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raghu78

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If AMD has market altering products coming, there is no way they would want anything leaked just days before the announcement that would steal their thunder or tip off Nvidia and give them time to come up with a quick response strategy. The unveiling of Zen and Vega is easily the most important day in AMD's history. If it's going to be better than we expected why risk leaks?

Exactly. Zen and Vega are easily the most important products for AMD in more than a decade. If I were AMD and had a very competitive product I would do my best to prevent any information leak which would tip off my competitors who have a first to market advantage, a dominant market share and much stronger brand + marketing. AMD needs to let their product do the talking on launch. If the product is good it will be reviewed well by press and consumers will vote with their wallet.
 

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If I were AMD and had a very competitive product I would do my best to prevent any information leak which would tip off my competitors

I don't think that a product that releases in a month could be hurt by the competition. Its too late.
 

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To stop buyers from buying a 1070/1080? Putting money in their pockets instead of Nvidia's.

Whoever wanted to buy the top performing GPUs has already bought themselves a GTX 1080 or GTX Titan X. AMD has not been competing in the > 300 USD GPU market. Vega will allow them to do that. AMD should focus on executing the Vega launch as close to perfect as possible - Good reference design, sufficient supply and well optimized drivers at launch. If you have a competitive product the market will buy your product. Obviously the strength of the brand is a factor so many people will buy Nvidia no matter what.
 

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I don't think that a product that releases in a month could be hurt by the competition. Its too late.

If AMD revealed performance and pricing a month ahead of launch wouldn't that give Nvidia the time to adjust their product pricing and spoil AMD's Vega launch.
 

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So is gpu mining still heavy enough to hog these when they get released if they are power efficient enough that normal gamers won't be able to get to them like we have seen before?
 

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I don't think that a product that releases in a month could be hurt by the competition. Its too late.
I agree.

Neither side has anything that they can spring on the other in the last month, or probably even 6 months, to compensate for any advantage.

What's coming out soon has been in development for a long time and it can't be changed.

It just takes too long to develop a new CPU or GPU.

If either side gets a big advantage, it will pretty much always take a while to release a "catch-up" product.
 

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If AMD revealed performance and pricing a month ahead of launch wouldn't that give Nvidia the time to adjust their product pricing and spoil AMD's Vega launch.
NV would only adjust pricing if there were solid leaks that showed they needed to, imo.

They aren't going to make a move over a rumor or vague hints.
 

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My theory is that if your product really is going to blow the competition away, then you should let that leak out early. This will cause a lot of buyers to postpone purchases and wait for your product. It's unlikely that the competition in this arena can respond in time.
 

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NV would only adjust pricing if there were solid leaks that showed they needed to, imo.

They aren't going to make a move over a rumor or vague hints.

yes nobody makes a move over rumours. Thats why GPU price cuts happen around a competitor's GPU launch. Thats exactly how competition works.
 

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My theory is that if your product really is going to blow the competition away, then you should let that leak out early. This will cause a lot of buyers to postpone purchases and wait for your product. It's unlikely that the competition in this arena can respond in time.

Not only is that a theory but usually how it works.
 

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My theory is that if your product really is going to blow the competition away, then you should let that leak out early. This will cause a lot of buyers to postpone purchases and wait for your product. It's unlikely that the competition in this arena can respond in time.

Five days before the announcent? Yea, that will have a dramatic effect on market share. AMD has known for a while what they have. If your theory had any thruth to it, the leaks would have started long before we got this close to an official announcement.
 

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I agree.

Neither side has anything that they can spring on the other in the last month, or probably even 6 months, to compensate for any advantage.

What's coming out soon has been in development for a long time and it can't be changed.

It just takes too long to develop a new CPU or GPU.

They can adjust clock speeds and whether or how much they want to cut down a die well within 6 months of release which could effect baseline performance pretty significantly. Then aren't going design a new die or architecture in that amount of time.
 

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Do any of the other tech giants do this? Intel, Nvidia, Apple, Samsung? Why does AMD need to give the press a heads up when no one else does?

Almost everyone does - not doing so is against the grain. Having that extra week to do rotations on feedback means proper investigative journalists and analysts can dig into detail, ask relevant architecture or market related questions and wrap it up rather than discuss bits in news stories across a week when everyone is spouting conjecture.

By prebriefing everyone early, it gives a chance to get stories correct first time without assumptions. Typically there is a narrative to weave, and it's the PRs job to communicate that to the press in such a way that they understand it (of course, they might spout BS and it's up to the journalists you trust to recognize when it is, through deep understanding). Nevertheless, most of what you read is typically copypaste of press releases, which is why it is important to track journalists you know will dive in.

Intel does, AMD does, NVIDIA does, ASUS does, etc. Very rarely is a halo product launched without media prebrief (either on location or conference call over the phone).

Most people in the smartphone industry do as well - Apple and Samsung are actually the big exceptions.
 

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Five days before the announcent? Yea, that will have a dramatic effect on market share. AMD has known for a while what they have. If your theory had any thruth to it, the leaks would have started long before we got this close to an official announcement.
Yes, of course I meant they should have leaked long ago. I have said this a few times before about other products. IIRC, I thought that if Fury were really a great card, we'd have seen solid leaks of it's performance much earlier.
 

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yes nobody makes a move over rumours. Thats why GPU price cuts happen around a competitor's GPU launch. Thats exactly how competition works.
I can't recall any decent price shifts for the "leading" cards at the release of the competition, though.

Not recently, anyway? I only got back into the computer building game in 2014, though.

I don't think NV reacted much to Fury or the RX cards, did they?
 

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Almost everyone does - not doing so is against the grain. Having that extra week to do rotations on feedback means proper investigative journalists and analysts can dig into detail, ask relevant architecture or market related questions and wrap it up rather than discuss bits in news stories across a week when everyone is spouting conjecture.

By prebriefing everyone early, it gives a chance to get stories correct first time without assumptions. Typically there is a narrative to weave, and it's the PRs job to communicate that to the press in such a way that they understand it (of course, they might spout BS and it's up to the journalists you trust to recognize when it is, through deep understanding). Nevertheless, most of what you read is typically copypaste of press releases, which is why it is important to track journalists you know will dive in.

Intel does, AMD does, NVIDIA does, ASUS does, etc. Very rarely is a halo product launched without media prebrief (either on location or conference call over the phone).

Most people in the smartphone industry do as well - Apple and Samsung are actually the big exceptions.

If there is an imminent release of an actual product then, yes, the press normally gets briefed ahead of time and gets product so the reviews are ready to go the day of release. However, unless AMD pulls off one of the biggest shockers in recent memory, they will not be announcing the availability of any vega based products. They told investors 1H 2017. You don't tell investors that if you think you will make it to market in January.
 

Pariah

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I can't recall any decent price shifts for the "leading" cards at the release of the competition, though.

Not recently, anyway? I only got back into the computer building game in 2014, though.

I don't think NV reacted much to Fury or the RX cards, did they?

They announced the 980Ti and then dropped the prices on the 980 and 970.
 
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If there is an imminent release of an actual product then, yes, the press normally gets briefed ahead of time and gets product so the reviews are ready to go the day of release. However, unless AMD pulls off one of the biggest shockers in recent memory, they will not be announcing the availability of any vega based products. They told investors 1H 2017. You don't tell investors that if you think you will make it to market in January.

The new world order seems to be new GPUs get paper launches and then real launches afterwards. This smells like a pre-briefing to the paper launch, followed by the real launch. So I'd expect they have clocks finalized and they're in a pure production focus mode right now (e.g. just make units as fast as possible and continue working on drivers)

this is all assuming this leak is true at all....
 
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My theory is that if your product really is going to blow the competition away, then you should let that leak out early. This will cause a lot of buyers to postpone purchases and wait for your product. It's unlikely that the competition in this arena can respond in time.

Nobody postpones purchases over AMD leak/hype. They don't even buy AMD when it is a better product because of the Apple factor which Nvidia has built quite well.
 

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Whatever AMD brings out next it needs to be quite a bit quicker then the 1080, Nvidia will launch the 1080ti shortly after so it better match that.
 

thesmokingman

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Thats because it usually turns out to be untrue. Fury X - overclockers dream, FX bulldozer performance claims etc etc

Yea, they don't have much of a track record right... lol? And they have an uncanny knack for screwing up launches, smh.
 
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