We were talking about press leaks a month before release and if could hurt AMD a month before release. I said it would be too late the cards are already finished. I have no idea what your saying here.
disagree. If AMD releases competitive cards, objective gamers will purchase them as long as the price/performance is there. Despite NV having one of the best x60 cards in years, AMD still managed to claw back market share to almost 30% in the dGPU market. That means there is still a huge portion of PC gamers who haven't upgraded to Pascal yet. It's also not out of the question that objective PC gamers who currently own GTX1070/1080 could still consider switching to Vega. I am strongly considering it since I know it'll be easy to dump my 1070s for close to their purchase price to a loyal customer group for whom Vega won't even register on the map. It could be a nice free 10-20% GPU upgrade for very little work involved.
It's not off-topic. My post is actually on-topic since generation after generation we have the same posters criticizing AMD for not delivering good flagship GPUs, and yet even when AMD did deliver those cards, these gamers still didn't buy them! So their opinion on AMD's flagship GPUs is pretty much meaningless at this point. Same reason the opinions of loyal Apple users with regard to Samsung smartphones are vice versa hardly have value to the general market of smartphones. The loyal customers are bradn attached and will continue to buy their preferred brand(s) regardless of the outcome.
HD5870 and 7970 obliterated GTX280/285 and GTX480/580, respectively. 7970 slaughtered the 580 on launch date by 40-80%. Somehow, that was still not good enough. Shocking to an objective PC gamer. Same gamers who had no trouble buying waterblocks for GTX480/580/780Ti/980/1080/Titan XP somehow couldn't be bothered to buy a waterblock for 7970 and overclock it to 1.3Ghz.
Now we have posters claiming that if Vega beats 1080Ti by 5%, it's enough? haha nice joke. Not happening because even when AMD delivered cards 30-80% faster, they still didn't bite.
All they are interested are the 3 things I already described above, not in actually purchasing a Vega videocard.
Luckily for them, I highly doubt NV will delay GP102 to mid-2017, which means we should expect a natural upgrade path for GTX1080, GTX1070 SLI or GTX1080 SLI owners to GTX1080Ti/SLI in early 2017. These gamers are unlikely to wait another 6-7 months for a flagship Vega card and I would expect NV's management having excellent business acument to be jumping on this opportunity to launch Pascal refreshes and GP102 consumer parts at CES 2017 or around that time. That's exactly why AMD doesn't view these customers as its target market anyway and yet they happen to be some of the most vocal critics on forums.
It's about consistency of what people are actually saying. We clearly have a group of "enthusiasts" who claim that they want the best single GPU at all times. If we go along with that logic, over the last 7 years of GPU history these same gamers would have had to purchase HD5870 and then HD7970. This is a fact and has nothing to do with my purchasing standards. I never claim I want the fastest GPU on this forums and I always strive for price/performance. If I put myself into the shoes of the consumer who wants the fastest single GPU of the last 7 years, no matter what I would have had to own HD5870/CF, HD7970/7970Ghz CF for at least 2.5-6 months before NV responded with something as good or better.
If we extend the idea of owning the fastest GPU sub-system period, we'd have to extend that to 5970 CF, 7990 CF, and 290X Quad-Fire or R9 295X2 CF. The same people who bought GTX980/1080 on week 1-2 of release and never bothered waiting for AIB 980/1080 somehow by pure coincidence managed to not purchase the world's fastest 5870, 7970 and R9 295X2. Really now? It has nothing to do with my purchasing standards but the fact is the vocal minority who keeps trash talking AMD's flagship cards generation after generation has no interest in purchasing those cards in the first place but they aren't man enough to admit it. In fact, NV users knew that Fermi would be delayed for months after HD5870 launched and still waited. I guess top-of-the-line perfomrance isn't that important if it's not an NV card that has the crown....
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1265
We also have a very disturbing trend in the last 5 years of people defending high prices of mid-range "marketing flagship" GPUs and insinuations being thrown around that people who buy AMD are "poor gamers" or are "cheap." As a result, even if Vega were to deliver class leading price/performance, it would still be dismissed by these "enthusiasts" who are price inelastic. So in other words if Vega comes in within 10-15% of NV's flagship but it costs substantially less, AMD are still losers since well $$$ grows on trees for this target market, right?
When was the last time you actually purchased an AMD card? Please list exact cards you bought.
The same people who keep dogging on AMD's GPUs for the last 10 years as always having some flaws aren't man enough to admit in public that they simply just buy NV cards. There is nothing wrong with that as long as the gamer owns up to it and stops pretending to be objetive.
There are certainly PC gamers on here who truly do buy the fastest AMD/NV cards but the vast majority of "flagship GPU" buyers fall into the NV loyalist category of GeForce 5, 7, Fermi and Kepler buyers, and a lot of them already have G-Sync; and thus they have little to no intention switching sides. No matter what AMD does, those gamers won't switch to AMD but yet these gamers pretend to be objective and keep posting in AMD flagship threads generation after generation. The question is why are they doing it?
This forum would be a far better place if the people who prefer NV just admitted outright, "Look I prefer and only buy NV". This way we can cut the BS and focus on PC parts. It's why the forum got split into AMD and NV sub-sections in the first place so we don't get all the anti-AMD negativity that seems to precede every single AMD flagship GPU launch.
I guarantee it that if AMD delivers a $499-549 card that is 95% as fast as as a GTX1080, the 1080 owners won't be happy with that and that's fine. They paid $650-750 for those cards months ago and used them, while other gamers waited for something more affordable. There seems to be this idea over the last 5 years that unless an AMD flagship card flat out outperforms NV in almost all benchmarks, it's disappointing, regardless of price or any other factors.
Can I purchase a $450 28" 4K IPS GSync monitor?
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-U28E...481250716&sr=8-2&keywords=28+inch+4k+freesync
ANd this has what to do with the 490 release?
I think you accidently posted in the wrong thread.
He posted a response to others related to 490, if a response is ot, than you better not ask ot questions in first place.
Actually Gsync monitors are superior to Freesync, it had a lower fps limit of 30 versus Freesync's variable lower fps limit depending on manufacturer. Gsync panels need to be submitted by the manufacturer to be certified for Gsync while Freesync does not. Gsync panels usually have more things packed in such as ULMB too. Gsync also supports both full screen and windowed mode, while Freesync only supports full screen mode.I bet even if AMD had a card 10% faster but it uses 300W and 1080Ti uses 225W, many of them would cry about power usage too. Then they'll tell us how GSync is so superior to FreeSync that they would be willing to sacrifice more performance, plus you get TXAA, PhysX, ShadowPlay, and NV "superior drivers". Same story, different generation.
Actually Gsync monitors are superior to Freesync, it had a lower fps limit of 30 versus Freesync's variable lower fps limit depending on manufacturer. Gsync panels need to be submitted by the manufacturer to be certified for Gsync while Freesync does not. Gsync panels usually have more things packed in such as ULMB too. Gsync also supports both full screen and windowed mode, while Freesync only supports full screen mode.