[wccftech] Another leaked Kepler performance slide 760/770/780/790...

[jackstar7]

Unless it comes with a release date my interest remains low.

C'mon Monday...

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Looks photoshopped to me.

 

[Despoiler]

Guys those are clearly the amount of wood screws gained compared to the last generation.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Unrealistic expectations in that slide. How could anything 1 gen newer be over 100% faster than last gen flagship. That hasn't happened in a long time.

I believe these are certainly optimistic expectations, however if we look at some of the most GPU limited benchmarks, the GTX480 did nearly double the GTX285.

AMD was quite conservative with both architecture and clockrates with the 7900s, if nVidia goes all out I really wouldn't be surprised if they come close to doubling GTX580 performance in the more GPU dependent and highly scalable titles like BF3. Granted, these numbers suggest more than double by a comfortable margin, so it is certainly fishy when considering you are right in that we haven't had a comfortable doubling of performance in forever.

 

[Kevin_11]

Everything WCCF has ever posted has turned out fake. He's fishing for page hits, nothing more nothing less.

I think the first time he pulled a graph that an enthusiast made up and bragged about being fake. Keep it classy, WCCF!

Can you name one thing they posted which turned out to be fake?

I've been an avid follower of WCCFtech.com, The Bulldozer leaks they posted turned out 100% accurate, Specs on AMD's HD7000 Series were also true.

Sure the Kepler Performance numbers seem a bit too high in that chart but look at the performance leap 400 Series took over 200, The GTX480 as some other guy stated was twice as fast as a GTX 285.

Nvidia already has samples of 28nm chips working in their labs.

Nvidia Kepler 28nm samples in house - Fudzilla

The naming scheme still ain't official since some sites report the GT-600 Branding, Hopefully that would be settled by some kind of announcement at CES 2012.

The GTR 785 looks to be a dual chip card based on two mid end cores just like EVGA 560Ti Dual, The 760 seems about right since it has 500+ Cores and might run at 1Ghz. Pricing would be higher than AMD's competitors, $600+ for GTX780 if the performance is accurate.

Oh and many of you're wondering why PhysX has to be enabled in a Non-PhysX title (Battlefield 3). It was manually enabled from Nvidia Control Panel like you can see in the other chart. Performance takes a minor hit if you disable the PPU even if an app doesn't utilize PhysX, Tested it out myself in Uningine Heaven and two other benchmarks.

 

[maddie]

Not saying it's legit, but didn't the 5870 go over 2x the performance of the 4870x2?

Didn't the 480/580 go over 2x the performance of the 295?


AMD may not have been able to do it with the 7970, but that doesn't rule out Nvidia being able to - just cause - legit slide or not.

I think you mean 5870 vs 4870 & 480/580 vs 285.

 

[Vesku]

If they stick with their maximum feasible die size strategy then I could imagine 50-80% overall improvement from the 580 in certain games, especially if they bin for extra high clocks. But yeah, it would take more than some slides to make me think they will be delivering 100+% improvement on the 580.

 

[IonusX]

Here is a current graph they have up on geforce.com

Says gpu physx enabled, even though the test used (gpu) has none.


However the suspect leaked one doesn't say Intel which would be a problem I'd think... But then it's leaked so it may not be a meant for public slide, maybe an internal/share holder only?

and by the time we see it (end of q2) amd will be arming the hd 8000 series of start of q3.. aint life wonderful.. get amd now.. or get nvidia later.. by which time amd will have a new lineup on its way. nvidia atm has no cards to play beyond the 560ti (that are worth buying) especially with the 7970 debuting in 2 days on store shelves. and in the event u live in asia, the middle east or russia nvidia has nothing worth buying atm hoho
these are lofty goals at best, even if their met amd will have more than an effective counter following nvidia's every move.
this contest was over the day that fermi, kepler and tesla were destined to go consumer graphics.. bad move nvidia.. now your trapped in a situation where everyone and their dog will have a competitor product when u arrive on the scene.. and its only going to get worse.

ten bucks they also have heat problems.. as nvidia's track record has shown.. dropping die sizes at the fab. often results in gen 1 heat, power or noise problems.. sometimes explosions

 

[Ajay]

Unless it comes with a release date my interest remains low.

C'mon Monday...

+1. With NV holding its cards so close to it's vest, the rumor mill is getting annoying!

 

[96Firebird]

+1. With NV holding its cards so close to it's vest, the rumor mill is getting annoying!

This is how Nvidia always does it, unless they are presenting things themselves (which could mean delays). Remembering the GTX 580 release, it came as a total surprise to most. In my opinion, no news is good news.

 

[BrightCandle]

If NVidia actually showed something useful Monday to make the 7970 less attractive then they might gain themselves some customers (ie me). But we all know how this works, its unlikely they will give actual figures, its just too early in the process for them to do anything more than guess without real hardware and software in hand.

I want the fastest single core card you can get and boy do those graphs look good, but too many lies around to know if its actually even close to true. We wont know until that 785 is delivered, and I don't see a price or wattage alongside it which kind of matters!

 

[-Slacker-]

Gtr 785?

That's the sort of stuff I'd make up if I was doing a parody article

 

[Eisenstein]

Guys keep in mind that performance is in BF3 at high res, ultra textures + 4xmsaa. That is memory hog. so it will bottleneck GTX 580/590 1.5 gb easy

other bench show closer results...

 

[Arkadrel]

@Eisenstein

going from a 580's 40fps -> 73fps ish, is like a 80% gain in performance.

Will a 780 be 80% faster than the 580?

the 580 is ~520mm^2 and listed at 244TPD
(Techpowerup has it at peak=226watts, Max = 329watts)

Even with 28nm being a decent sized jump from 40nm, theres just no way, it can give ~80% increase in performance, and stay under 300watts (I think there are legal reasons or some such, to stay under 300watts, to get a little sticker that says certified something or another, which matters to OEM's).

And thats not even for the top of the line chip... thats just the 780, apperntly theres a 785 and 790.



Non of the graphs seem believable to me.... Hope Im wrong, that would def. push down prices of AMD's 7970 though.


*edit:

zoom in on any of the graphs (with the 7xx cards) and you ll see its a horrible photoshop job.
Not sure what the word for it is, but their pixels out of place ect, it looks like a someone just threw it together quick, not careing about how it looked when shown in bigger size's (which real slides would)
(they would get blown up, in size by a projector, and youd expect quality to be okay).

 

[96Firebird]

@Eisenstein

going from a 580's 40fps -> 73fps ish, is like a 80% gain in performance.

Will a 780 be 80% faster than the 580?

the 580 is ~520mm^2 and listed at 244TPD
(Techpowerup has it at peak=226watts, Max = 329watts)

Even with 28nm being a decent sized jump from 40nm, theres just no way, it can give ~80% increase in performance, and stay under 300watts. And thats not even for the top of the line chip... thats just the 780, apperntly theres a 785 and 790.

Non of the graphs seem believable to me.... Hope Im wrong, that would def. push down prices of AMD's 7970 though.

Like he said in his post, there is probably a bottleneck with only 1.5GB running at that resolution and AA level. Very well could see that much improvement if the bottleneck is taken away...

 

[Ajay]

Well, I'm an admitted nvidiot. I've bought NV for so long, I'm used to their drivers, control panels etc. and don't feel like changing. I hope they have something twice as fast as my GTX 460 for $200-300 by June, because I plan to be upgrading by then, that would be nice, but I'll just have to wait and see.

 

[MrTeal]

Well, there's a few possibilities here:
1. The slides are accurate, and the rumors of a end Q1 release are true.
2. The slides are BS, and the rumors of a end Q1 release are true.
3. The slides are true, but the release is way in the future.

If #1 was true, this would be exactly the situation that you would have early cards demoed for the major sites in a hotel suite just before CES. Yes it might make it difficult to sell 580s, but those will be a tough sell anyway. What happens to the sales of the HD7970 when Anand and Toms show hands-on test results where the GTR780 has greater than 100% gains in BF3 over the GTX580?

If NVIDIA had hardware in house with this kind of performance that was ready to launch in less than 3 months, they would be doing everything possible to spoil AMD's party.

 

[railven]

Well, there's a few possibilities here:
1. The slides are accurate, and the rumors of a end Q1 release are true.
2. The slides are BS, and the rumors of a end Q1 release are true.
3. The slides are true, but the release is way in the future.

If #1 was true, this would be exactly the situation that you would have early cards demoed for the major sites in a hotel suite just before CES. Yes it might make it difficult to sell 580s, but those will be a tough sell anyway. What happens to the sales of the HD7970 when Anand and Toms show hands-on test results where the GTR780 has greater than 100% gains in BF3 over the GTX580?

If NVIDIA had hardware in house with this kind of performance that was ready to launch in less than 3 months, they would be doing everything possible to spoil AMD's party.

Why can't it be:

#4 the slides are BS and the release is still far off?

I'm looking to upgrade a GTX 460 SC for a GTX 580 (if prices drop far enough) or a GTX 570, but better if the GTX 670/770 is out and it's as fast as a GTX 580 but in the price bracket of the current GTX 570.

Eitherway, new GPUs in my house soon enough

 

[Arzachel]

and by the time we see it (end of q2) amd will be arming the hd 8000 series of start of q3.. aint life wonderful.

What.

A 7980 or somesuch might be released, I might be missunderstanding what you meant with arming, but there is no chance in hell, that the 8XXX series are going to be taped out, much less released before q4.

Also, expecting 100% improvement over the 4XX/5XX series is plain insanity. Nvidia has to leave a TDP reserve, so a Kepler refresh can have a meaningful performance increase on the same process, otherwise they are stuck on the same product for 2.5+ years! Depending on how much more efficient Kepler is, 20-25% over the 7970 might already be pushing the TDP too far.

 

[blackened23]

Can you name one thing they posted which turned out to be fake?

I've been an avid follower of WCCFtech.com, The Bulldozer leaks they posted turned out 100% accurate, Specs on AMD's HD7000 Series were also true.

Sure the Kepler Performance numbers seem a bit too high in that chart but look at the performance leap 400 Series took over 200, The GTX480 as some other guy stated was twice as fast as a GTX 285.

Nvidia already has samples of 28nm chips working in their labs.

Nvidia Kepler 28nm samples in house - Fudzilla

The naming scheme still ain't official since some sites report the GT-600 Branding, Hopefully that would be settled by some kind of announcement at CES 2012.

The GTR 785 looks to be a dual chip card based on two mid end cores just like EVGA 560Ti Dual, The 760 seems about right since it has 500+ Cores and might run at 1Ghz. Pricing would be higher than AMD's competitors, $600+ for GTX780 if the performance is accurate.

Oh and many of you're wondering why PhysX has to be enabled in a Non-PhysX title (Battlefield 3). It was manually enabled from Nvidia Control Panel like you can see in the other chart. Performance takes a minor hit if you disable the PPU even if an app doesn't utilize PhysX, Tested it out myself in Uningine Heaven and two other benchmarks.

WCCFtech's "history" of being wrong:

http://wccftech.com/amds-generation-radeon-hd-7970-gpus-performance-comparable-hd-6990/

The HD 7970/7950 are expected to use the XDR2 memory which would provide double the memory bandwidth when compared to GDDR5, 6Gbit/s (GDDR5) Vs 12.8Gbit/s (XDR2) while reducing the total power consumption to nearly 30%, This means that the card would not only perform better but also feature better Power/Thermal efficiency then previous HD 6000 Series cores.

Wrong

More:
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-hd-7970-tahiti-xt-benchmarks-leaked/
Following are specifications of the Radeon HD 7970:

- PCI-Express 3.0
- GPU: 2048 shader processors @ 1000MHz, 28nm TSMC
- Memory: 3GB GDDR5 (384-bit)
- Texture units: 128
- ROPs: 64
- Power consumption: 190W – 210W TDP

Wrong again
http://wccftech.com/amd-7970-images-surface-online/
These are the first pictures of the Radeon HD7970 to surface on the internet in detail. The final production PCB on the 7970 will be in an all black color hence this is proven to be an engineering sample. The photo depicts two 6 pin connectors as compared to earlier rumored 8 pin connectors on the card’s PCB.

The 7970 utilizes a digital-PWN design that has single-phase PWM chokes, and regulators made by Volterra. There are also 5+1+1 Phase VRM’s along with analog power domains.

WRONG

 

[blackened23]

Fudzilla: Bulldozer outpaces Sandy Bridge in benchmarks

http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/23381-bulldozer-performance-figures-are-in

ROFLROLFROFLROFL.

If you seriously think fudzilla is a good source for anything you haven't been around long enough. They have a long history of posting stupid crap to get page hits.

 

[Arkadrel]

#4 the slides are BS and the release is still far off?

^ most likely candidate

 

[Don Karnage]

I like it but i'm still not going to wait to buy it. Like usual you're late Nvidia

 

[blastingcap]

I like it but i'm still not going to wait to buy it. Like usual you're late Nvidia

"Like usual"?

 

[VulgarDisplay]

The only thing that wills top me from buying the 7970 is nvidia saying their flagslhip is going to be out in less than 2 months. I've had 5 nvidia cards and one AMD, and it's mainly been about timing for my upgrades. I do see the 7970 as being able to provide all the performance I need for quite a long time so I see no need to wait for nvidia.