I were wrong on that, but I don't think I will be.