"We know he's a fraud, but we're voting for him anyway."

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davmat787

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It's not about who's better or worse. It's about so many people being willing to vote for someone whom they admit is lying to them.

What is worse, voting someone you know is lying, or voting for someone whom you refuse to believe is lying? :hmm:
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Another example of "My guy did it, so it's OK. My guy gets a pass for bombing brown countries, because when my guy does it, it really really needed to be done".

You're a cancer.

Uh yes I am. I see no difference. You do because you're a tool.

Right... The nearly $1T spent in Iraq, 4500 US deaths, 100,000+ Iraqi deaths, untold numbers of people damaged for life is *exactly the same* as the nearly $1B spent on Libya, zero American casualties, & far, far fewer Libyan casualties as well...

Your false equivalency is beyond desperate- it's grotesque.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Probably not... but judging by moonbeam's posts he will likely pop a vein or two.

My judgment is for you, so that you know who you are. Who wins the election will make no difference to me. I am a nobody. All my fears and worries have already happened. I defeated the Nothing. I am free. I have my own personal integrity. I didn't sell out to lies. I follow the truth into hell and died in the flames. This nobody is all that came back. For the deepest Moonbeam there is only silence and peace. I rode the wave to the bottom of the sea and found the Octopuses Garden.
 

NoStateofMind

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Oct 14, 2005
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New CBS/NYT poll has Obama up by 1 nationally, 48-47.

Asked if the candidate says what he believes or what people want to hear, Obama scores 50/47, while Romney scores 42/54.

So... a bunch of people know Romney is lying, but they're supporting him anyway.

This election is making me want to throw up.

You are a blind fool if you think either one has an ounce of honesty.
 

Charles Kozierok

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What is the point of voting for a guy who is sincere in his positions if you absolutely disagree with those positions?

Finally, a worthwhile rebuttal.

If someone actually said that to me, I'd have to respect it.

But I think that most of the people who are voting for Romney despite knowing he's a fraud are doing so based on irrational hatred of Obama.
 

peonyu

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Romney and Obama are both fucking liars. Why does it only matter that the challenger lies, yet the standing President gets a pass? How about we as Americans give both of the liars the middle finger and elect someone else? Oh that's right because you guys are to busy playing with your assholes.

We dont have a choice, we can only vote for dumb or dumber. Ron Paul or any other third party candidate has no chance since big money and the lame stream media dont give them airtime.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Finally, a worthwhile rebuttal.

If someone actually said that to me, I'd have to respect it.

But I think that most of the people who are voting for Romney despite knowing he's a fraud are doing so based on irrational hatred of Obama.

Romney has positions? Really? Other than more tax cuts for the Uber-Wealthy?

Middle class righties are like a beaten wife who keeps going back to the guy, because he sent 'em flowers while they were in the hospital... from the last time he kicked her around the house...
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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We dont have a choice, we can only vote for dumb or dumber. Ron Paul or any other third party candidate has no chance since big money and the lame stream media dont give them airtime.

Dumb, dumber or truly whacked-out delusional, huh?
 

Agent11

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Jan 22, 2006
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So how many documented lies has Obama told that you equate him to Romney?

Real documented falsehood told, not any bs like saying hes going to get legislation passed and having the republicans block it, or ideological viewpoints that can be contested.
 

xj0hnx

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Dec 18, 2007
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Right... The nearly $1T spent in Iraq, 4500 US deaths, 100,000+ Iraqi deaths, untold numbers of people damaged for life is *exactly the same* as the nearly $1B spent on Libya, zero American casualties, & far, far fewer Libyan casualties as well...

Your false equivalency is beyond desperate- it's grotesque.

You'll do anything to hide the ill's from "your guy" huh? Here's a hint, it isn't about the cost of the wars moron.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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I dislike both candidates...I just dislike Romney more than I dislike O'Bummer.

It seems to me that regardless of which one wins...we're gonna get fucked in the ass...the big difference is whether they'll give us a reach around or not...Mormons hate the gays...look at their funding of California's Prop 8...so I don't think we'll get a reach-around from Romney...
 

Agent11

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Jan 22, 2006
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The UN went into Libya. Not the USA.

The initial call to arms was by the FRENCH and the BRITISH. We had a limited involvement.

Chronology
21 February 2011: Libyan deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Ibrahim Dabbashi called "on the UN to impose a no-fly zone on all Tripoli to cut off all supplies of arms and mercenaries to the regime."[37]

23 February 2011: French President Nicolas Sarkozy pushed for the European Union (EU) to pass sanctions against Gaddafi (freezing Gaddafi family funds abroad) and demand he stop attacks against civilians.

25 February 2011: Sarkozy said Gaddafi "must go".[52]

28 February 2011: British Prime Minister David Cameron proposed the idea of a no-fly zone to prevent Gaddafi from "airlifting mercenaries" and "using his military aeroplanes and armoured helicopters against civilians."[42]

1 March 2011: The US Senate unanimously passes non-binding Senate resolution S.RES.85 urging the United Nations Security Council to impose a Libyan no-fly zone and encouraging Gaddafi to step down. The US had naval forces positioned off the coast of Libya, as well as forces already in the region, including the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise.[53]

2 March 2011: The Governor General of Canada-in-Council authorises, on the advice of Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper, the deployment of the Royal Canadian Navy frigate HMCS Charlottetown to the Mediterranean, off the coast of Libya.[54] Canadian National Defence Minister Peter MacKay stated that "[w]e are there for all inevitabilities. And NATO is looking at this as well ... This is taken as a precautionary and staged measure."[53]

7 March 2011: US Ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder announced that NATO decided to step up surveillance missions of E-3 AWACS aircraft to twenty-four hours a day. On the same day, it was reported that an anonymous UN diplomat confirmed to Agence France Presse that France and Britain were drawing up a resolution on the no-fly zone that would be considered by the UN Security Council during the same week.[41] The Gulf Cooperation Council also on that day called upon the UN Security Council to "take all necessary measures to protect civilians, including enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya."

9 March 2011: The head of the Libyan National Transitional Council, Mustafa Abdul Jalil, "pleaded for the international community to move quickly to impose a no-fly zone over Libya, declaring that any delay would result in more casualties".[38] Three days later, he stated that if pro-Gaddafi forces reached Benghazi, then they would kill "half a million" people. He stated, "If there is no no-fly zone imposed on Gaddafi's regime, and his ships are not checked, we will have a catastrophe in Libya."[39]

10 March 2011: France recognized the Libyan NTC as the legitimate government of Libya soon after Sarkozy met with them in Paris. This meeting was arranged by Bernard-Henri Lévy.[55]

11 March 2011: Cameron joined forces with Sarkozy after Sarkozy demanded immediate action from international community for a no-fly zone against air attacks by Gaddafi.[56]

12 March 2011: Nine out of the twenty-two Arab League members "called on the United Nations Security Council to impose a no-fly zone over Libya in a bid to protect civilians from air attack".
[46][47][48][57] The Arab League's request was announced by Omani Foreign MinisterYusuf bin Alawi bin Abdullah, who stated that all member states present at the meeting agreed with the proposal.[46] On 12 March, thousands of Libyan women marched in the streets of the rebel-held town of Benghazi, calling for the imposition of a no-fly zone over Libya.[40]

14 March 2011: In Paris at the Élysée Palace, before the summit with the G8 Minister for Foreign Affairs, Sarkozy, who is also the president of the G8, along with French Foreign Minister Alain Juppé met with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and impressed her upon to push for intervention in Libya.[58]

15 March 2011: A resolution for a no-fly zone was proposed by Nawaf Salam, Lebanon's Ambassador to the UN. The resolution was immediately backed by France and the United Kingdom.[59]

17 March 2011: The UN Security Council, acting under the authority of Chapter VII of the UN Charter, approved a no-fly zone by a vote of ten in favour, zero against, and five abstentions, via United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. The five abstentions were: Brazil, Russia, India, China, and Germany.[49][50][51][60][61] Less than twenty-four hours later, Libya announced that it would halt all military operations in response to the UN Security Council resolution.[62][63]

18 March 2011: The Libyan foreign minister, Moussa Koussa, said that he had declared a ceasefire, attributing the UN resolution.[64] However, artillery shelling on Misrata and Ajdabiya continued, and government soldiers continued approaching Benghazi.[19][65] Government troops and tanks entered the city on 19 March.[66] Artillery and mortars were also fired into the city.[67] US President Barack Obama held a meeting with eighteen senior lawmakers at the White House on the afternoon of 18 March[68]

19 March 2011: French[69] forces began the military intervention in Libya, later joined by coalition forces with strikes against armoured units south of Benghazi and attacks on Libyan air-defence systems, as UN Security Council Resolution 1973 called for using "all necessary means" to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas from attack, imposed a no-fly zone, and called for an immediate and with-standing cease-fire, while also strengthening travel bans on members of the regime, arms embargoes, and asset freezes.[18]

21 March 2011: Obama sent a letter to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate.[70]

24 March 2011: In telephone negotiations, French foreign minister Alain Juppé agreed to let NATO take over all military operations on 29 March at the latest, allowing Turkey to veto strikes on Gaddafi ground forces from that point forward.[71] Later reports stated that NATO would take over enforcement of the no-fly zone and the arms embargo, but discussions were still under way about whether NATO would take over the protection of civilians mission. Turkey reportedly wanted the power to veto airstrikes, while France wanted to prevent Turkey from having such a veto.[72][73]

25 March 2011: NATO Allied Joint Force Command in Naples took command of the no-fly zone over Libya and combined it with the ongoing arms embargo operation under the name Operation Unified Protector.[74]

28 March 2011: Obama addressed the American people on Libya.[75]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya
 
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xj0hnx

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The UN went into Libya. Not the USA.

The initial call to arms was by the FRENCH and the BRITISH. We had a limited involvement.

"Well officer, I just kicked him once when he was down, those other guys were the ones that beat him with the bats"

 

AyashiKaibutsu

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False equivalency is high in this thread... Comparing Iraq and Libya takes some extreme intellectual dishonesty or stupidity. On the scale of lying, Obama doesn't even show up when you compare to Romney. Go ahead people keep saying but he's just as bad. That way anyone with brains knows how little of value to hold opinions to.
 

Jhhnn

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So how many documented lies has Obama told that you equate him to Romney?

Real documented falsehood told, not any bs like saying hes going to get legislation passed and having the republicans block it, or ideological viewpoints that can be contested.

Shush, you! They're on a false equivalency crusade, a rampage. The fact that they're doing it at all means they can't be reasoned with. It's all about truthiness, about thinking with their gut, using their brains merely to rationalize.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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You'll do anything to hide the ill's from "your guy" huh? Here's a hint, it isn't about the cost of the wars moron.

I certainly care more about the human toll than the money, and by that standard Iraq was a total clusterfuck. We and the Iraqis will be caring for a lot of maimed, shot up & blown up people for a very long time at a scale that dwarfs anything that's happened in Libya.
 

halik

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Oooh is this a "my guy doesn't lie and yours totally does" thread?

If you're naive enough to think that politicians don't say bs to get them elected, I've got windfall profit oil taxes and closed cuban bases to sell you.

What that poll is saying is people don't care about majority of the election bs and look at past history - Romney gubernatorial record is better than Obama
 

IGBT

Lifer
Jul 16, 2001
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your obama is a media creation. If he had to tell the truth he wouldn't have much to say.
 

Agent11

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We are talking LIES and FLIP FLOPS. Not sabotage by a irresponsible, partisan, Republican controlled congress .

Big difference you know.
 
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monovillage

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We are talking LIES and FLIP FLOPS. Not sabotage by a irresponsible, partisan, Republican controlled congress .

Big difference you know.

You can write a letter then to politifact, I'm sure they'll care about your whiny and inaccurate complaints just as much as I do
 
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