"We know he's a fraud, but we're voting for him anyway."

[irishScott]

If you don't think Romney is any worse you haven't been paying attention or are too jaded to discern reality.

All politicians lie, some just do it more articulately. As I said, Romeny is currently pandering to two massively different demographics. Of course he's going to lie a lot, and if you were in his position you'd be doing the exact same thing, or else you would have lost back in the primary.

A politician's word is all but meaningless. Even if what they say is sincere they're subject to the political system and all the checks and balances therein. It's their actions that matter, and Romeny's actions as governor display something of a moderate streak that I like better than Obama.

 

[monovillage]

If you don't think Obama is any worse you haven't been paying attention or are too jaded to discern reality.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Desturel]

All politicians lie, some just do it more articulately. As I said, Romeny is currently pandering to two massively different demographics. Of course he's going to lie a lot, and if you were in his position you'd be doing the exact same thing, or else you would have lost back in the primary.

I think it's safe to say that I wouldn't back a person who states that babies born after a rape are God's gift to women. I also wouldn't say that 47% of Americans are worthless moochers.

 

[monovillage]

I think it's safe to say that I wouldn't back a person who states that babies born after a rape are God's gift to women. I also wouldn't say that 47% of Americans are worthless moochers.

Look at that. You just lied when you said that Romney called 47% worthless moochers.

The Quote "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

 

[irishScott]

I think it's safe to say that I wouldn't back a person who states that babies born after a rape are God's gift to women. I also wouldn't say that 47% of Americans are worthless moochers.

You would do both with relish if the political advantages were worth it. Especially the latter if you're at a private fundraiser full of people who probably think that way.

Idealist politicians rarely get anywhere outright, and most idealists avoid politics in the first place.

 

[Desturel]

Look at that. You just lied when you said that Romney called 47% worthless moochers.

Thanks for the correction. They aren't "worthless" they are just moochers.

...believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled... to food....

Yes, those horrible people who think hey are entitled to eating. We should setup starvation camps for them right? Oh wait, starvation camps would be socialism since the government would have to pay the workers. I guess letting them die in the street is the better option.

Again, that 47% includes active duty military and the elderly the majority of whom vote straight ticket republican if surveys are to be believed.

You would do both with relish if the political advantages were worth it. Especially the latter if you're at a private fundraiser full of people who probably think that way.

I would do neither. There are certain moral standards that I hold myself to. Pretending that there is a silver-lining to every rape is not one of those standards. Lumping 47% of the population together in a broad brush statement is another standard I would not compromise.

You don't have to pander to the type of person who believes a legitimate rape is the only type of bad rape and everyone else had it coming or must have asked for it. Do you know why? Because they'll vote for you anyway. You don't have to come out with such ridiculous word gymnastics in order to save their vote. They'll vote for you anyway.

So what do you have to gain from lowering your standards with regard to making ridiculous claims such as that? You are re-enforcing a base that you have already won. The primaries are over and the third party options are mostly non-existent.

 

[Agent11]

They have already decided on their rationalization de jour and have demonized the Dems for all the countries problems. It is no use trying to reason with them.

 

[monovillage]

They have already decided that their guy doesn't lie (much) and our guy lies (a lot).

Irish Scott is of course right in that they're politicians and they're pretty much lying every time their lips are moving. It's really just a matter of degree and whether or not you support what the lies may accomplish.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Heres video about obummer and his truth.

We use this video at nursing homes it really pisses the old folks off at obummer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPm9UpbZdHg

 

[Moonbeam]

We will see. Neither candidates represent me, so I'm not a fan of either. I offer a possible explanation, not a judgement.

I understood. I just wanted to question what perspective could actually possibly mean. Personally, I can't credit Republicans with having perspective as that to me implies intelligently competing points of view. To view with perspective is ordinarily thought to be an intelligent thing, seems to me, but what I see on the right looks only like insanity to me. I see only a massive bias motivated by self hate. I don't like to use the word perspective to refer to what nut cases see. I see denial and that can't be a good thing. I may be no different but I can't believe it because of the price I paid for my own honesty. Unlike the right that defends, I destroyed everything I used to believe. I tasted denial and chose death over it. That's how it looks to me.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yes and you post here day and night so we know all thats needs to be known . Your not working and you like gooberment money

 

[Agent11]

What it's illegal to be a self employed insomniac these days?

 

[CPA]

Obama - "If you make less than $250,000, your taxes will not go up one cent!"

Liar.

 

[bfdd]

NDAA was signed by Obama, what are your positions on the similar Patriot Act and how it effected your opinion of Bush? What was your opinion of bush's collateral damage from combat? Obama's drone strikes are pushing 1000 or more civies and children dead. Drug war? Cronyism? Selling out to Wall St? The list goes on and on and on, Obama has done these things then lied or distorted the truth or paints a false picture of reality. Same shit the admin before him and before that and that. The Republicans and Democrats are corrupt institutions that do not have your or my best interest at heart. They have a plan and a view of the world they wish to build and they will take from anyone or crush anyone in their way.

 

[Agent11]

Obama - "If you make less than $250,000, your taxes will not go up one cent!"

Liar.

O? now when did that happen?

 

[Doppel]

Romney has taken lying to a whole new level and the next presidential campaigns (of which he won't be a part) will be apply it in spades.

Romney's campaign is completely finished, though, so no worry about why people vote for him really other than an idle curiosity.

 

[Jhhnn]

All politicians lie, some just do it more articulately. As I said, Romeny is currently pandering to two massively different demographics. Of course he's going to lie a lot, and if you were in his position you'd be doing the exact same thing, or else you would have lost back in the primary.

A politician's word is all but meaningless. Even if what they say is sincere they're subject to the political system and all the checks and balances therein. It's their actions that matter, and Romeny's actions as governor display something of a moderate streak that I like better than Obama.

Moderate streak of 800 "bipartisan" vetoes, right?

WTF planet are you orbiting, anyway?

 

[ivwshane]

NDAA was signed by Obama, what are your positions on the similar Patriot Act and how it effected your opinion of Bush? What was your opinion of bush's collateral damage from combat? Obama's drone strikes are pushing 1000 or more civies and children dead.

Those are legitimate concerns and are issues I had with Bush and Obama, the rest of your post was BS.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

dumbasses got nothing to blame but themslves for voting these crooks in

 

[Desturel]

Obama - "If you make less than $250,000, your taxes will not go up one cent!"

Liar.

Wait, when did the tax code change to increase taxes on those making less than $250,000? The last I checked, tax reform bills were still held up in Congress. So please, show me when tax rates were increased.

 

[Agent11]

He's most likely betting that sequestration will go through, then the Republicans will scream about the Dem's raising taxes, when in fact they are the ones that voted for this deal as well, and refused to pass a budget that would have made it null.

Republican douche baggery at it's finest.

 

[pcgeek11]

False equivelance. That's the only defense for Romney. Remember a lie is telling a know falsehood about something current or has already happened. Or a promise for something you have no intention of keeping.

Romney seems to lie about everything. How many times does he say something to a group only to have his people walk it back within 30 min?

The latest lie is the ad claiming because of Obama Jeep is moving jobs to China. Jeep themselves stated this is a lie yet the Romney team is running it in an ad.

There is some truth in the story, even though it isn't Moving Jobs to China or the entire Jeep production to china. They still may be producing some Jeeps in China in the near future.

From: http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1080127_so-is-jeep-really-moving-to-china-or-what
As we pointed out last week at Motor Authority, the Bloomberg story referred to the production of Jeep vehicles for the Chinese auto market: "Today, all Jeep models are produced in the United States, at assembly lines in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. In the pre-Fiat days, however, some Jeep models destined for China were built in in Chinese plants."

That is exactly what the author of the Bloomberg article with the poorly worded headline was going on about. To streamline production during the Great Recession, Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne had Jeeps for the Chinese market built in the U.S. To meet growing demand, however, Marchionne is now in talks with Guangzhou Automobile Group about the possibility of making some -- or perhaps all -- Chinese-bound Jeeps in China itself.

 

[pcgeek11]

Heres video about obummer and his truth.

We use this video at nursing homes it really pisses the old folks off at obummer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPm9UpbZdHg

All of Obama's lies make Anyone else look like a boy scout.

 

[ivwshane]

There is some truth in the story, even though it isn't Moving Jobs to China or the entire Jeep production to china. They still may be producing some Jeeps in China in the near future.

From: http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1080127_so-is-jeep-really-moving-to-china-or-what
As we pointed out last week at Motor Authority, the Bloomberg story referred to the production of Jeep vehicles for the Chinese auto market: "Today, all Jeep models are produced in the United States, at assembly lines in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. In the pre-Fiat days, however, some Jeep models destined for China were built in in Chinese plants."

That is exactly what the author of the Bloomberg article with the poorly worded headline was going on about. To streamline production during the Great Recession, Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne had Jeeps for the Chinese market built in the U.S. To meet growing demand, however, Marchionne is now in talks with Guangzhou Automobile Group about the possibility of making some -- or perhaps all -- Chinese-bound Jeeps in China itself.

All car companies do that you moron. That being said, it's not what Romney said nor was it what he was implying.

Now go back to your whole apologist.

 

[irishScott]

Moderate streak of 800 "bipartisan" vetoes, right?

WTF planet are you orbiting, anyway?

Yes, because all vetoes were inherently partisan on Romney's part.

I'm sure you'll now go and cherry pick some that seem to be partisan. I googled the issue and the only commentary/facts I could find were from op-eds and liberal sources.

Faceless vetoes aside, RomneyCare and his gun control policies alone spell "moderate" for a Republican. I'm sure he's a social conservative, but that's a dying breed by all indicators, so he's not going to do any long-term damage there.

Hell, it would be kinda sweet to see Democrats voting in lock-step opposition to Romney, because it'll happen at least once if he's elected. Then the Republican shills here can cry about obstructionism, the Democrat shills can talk about how heroic their struggle is, and I can go into the archive and post the two bi-polar responses based on nothing more than party and laugh as the various shills here try to justify them.