[ WccfTech ] ASUS Radeon R9 295X2 8 GB ‘Vesuvius’ Retail Model Spotted

[Jacky60]

The price is $1499 which is way more than I'm prepared to pay.





Using asterisks for post profane phases are not allowed either.

Using is was unnecessary to make your point.

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[TreVader]

The price is $1499 which is way more than I'm prepared to pay.

It's not ideal, but if you consider than 2 780tis are basically $1500 with tax and perform some 15-30% worse than this single card its still a great deal.


People pay $200 (60%) more for a $500 GTX 780 over a 770 for some 30% performance, how is this card, at 100% more performance, a bad deal at all?

 

[krumme]

What chart?

 

[96Firebird]

It's not ideal, but if you consider than 2 780tis are basically $1500 with tax and perform some 15-30% worse than this single card its still a great deal.

Where are you pulling this from?

 

[Keysplayr]

Where are you pulling this from?

Maybe he dreamt it because I can't find anything that states what he just did.

 

[TreVader]

Where are you pulling this from?

Benchmarks from literally anywhere reputable. 290X CF already beats 780ti SLI, and the 295x2 beats 290X CF by some 15%.

Edit: spare you some time http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1057?vs=1073

 

[Attic]

Crossfire is improved on Hawaii (290/290x).

XDMA: Improving Crossfire

Being first utilized on Hawaii, XDMA is the final solution to AMD’s frame pacing woes, and in doing so it is redefining how Crossfire is implemented on 290X and future cards. Specifically, AMD is forgoing the Crossfire Bridge Interconnect (CFBI) entirely and moving all inter-GPU communication over the PCIe bus, with XDMA being the hardware engine that makes this both practical and efficient.

...

I've generally come across the 290x beating 780ti in xfire vs sli setups.

The equalilzer is the OC potential of the 780ti which is dependent on the review. I'd expect 780ti to more than close the gap when OC's are pushed.

 

[96Firebird]

How do you know the 295x2 is faster than 290X Crossfire?

Let me answer this for you... you don't.

Let's use the only number that we know so far, 3DMark Firestrike Performance test. According to the AMD slide posted here, the 295x2 is about 16,000.

Now, Googling "780 Ti SLI Firestrike", first result is from Guru3d. Looking at that benchmark, The 780 Ti SLI result is... 16,149! 290X Crossfire is nearly the same, coming in at 16,030. For all intents and purposes, equal. Looking at the rest of the results, 780 Ti SLI and 290X Crossfire seem to be on par with each other, with each getting a few wins and close enough ties. 4K favors the 290X Crossfire, however.

Soak it all in and let me know what you think.

 

[Attic]

There was a leaked slide that showed the 295 handily beating the 290x xfire. If legit, a few in the thread though it was likely the 290x was throttling.

 

[96Firebird]

There was a leaked slide that showed the 295 handily beating the 290x xfire. If legit, a few in the thread though it was likely the 290x was throttling.

Do you have a link to this? I haven't seen it...

Edit - I found some, but they still don't back up what TreVader thinks...

Here they are about even. 295x2 is 2% faster @ 1440p, 4% faster @ 4K.

Edit again - Oh I think I see what you are saying. So he used the numbers from the above benchmark, but only for the 295x2 and the 290X Crossfire. That is where he got his 15% from. Then, instead of using the 780 Ti SLI numbers from that same benchmark, he used a different one to back up his claim.

Seems it would be logical to use the numbers from the same benchmark, since the 780 Ti SLI is there...

 

[Attic]

Do you have a link to this? I haven't seen it...

Edit - I found some, but they still don't back up what TreVader thinks...

Here they are about even. 295x2 is 2% faster @ 1440p, 4% faster @ 4K.

Edit again - Oh I think I see what you are saying. So he used the numbers from the above benchmark, but only for the 295x2 and the 290X Crossfire. That is where he got his 15% from. Then, instead of using the 780 Ti SLI numbers from that same benchmark, he used a different one to back up his claim.

Seems it would be logical to use the numbers from the same benchmark, since the 780 Ti SLI is there...

yea, those are the numbers showing the gap from the 295 to the 290x xfire.

Only a few more days till we get a much better look at what it will do when put through the gauntlet.

 

[3DVagabond]

We need to remember when talking crossfire and sli numbers throttling is in the equation for the air cooled cards. Almost nobody actually lets the cards run until their temps, and clocks, stabilize. I know there are plenty of sites who claim they do, but if you examine their results they are giving you numbers at max boost, especially the O/C'd numbers.

I will wait for [H]'s numbers, as they run the cards for hours, and Hardware.fr, because they put the cards in a case and run them until the temps and clocks stabilize for their thermal imaging shots.

 

[el etro]

How do you know the 295x2 is faster than 290X Crossfire?

Let me answer this for you... you don't.

Is based on Clockspeed matters. If the two GPUs can maintain its max clock(1020Mhz) with air+WC in 295x2, then the card will be stronger than Xfired 290Xs.


He is probably assuming this(295x2 faster than TitanZ and 780Ti SLI) based on press indications that Nvidia will limit the TitanZ clocks in order to achieve secure TDP numbers, unlike what AMD is doing with its approach. And do two 708Tis can maintain its max clockspeed(1020Mhz) on SLI mode on case? If not, Dual 1020Mhz Hawaii will have some advantage on the tests.

 

[Silverforce11]

In a closed case, comparing two open air cooler CF or SLI is going to limit their performance versus something like this hybrid, which dumps most of the heat OUT the case and thus does not raise ambient temps or have issues of waste air recycling.

Anyone who has ever used mutliple open air cards in a closed case knows its a nightmare to deal with.

This also applies to CF reference cards too, the top card is choked and either fanspeed goes insane or it throttles and doesn't maintain top boost.

I would pay ~$1,250 for this card considering the benefits over 2 separate cards and heat.

 

[Mondozei]

So, tomorrow it is. Anyone know when the NDA drops? I remember people knew at what exact time that the 750 Ti NDA was lifted. I'm hoping for early in the morning, PST, otherwise we Europeans get to read it in the middle of the night. (No, I can't wait. I'm too curious)

#firstworldproblems.

 

[Face2Face]

Check the pure cooper VRM x 2 heatsink. Should help tame the high temps that will be coming from the center of this card.

 

[guskline]

Hopefully if the NDA expires tomorrow we will have solid test results.

 

[TreVader]

yea, those are the numbers showing the gap from the 295 to the 290x xfire.

Only a few more days till we get a much better look at what it will do when put through the gauntlet.

I think it will close the gap between 290X CF but i doubt it will beat the 295x2. I don't see why you couldn't CF 3 or even 4 of these setups, is there any reason CF is limited to 4 cards besides PCIe lanes? I know SLI is limited because of bridges, but why not this?




I was hoping for benchmarks today but so far nothing.

 

[3DVagabond]

I think it will close the gap between 290X CF but i doubt it will beat the 295x2. I don't see why you couldn't CF 3 or even 4 of these setups, is there any reason CF is limited to 4 cards besides PCIe lanes? I know SLI is limited because of bridges, but why not this?




I was hoping for benchmarks today but so far nothing.

It's a Windows limitation.

 

[sushiwarrior]

8AM tomorrow NDA expires.

 

[Subyman]

8AM tomorrow NDA expires.

I was hoping for midnight. Nothing like a late night read about GPUs.

 

[Bateluer]

How do you know the 295x2 is faster than 290X Crossfire?

Let me answer this for you... you don't.

Yes, we do. 290X CF, two cards at 1000Mhz. 295X2, two GPUs running at 1018Mhz. Should be faster, provided their hybrid cooling solution allows both Hawaii GPUs to maintain those 1018Mhz clocks.

 

[guskline]

I was hoping for midnight. Nothing like a late night read about GPUs.

Yes, the anticipation is "killing" me!:biggrin:

 

[Attic]

i'm counting on a "screw up" where a nice review pops up tonight. Agreed that late night reads on new GPU stuff is always fun.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Yes, we do. 290X CF, two cards at 1000Mhz. 295X2, two GPUs running at 1018Mhz. Should be faster, provided their hybrid cooling solution allows both Hawaii GPUs to maintain those 1018Mhz clocks.

But will it? The blocks are in series, so one GPU will run much cooler than the other. I'm not convinced that radiator is big enough.