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Lonyo

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The only thing that wills top me from buying the 7970 is nvidia saying their flagslhip is going to be out in less than 2 months. I've had 5 nvidia cards and one AMD, and it's mainly been about timing for my upgrades. I do see the 7970 as being able to provide all the performance I need for quite a long time so I see no need to wait for nvidia.

I'm wondering whether missing the Ivybridge drop date might hurt, if they do miss it.
I know I'm going to buy whatever is in my budget when IB hits, if NV isn't released (at least performance figures, even if not cards) at that time then I'm probably not going to wait.

Hopefully they will release something by the time IB rolls around, even if it's only a "paper launch" or some official preview/performance figures.
 

VulgarDisplay

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Does anyone know if Ivy Bridge is expected to up the available multiplier from Sandy Bridge? It seems like a few of the reviewers are becoming CPU limited when running these new GPU's in crossfire.
 

Lonyo

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Does anyone know if Ivy Bridge is expected to up the available multiplier from Sandy Bridge? It seems like a few of the reviewers are becoming CPU limited when running these new GPU's in crossfire.

It does, but I can't remember what the new top is, something 60 or up I believe though, so 6GHz+.
Check in the CPU forum though
 

Don Karnage

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Does anyone know if Ivy Bridge is expected to up the available multiplier from Sandy Bridge? It seems like a few of the reviewers are becoming CPU limited when running these new GPU's in crossfire.

Ivy Bridge will have a 61X multi but won't fare any better then SBE. We're waiting on the 8 core SBE Xeon's to take full advantage of 3-4 7970's.

I'd even venture to say that a 2600K would bottleneck 3 7970's
 

BallaTheFeared

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Ivy Bridge will have a 61X multi but won't fare any better then SBE. We're waiting on the 8 core SBE Xeon's to take full advantage of 3-4 7970's.

I'd even venture to say that a 2600K would bottleneck 3 7970's

SB fairs better than SBE on average, why wouldn't IB? lol.

My i5-2500k can bottleneck my 470s, so I'd assume three 7970s at 1080p would have problems despite AMD doing better with "bottlenecking" cpus.
 

Don Karnage

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SB fairs better than SBE on average, why wouldn't IB? lol.

How does SB fare better then SBE when it comes to benchmarking? More lanes, More cores and lets not forget PCIE 3.0. 7970's are going to love 1155's X8 slots
 
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VulgarDisplay

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When did they say that? I haven't seen anything about the 790 anywhere being close to production

I didn't say they said that I meant that the only thing that could stop me from upgrading to a 7970 would be Nvidia releasing news that says their new GPU's will be out in less than 2 months.
 

Don Karnage

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I didn't say they said that I meant that the only thing that could stop me from upgrading to a 7970 would be Nvidia releasing news that says their new GPU's will be out in less than 2 months.

My bad.

I just hope Kepler is here before June
 

Eugene86

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and by the time we see it (end of q2) amd will be arming the hd 8000 series of start of q3.. aint life wonderful.. get amd now.. or get nvidia later.. by which time amd will have a new lineup on its way. nvidia atm has no cards to play beyond the 560ti (that are worth buying) especially with the 7970 debuting in 2 days on store shelves. and in the event u live in asia, the middle east or russia nvidia has nothing worth buying atm hoho
these are lofty goals at best, even if their met amd will have more than an effective counter following nvidia's every move.
this contest was over the day that fermi, kepler and tesla were destined to go consumer graphics.. bad move nvidia.. now your trapped in a situation where everyone and their dog will have a competitor product when u arrive on the scene.. and its only going to get worse.

ten bucks they also have heat problems.. as nvidia's track record has shown.. dropping die sizes at the fab. often results in gen 1 heat, power or noise problems.. sometimes explosions

Cool story bro.

Except that nvidia still maintains the larger portion of market share and will continue to do so, just like it always has.

And the only card that had "heat problems" was the 480, and even that's arguable.
And explosions? AMD fanboys just get stupider every generation
 

IonusX

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Cool story bro.

Except that nvidia still maintains the larger portion of market share and will continue to do so, just like it always has.

And the only card that had "heat problems" was the 480, and even that's arguable.
And explosions? AMD fanboys just get stupider every generation
1) 470 and 465 also had pretty bad heat and other than the 460 there were NO good cards in fermi 1.0 and in refresh they epic failed south of the gtx 560 (no ti(wtf is up with their naming scheme trying to bring back the xt, gtx , etc. wars??))
2) the gtx 590 with the drivers on the CD u get it with can cause it to pop (source is geeks3d for this one)
3) and while amd doesn't have control of the market share this is true. but its certainly getting closer and closer each time. the last time nvidia missed a launch season/delayed launch (gtx 400) nvidia's market share plummeted a good 12% and its basically sat at about 40amd-60nvidia ever since (this is strictly video cards, chipsets n such withheld where nvidia has no control)

nvidia's on the back foot and needs to basically make Kepler capable of walking on water or raise the dead if it wants to stop amd from stealing another 12 or more % of the market and placing them in the MINORITY.
so tegra and ion are jokes, n-force is canned, their delaying yet again which will cost them huge losses in market control. and making outlandish claims.

hmm where have i seen this before.. wasnt it the gtx 285 vs gtx 480 benchmarks.. and that turned out sooo well :\
class is in session "bro"..
 
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BallaTheFeared

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Ease up there buddy, you've hurt my ginger feelings saying the 470 and 480 were bad. It's a good thing I actually know different otherwise I may have cried a bit.
 

IonusX

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Ease up there buddy, you've hurt my ginger feelings saying the 470 and 480 were bad. It's a good thing I actually know different otherwise I may have cried a bit.

they were both were noisy, power drinking, fire breathing demon cards. and the 465 was a performance JOKE. if you dont mind those things and say have outstanding cooling and a nice 900 watt psu, and some headphones to drown out the noise i guess its okay though..
if i recall correctly there was only like 5 psu's rated for tri-sli 470's/480's
hahahaha
 

toyota

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Ease up there buddy, you've hurt my ginger feelings saying the 470 and 480 were bad. It's a good thing I actually know different otherwise I may have cried a bit.
facts are facts and the gtx480/470/465 were loud, hot and power hungry when released. as usual though some people will buy anything no matter what so Nvidia had no trouble selling them.
 

BallaTheFeared

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You can say they had bad reference cooling, but calling them bad cards is just a bit much.

They held up much better than AMD's 5xxx series in DX11, not even considering titles with moderate amounts of tessellation where they don't even stand a chance.
 

Awkward

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Cool story bro.

Except that nvidia still maintains the larger portion of market share and will continue to do so, just like it always has.

And the only card that had "heat problems" was the 480, and even that's arguable.
And explosions? AMD fanboys just get stupider every generation
lol...

465/470/480 were inefficient cards, period. Their 5xx series counterparts were the products they were supposed to be all along.
 

toyota

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You can say they had bad reference cooling, but calling them bad cards is just a bit much.

They held up much better than AMD's 5xxx series in DX11, not even considering titles with moderate amounts of tessellation where they don't even stand a chance.
running hot, being loud and consuming a lot of power are certainly three things that make a card bad in my book.
 

Kevin_11

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WCCFtech's "history" of being wrong:

http://wccftech.com/amds-generation-radeon-hd-7970-gpus-performance-comparable-hd-6990/

The HD 7970/7950 are expected to use the XDR2 memory which would provide double the memory bandwidth when compared to GDDR5, 6Gbit/s (GDDR5) Vs 12.8Gbit/s (XDR2) while reducing the total power consumption to nearly 30%, This means that the card would not only perform better but also feature better Power/Thermal efficiency then previous HD 6000 Series cores.

XDR2 was previously confirmed by AMD Radeon's only functional Twitter Account here.




Wrong

More:
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-hd-7970-tahiti-xt-benchmarks-leaked/
Following are specifications of the Radeon HD 7970:

- PCI-Express 3.0
- GPU: 2048 shader processors @ 1000MHz, 28nm TSMC
- Memory: 3GB GDDR5 (384-bit)
- Texture units: 128
- ROPs: 64
- Power consumption: 190W – 210W TDP






That's a 10% perform difference compared to HD6990 which can be overcome by a minor overclock. WCCFtech didn't say that the performance was equivalent to the HD6990, Its comparable.

Sapphire's planning to launch their Atomic RX/WC series cards with 6GB memory and 1335Mhz Clock speeds which will most likely perform near the 699 0 levels.

Wrong again
http://wccftech.com/amd-7970-images-surface-online/
These are the first pictures of the Radeon HD7970 to surface on the internet in detail. The final production PCB on the 7970 will be in an all black color hence this is proven to be an engineering sample. The photo depicts two 6 pin connectors as compared to earlier rumored 8 pin connectors on the card’s PCB.

The 7970 utilizes a digital-PWN design that has single-phase PWM chokes, and regulators made by Volterra. There are also 5+1+1 Phase VRM’s along with analog power domains.


WRONG

I don't see anything wrong with this post. The specs are the same as of a reference HD7970 model, Only thing different in the pictures is the 2 x 6 pin connectors and a Red PCB. That's because the card they pictured was in Engineering Phase, Not the retail variant.
 

BallaTheFeared

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This is a conversation for another thread, but the 570 wasn't much of an improvement over the 470/480, slightly better performance per watt, but nothing to write home about. It did however feature a much better reference cooler "vapor chamber" which was much better than the 470 reference which was just direct contact heatpipes. In the end we're talking years of use for you to notice any real different at the meter.

I don't use the Intel stock cooler, and I don't use the gpu stock cooler though, so my opinion and experience would be different than people who live and die on reference air.


@Awkward because it's with the gpuz limiter bypass.




Remember poorer reference cooler = higher temps = higher power draw.
 
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blackened23

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I'll meet you halfway and say yes, the GTX 480 was a good card if you could find a way to make the shortcomings work for you. (heat, noise) That said, the card just used way too much power - 450W for a single card is ridiculous. IIRC the Fermi wasn't too well received at launch, despite the stellar performance.....Of course the 5xx series fixed all of those issues. It is everything the 4xx should have been.
 
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