We don't need hybrids,.. we need 55MPH! - a long winded ramble.

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skyking

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Reams of data doesn't fit what I experience in real life. At faster speeds I am able to cruise on the highway, at 55 I need to have my foot on the gas the whole way. Hence, I use more gas going 55. It costs more in both time and money.
This is what is called "anecdotal evidence". The other data is just data, there to be evaluated and scientifically studied.
I'm not trying to convert anybody. If you believe that your car defies physics then so be it.
If spidey thinks gearing trumps aerodynamics and crr, so be it.
I've been making some changes to my truck. it started out getting roughly 19 MPG @75 mph. I've changed injectors and timing, and also took my foot out. I moved the bar to over 26 MPG. That's 36% that my wallet can see
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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WTF? How does time spent traveling have anything to do with it? If you travel 100 miles, it doesn't matter if it takes you 6 hours or 2 hours when it comes to MPG.

He said everything equal you will use more gas going 75 rather than 55. That only matters if you assume time is equal. There's nothing physically stopping a design from being more efficient at 75 than 55. Smarten up.
 

spidey07

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Thought I read that some time ago manufacturers started designing cars to get best highway mileage at 70mph instead of 55. They got better mileage at 55 when that was the speed limit because that's how they were designed/geared. Not now, now they are designed for 70.
 

overst33r

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I drive 150 miles, all highway every day. I get best gas mileage at 70-75 Mph of 32mpg. 80 and it drops to 31.7-.9 I am guaranteed to drop below 30 if I go 55-60 mph. I'm measured it many times. Has to do with gearing. 55-60 is in between gears for best efficiency.

Out of curiosity, what is your RPM at 55-60?
 

exdeath

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How about if shitty greedy car companies put more effort into overall efficiency so we could go 75 and get the same results you see by going 55? Is that too much trouble?

Fuck yes it is. There's no money in efficiency.

Take a couple physics classes and then evaluate your post again.
 

sao123

Lifer
May 27, 2002
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Slower driving getting better gas mileage is a generally accepted fact. A few simple things about fuel economy:
-drivetrain drag is less when using higher gears (a car in first gears slows down extremely fast even without hitting the brakes)
-drivetrain drag is less at lower rpm
-aerodynamic drag is less at lower speeds, and it increases by the square of the vehicle's velocity (2x as fast = 4x as much drag)

When all of these rules are put together, you get one universal way of getting the best gas mileage:
You will get the best mileage when driving in the highest gear at the lowest rpm. In most cars, that's somewhere around 40-50mph.

The general rule told to drivers in Canada is that your gas mileage decreases by about 10% for every 10km/h of speed increase. From my experience, that's a fairly accurate estimate. My Civic would get horrible gas mileage when driving 140km/h (88mph). It could drop by as much as 40% just by driving fast.


huh?
the reaso nyour car slows down faster in 1st gear is called compression engine braking. Just as compression produces power, it also has the ability to absorb it.
Large trucks even have a valve to cut off the exhaust exit to produce even more compression, thus a true engine brake.
 

overst33r

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over 3k in 5th

under 2k in 6th (and worthless if accelerating or going up hill)

Your car will get better gas mileage at 55mph, this is almost guaranteed. Try it with a instant MPG tool and report back. 3.5L of displacement is plenty to not lug at that RPM in top gear.

I got to drive from FL to TN in a TL (auto, but similar gearing). It got better mileage at 55 rather than 70+.
 

spidey07

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Your car will get better gas mileage at 55mph, this is almost guaranteed. Try it with a instant MPG tool and report back. 3.5L of displacement is plenty to not lug at that RPM in top gear.

I got to drive from FL to TN in a TL (auto, but similar gearing). It got better mileage at 55 rather than 70+.

The gearing is totally different in the auto. 6th in the manual is very tall and really only useful past 65. I have over 260k miles on my car and given how much I drive every day I pay very close attention. I get better mileage at 70 than I do 55. I can guarantee that, I am positive of it. Anything above a grade of flat, and 6th is useless and requires at least 1/3 throttle to maintain speed.
 

fenrir

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He said everything equal you will use more gas going 75 rather than 55. That only matters if you assume time is equal. There's nothing physically stopping a design from being more efficient at 75 than 55. Smarten up.

Oh, I see, you just wanted to troll his response. Probably why everyone else ignored you. I will also.

AyashiKaibutsu said:
That assumes time spent traveling is equal (hint: faster cars spend less time traveling).

[Troll]The vehicles of today do not time travel, so faster cars do not do it faster.[/Troll]
 
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exar333

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From a physics standpoint, 55mph is MORE efficient than anything faster. That said, you would need to gear a car to take advantage of this speed for it's 'sweet spot' in mileage. Currently, because folks cruise at mostly 65-80 on interstates, many cars are engineered to be more efficient at these speeds.

I would hate to drive 55mph...
 

desy

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Yes overcoming air resistance is what craps out FE and its an exponential problem which is why relatively small increases in speed takes a disproportionate amount of HP to overcome.
That being said driving is not a right to whatever you feel like, why a speed limit at 65 or 75 then? I wouldn't be fond of rolling back though unless fuel, either through price or supply, has been declared a national emergency and a 'war effort' justification demanded we change.
 

LTC8K6

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I drive 150 miles, all highway every day. I get best gas mileage at 70-75 Mph of 32mpg. 80 and it drops to 31.7-.9 I am guaranteed to drop below 30 if I go 55-60 mph. I'm measured it many times. Has to do with gearing. 55-60 is in between gears for best efficiency.

This is not very believable, imo.

Particularly losing only tenths of a mpg going to 80. The power required goes up a lot to go from 70 to 80, or even 75 to 80. As does the drag.

I would be very surprised if a Scangage gph readout agreed with you.

How are you measuring fuel consumption?
 

SSSnail

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How about we both drive responsibly? You drive your car as you want, I drive mine as I want, and get the hell out of my way?

We really don't need more government in our lives, and certainly not because YOU think it's a good idea. This is exactly what's wrong with America and its politics.

BTW, my car is most efficient at around 80 mph.
 

Train

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This is not very believable, imo.

Particularly losing only tenths of a mpg going to 80. The power required goes up a lot to go from 70 to 80, or even 75 to 80. As does the drag.

I would be very surprised if a Scangage gph readout agreed with you.

How are you measuring fuel consumption?

I drive in Detroit, where EVERYONE is doing 80, and is within a car length of the car in front and behind. There is no wind resistance!
 

LTC8K6

Lifer
Mar 10, 2004
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How about we both drive responsibly? You drive your car as you want, I drive mine as I want, and get the hell out of my way?

We really don't need more government in our lives, and certainly not because YOU think it's a good idea. This is exactly what's wrong with America and its politics.

BTW, my car is most efficient at around 80 mph.

Stop making sense.

You can't even drive the vehicle you want to drive without getting a high school lecture... :biggrin:
 

LTC8K6

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I drive in Detroit, where EVERYONE is doing 80, and is within a car length of the car in front and behind. There is no wind resistance!

Feel free to draft behind my Jeep and let the hemi make the hole in the air for you.
 

Doppel

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I'd rather drive a hybrid at 75 mph on the highway than a high horsepower car that has a 55 mph speed limit.
 

Dr. Detroit

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My time ='s money - so I drive as fast as safe for conditions and its usually the flow of traffic at 70 - 75mph. That trims 20-minutes off a 1hr commute time.

An extra gallon of gas is $3.87 for premium so $4-bucks for 20minutes of my time. Since I make more than $12hr after tax is works in my favor to drive 70-75mph.

High speed limits help increases American's efficiency to keep us more productive.
 

ShawnD1

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I'd rather drive a hybrid at 75 mph on the highway than a high horsepower car that has a 55 mph speed limit.

Top Gear tested this before. They had a Prius go around the track as fast as possible. Clarkson was following in a BMW. It's not overly difficult to follow a Prius, so he's driving the BMW fairly easy. The BMW got better gas mileage
 

senseamp

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Drag scales as square of the area, so yes, at 55MPH you are seeing 28% less drag than at 65MPH. If you want to go fast on freeway and save gas, get behind an SUV or a van. Big rig works too but more risk of rocks.
 
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my friend drove 95mph on a 300 mile trip and got 36mpg, best he's ever gotten. Usually gets 30mpg at *normal* highway speeds
 

ponyo

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Let's just walk everywhere. We use no gas and we could use the exercise. Your time is not important.
 
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