[wccftech] rumor: amd hawaii benchmarked in 3dmark11 firestrike AMD attacks titan

[ruhtraeel]

If the 9970 sightly outperforms Titan at 20nm, then VI will be a great fail, unless they have better perf/watt(or/and perf/mm²) than Maxwell and have Crossfire totally fixed and scaling better this time.

It really all depends how it will be priced.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Seems like less than $600:
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32199-amd-hawaii-will-be-priced-below-us-$600

 

[ruhtraeel]

Seems like less than $600:
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32199-amd-hawaii-will-be-priced-below-us-$600

Called it!

Pretty excited now, maxing games out at 4480*1080 with a single card is finally an option!

 

[sushiwarrior]

If the 9970 sightly outperforms Titan at 20nm, then VI will be a great fail, unless they have better perf/watt(or/and perf/mm²) than Maxwell and have Crossfire totally fixed and scaling better this time.

With most crossfire and SLI games scaling at 90%+, I don't think it's the scaling that's the issue, it's crossfire profiles/support that are the issue.

XDMA (if implemented, which I am slightly doubtful about at this point) would likely provide a solution for almost all current crossfire issues, but perhaps bring about it's share of new problems. Eyefinity users should be VERY excited for XDMA, same as high resolution users (4k etc.).

 

[boxleitnerb]

Any news on 28nm vs 20nm btw?

 

[sushiwarrior]

Any news on 28nm vs 20nm btw?

Specs says 20nm, TSMC news says 28nm. No idea how that much extra could be crammed into essentially the same TDP on 28nm... still can't confirm though :hmm:

 

[cmdrdredd]

Called it!

Pretty excited now, maxing games out at 4480*1080 with a single card is finally an option!

Uh...what? Lol no way.

 

[Tempered81]

Uh...what? Lol no way.

I play crysis 1 with an "ultra config" @ 8000x2000 + fxaa on a 7950 ~10-15 FPS. It's def possible for 4000x1000 probably @ 30 FPS

 

[boxleitnerb]

Specs says 20nm, TSMC news says 28nm. No idea how that much extra could be crammed into essentially the same TDP on 28nm... still can't confirm though :hmm:

~2900 SPs@900 MHz are definitely possible, look at Quadro K6000. If the specs lead you to believe it's 20nm, then it must be even more SP than that.
Are you under NDA? If not, why don't you just tell us?

 

[cmdrdredd]

I play crysis 1 with an "ultra config" @ 8000x2000 + fxaa on a 7950 ~10-15 FPS. It's def possible for 4000x1000 probably @ 30 FPS

15fps is below the playable level. Not even worth talking about it

 

[sushiwarrior]

~2900 SPs@900 MHz are definitely possible, look at Quadro K6000. If the specs lead you to believe it's 20nm, then it must be even more SP than that.
Are you under NDA? If not, why don't you just tell us?

Fitting >30% more at the same/lower power envelope is impressive no matter which way you slice it. More than just process maturity impressive.

Not going to spill the beans, just giving hints ()

 

[boxleitnerb]

Fitting >30% more at the same/lower power envelope is impressive no matter which way you slice it. More than just process maturity impressive.

Not going to spill the beans, just giving hints ()

Tahiti XT has pretty high voltages. To make a GPU wider and clock it lower can improve efficiency quite a bit. Tahiti (XT) is the weakest of all GCN-GPUs in terms of perf/W (in games). From that perspective, I think it's only natural if efficiency goes up significantly.

 

[sushiwarrior]

Tahiti XT has pretty high voltages. To make a GPU wider and clock it lower can improve efficiency quite a bit. Tahiti (XT) is the weakest of all GCN-GPUs in terms of perf/W (in games). From that perspective, I think it's only natural if efficiency goes up significantly.

Hawaii doesn't have voltages that are much better from what I have seen. Clocks are not significantly lower either. XT2 is obviously pushed way past the point of efficiency, but even XT is left in the dust. Pitcairn too.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Interesting, didn't expect that. Thanks for the info.

 

[moonbogg]

Well, BF4 will turn 2gb cards into useless trash for 1080p if you want maxed 4xAA, so I will be in for an upgrade. Maybe i'll go red this time. Once again, thanks Nvidia for the ram gimp. Nvidia forces upgrades too early with gimped ram. This time they forced me to the other side.

 

[Tempered81]

Obligatory Pic. Actually 8192x3072. CMdrdredd is right though, it's not playable so no point. I only use this res for screenshots. Needs > 30 fps at least.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I dunno if I could get used to that. I'm sure it looks different in person though.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Well, BF4 will turn 2gb cards into useless trash for 1080p if you want maxed 4xAA, so I will be in for an upgrade. Maybe i'll go red this time. Once again, thanks Nvidia for the ram gimp. Nvidia forces upgrades too early with gimped ram. This time they forced me to the other side.

How do you know this for a fact when the game is not released? Also the benchmarks from the alpha didn't show any gimping.

 

[Tempered81]

It's kinda hard to go over 2gb, really hard to go over 3gb.

I would really love to have 6gb though, for SSAA Hi-Res screenshots it would be fun to have the frame buffer just to take good SS's even though the FPS would be <10. Haha. I'll just keep dreamin. What do you guys think AMDs new Hawaii card will have? 3gb, 4gb, 6gb, 8gb?

 

[raghu78]

Fitting >30% more at the same/lower power envelope is impressive no matter which way you slice it. More than just process maturity impressive. Not going to spill the beans, just giving hints ()

god you really are building up a lot of hype and teasing us with your tid bits. I hope AMD Hawaii lives up to what you are building it upto :biggrin:

Hawaii doesn't have voltages that are much better from what I have seen. Clocks are not significantly lower either. XT2 is obviously pushed way past the point of efficiency, but even XT is left in the dust. Pitcairn too.

are you saying hawaii at stock clocks has better perf/watt than the reference HD 7970(925 mhz) and reference HD 7870(1 Ghz). I find that incredible. beating Tahiti might be easy but Pitcairn was probably the best in terms of perf / watt. What you are saying points to a Titan beater in perf and perf/watt. :biggrin:

 

[NostaSeronx]

Malta -> 8192 GFlops/256 GTexels/64 GPixels/~$650
Maui -> 8064 GFlops/252 GTexels/67.2 GPixels/~$600

 

[boxleitnerb]

Malta -> 8192 GFlops/256 GTexels/64 GPixels/~$650
Maui -> 8064 GFlops/252 GTexels/67.2 GPixels/~$600

Seems like you and sushiwarrior have quite conflicting information
One of you is wrong, but who?

 

[Tempered81]

3840/240/64/512 8064 GFlops/252 GTexels/67.2 GPixels/~$600

These are the specs of the high-end single GPU? Hawaii is the code name for the dual card 7990 successor? The next chip is 20nm?

Where the heck do u get this info? Whats the die size, TCP, TDP, z stencil?

If this is true, it'll smash titan.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Seems like you and sushiwarrior have quite conflicting information
One of you is wrong, but who?

My guess...both

 

[boxleitnerb]

Maybe Seronx is only wrong about codenames, but his specs are right?