wccftech:AMD Fiji XT Leaked For The Third Time On Zauba – 20nm Looks Promising

[n0x1ous]

Would people purchase it though?

Yep - sure would. Bring it on - all 300w of it and the AIO reference cooler. If AIO reference becomes new standard then we can stop worrying about TDP limits and shoot for the moon. 490x and GP200 @ 450w with 240mm AIO.....

tasty....

 

[Black Octagon]

I don't care two hoots about power consumption. Performance yes. Acoustics yes. Power no.

 

[tential]

You see. It's not how it works.
You can have a card that takes 400Watt and still it could be the most efficient card out there.
Huge power consumption doesn't mean inefficiency.

If 390X uses power efficient HBM, which in turn makes it run lean, will this be directly transfered to 380X which will probably sport old GDDR5 (possibly refreshed hawaii?). Because I expect the influence going from bad product to good product when it comes to amd products - there is heavy contra-marketing going on to enshoure that.

I don't care if it's how it works? That's not the point of that part of the post. The point of that part of the post is user perception. Does it matter that the R9 290/x isn't a loud card that throttles? No, because the reference card came out, and that's what people "believe".

What matters isn't how something works, it matters what the market believes. If a 390x uses 400W, it doesn't matter if it's efficient, the market as a whole will look at the card, say "Lol, AMD even more power inefficient than before, thank god I have my GTX 970!"

The truth has NEVER mattered for AMD, only market perception.

Yep - sure would. Bring it on - all 300w of it and the AIO reference cooler. If AIO reference becomes new standard then we can stop worrying about TDP limits and shoot for the moon. 490x and GP200 @ 450w with 240mm AIO.....

tasty....

I really meant that more towards people with Nvidia only rigs. Those with both GPUs probably have no brand preference.

 

[n0x1ous]

I really meant that more towards people with Nvidia only rigs. Those with both GPUs clearly have no brand preference.

Well on that note, I am a "former" nvidia only user

:biggrin:

 

[el etro]

and now it's forcing them out of the desktop market - the one least effected by power requirements.

This goes for the AT golden quotes.

It appears they may be shooting to double performance over Maxwell. This may be Bermuda though which should be watercooled. Fiji will probably aim for efficiency.

First sentence probably yes, but i think Fiji aims to be a sucessor to 280x, performing like the leaks suggests.

 

[tential]

:biggrin:

Well on that note, I am a "former" nvidia only user

:biggrin:

I see, I guess enthusiasts on here have bigger power supplies than I thought as well. So much for my 390x CF dream. Guess that one is done.
I really thought both GPU manufacturers would go the efficiency route and mean that my 720 W PSU would only become better as time went on. I guess not.

 

[Despoiler]

Yep - sure would. Bring it on - all 300w of it and the AIO reference cooler. If AIO reference becomes new standard then we can stop worrying about TDP limits and shoot for the moon. 490x and GP200 @ 450w with 240mm AIO.....

tasty....

I don't think either company is going to go over 2 8 pin connectors as a norm. That being said I don't drive a Toyota Prius so why would I want Nvidia's Prius of a GPU? AMD needs to bring it and retake the performance crown in a big way. AIO cooling should allow them to do in a relatively quiet fashion too. I have high hopes on this next GPU from AMD. Relying on WCCFTech for good information historically hasn't been a good bet.

 

[n0x1ous]

I see, I guess enthusiasts on here have bigger power supplies than I thought as well. So much for my 390x CF dream. Guess that one is done.
I really thought both GPU manufacturers would go the efficiency route and mean that my 720 W PSU would only become better as time went on. I guess not.

Corsair getting into the 1500w game in 2014 and there are more 1600w options these days too. Ive been rocking an HX1000 for like 6 years now.....

In all seriousness though, I dont really expect either of them to go over 300w on single gpu cards, but I dont think im alone when i say i dont care if they do as long as the requisite performance comes with it.

Then again, with how long we are stuck on nodes these days - maybe its not so far fetched...

 

[el etro]

AT pointed out that 290X had an unofficial 300W. That makes it plausible for 390X to have an unofficial 300W TDP as well. The linked in profile also indicates the class type that 390X would be -- high end. It might not mean that it will actually use 300W in games.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-review

IF by some chance AMD did decide to go 28mm 550mm2 300W + Hybrid WC for the desktop, they probably weighed in the pros and cons of releasing such a power hungry card after the poor PR associated with 7970/290X. Perhaps, if true, this does signify that they are taking a huge risk and going for the single GPU performance crown, something they haven't done since X1950XTX.

This. But i bet 390x will be a damn big GPU, i expect Bermuda ends consuming more than 290x, but getting closer to 295x2 performance. Over 550mm² of GPU plus HBM stacks. Made for enthusiast and professional markets.

 

[scooterlibby]

Hmmm...if the 390x comes out and can beat a Nvidia GTX 690 (which I have), I may try it out. My 690 is starting to chug at 2560x1440. It doesn't appear like there's any new flagship coming from Nvidia in the next few months, although I certainly could be wrong.

 

[scooterlibby]

Also, for the record, as someone who likes high end GPU's and doesn't have a dog in the red/green fight, I really don't care much at all about power consumption. A 300w card would be powered and cooled just fine in my system and I'd eat any marginal electricity costs.

 

[Rvenger]

Don't you think that a 390x at 300W is a lot?
I can see a LOT of people disqualifying the card, irregardless of performance, due to the powerdraw.

It'd require many people to upgrade their PSUs (outside of the heavy enthusiast forum users) in order to run such a card.

It'd be quite interesting to see what would happen if AMD went all in on performance on the desktop 390x while had Fiji aiming at efficiency for a 380x.



Would people purchase it though? I mean rather, would Nvidia owners here currently seriously consider a 300W single GPU capable of 4k gaming that's a MASSIVE increase over their GTX 970/980? Whether or not we even have 4K monitors is irrelevant even, with VSR/DSR.

Could this be enough for AMD to gain the efficiency, and GPU crown in one fell swoop? Or will it massively backfire on them with high end users refusing to use a massive power draw card like that, and the efficiency card suffering due to poor marketing (lets be real it's a possibility) and suffering because the high end card has a massive power draw, so by association the mid range card has poor efficiency as well?

What if that 300w sku was at least 90% of the performance of SLI 970s?

Highly unlikely but just a thought if it actually came true. 300w TDP will be a true enthusiast card which is hard to come by these days. Why use 4 way crossfire when you only need 2?

 

[III-V]

Since BF4 was a big game at that time, and people continued to focus on reference card reviews only, NV never lost momentum with Kepler.

Reference cards really are the only ones that matter, though, for the exact reason you just pointed out -- people only focus on those. For good reason too -- there are way too many non-reference designs to keep track of. The vast majority of people simply aren't going to bother... and the people that even pay attention to GPU performance anyway is already a small fraction of the market. It is absolutely critical to have the best reference design feasible.

AMD never threw GCN under the bus

That's a pro for AMD? That they've hardly updated their architecture?

300W? Please let that be a typo. I thought HBM was meant to drop power consumption, not completely blow it up.

It's much the same as Skylake being rated as 95W max, or Broadwell-E being rated at 140W -- they're extremely conservative estimates, since the final specifications have not been determined.

I don't care two hoots about power consumption. Performance yes. Acoustics yes. Power no.

"Acoustics" are very much determined by power consumption.

 

[james1701]

I was planning on going team green this time around but since AMD is giving us PLP eyefinity on a hardware level I think I will be staying put.

Who am I kidding, a card that big, give me two of them and shut up and take my money!

 

[Gloomy]

That's a pro for AMD? That they've hardly updated their architecture?

It's a pro for AMD that they haven't had to. GCN is increasing its performance relative to Kepler in most games released in 2014.

This means Kepler was a shortsighted design while GCN was forward-thinking and modern.

 

[Silverforce11]

Tonga resolves the Tessellation performance for GCN, looking at [H]'s review of FC4 Godrays, it barely takes a hit at all.

Definitely a good case for major improvements in GCN 2, which should be a big leap compared to Tahiti -> Tonga revisions..

 

[exar333]

It's a pro for AMD that they haven't had to. GCN is increasing its performance relative to Kepler in most games released in 2014.

This means Kepler was a shortsighted design while GCN was forward-thinking and modern.

Kepler is old news. The new Maxwell overlord has been welcomed many months ago.

 

[cmdrdredd]

It's a pro for AMD that they haven't had to. GCN is increasing its performance relative to Kepler in most games released in 2014.

This means Kepler was a shortsighted design while GCN was forward-thinking and modern.

Haven't had to? The GTX780ti has beat AMD for nearly a year previous to the release of Maxwell. People claim that a GTX980 is a midrange part but that doesn't matter when it's beating AMD. I think it's going to be tough for AMD to climb out of the hole at this point.

 

[III-V]

It's a pro for AMD that they haven't had to. GCN is increasing its performance relative to Kepler in most games released in 2014.

This means Kepler was a shortsighted design while GCN was forward-thinking and modern.

They're hemorrhaging market share. How's that for forward thinking?

 

[rgallant]

"People claim that a GTX980 is a midrange part but that doesn't matter when it's beating AMD."

your right and amd should do the same thing.

-remove 2 bil of the trannys from a 290x
-rework the ack. for better power gating.
-have it clocked for a 1400mhz boost on the ref. out of the box [same\better process as nv]
-have it oc to 1600
-price it at $300.00 us
and we would have a new king for little r & d.

-970-980 are great cards but if they did not oc clock very very high they would be mid. range imo

 

[cmdrdredd]

"People claim that a GTX980 is a midrange part but that doesn't matter when it's beating AMD."

your right and amd should do the same thing.

-remove 2 bil of the trannys from a 290x
-rework the ack. for better power gating.
-have it clocked for a 1400mhz boost on the ref. out of the box [same\better process as nv]
-have it oc to 1600
-price it at $300.00 us
and we would have a new king for little r & d.

-970-980 are great cards but if they did not oc clock very very high they would be mid. range imo

Even at stock they are doing quite well in the benchmarks against other cards in stock configuration. Honestly I see nothing wrong with releasing a card that competes against the best the competition has to offer and it's not the absolute fastest card you can produce. I only care about the performance, not the r&D and process and all that jazz. So give me a card that outperforms the rest and I'll look at it when it's time to think about upgrading.

 

[HurleyBird]

This means Kepler was a shortsighted design while GCN was forward-thinking and modern.

It proves that if you have your architecture in the two consoles that matter, devs will obviously optimize for it.

You could argue that GCN is more forward-thinking for compute workloads though.

 

[Lepton87]

Hmmm...if the 390x comes out and can beat a Nvidia GTX 690 (which I have), I may try it out. My 690 is starting to chug at 2560x1440. It doesn't appear like there's any new flagship coming from Nvidia in the next few months, although I certainly could be wrong.

980 beats your 690, and 780Ti is practically on par. If it can't beat 690 it would be trash.

It's a pro for AMD that they haven't had to. GCN is increasing its performance relative to Kepler in most games released in 2014.

This means Kepler was a shortsighted design while GCN was forward-thinking and modern.

Or NV stopped working on Kepler drivers but it is mostly GK104 that's getting relatively weaker, GK110 holds a bit better.

 

[Black Octagon]

"Acoustics" are very much determined by power consumption.

I was alluding to the quality of the reference cooler, which to be honest has left something to be desired lately. Something being quiet operation

 

[dacostafilipe]

This means Kepler was a shortsighted design while GCN was forward-thinking and modern.

Funny part, if you take a look at Maxwell's structure, you will see a lot of GCN in there.