We need higher gas taxes?

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: kyle xy

Originally posted by: senseamp
We need higher gas taxes even if it's not spent on roads.

Tell you what...since you are such a big fan of higher taxes why don't you just send a check directly to the IRS that way the rest of us don't have to suffer.

I will even send you a Thank you card.

As my Dad once taught me: "It's not about how much you make; it's about how much you spend." The last thing the government needs is more money. Let's teach them how to manage it before giving them more to squander...this applies to both parties!

Ah yes the completely irrationally starve the beast idea. Hasn't the last 8 years proved that doesn't work?

Seriously? You think the last 8 years have starved the beast? No wonder you're a Democrat. You're stupid.

 

[senseamp]

Starve the beast only works if there is a balanced budget requirement, so it would not work on federal level, as has been demonstrated repeatedly with Republican taxcuts.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: kyle xy

Originally posted by: senseamp
We need higher gas taxes even if it's not spent on roads.

Tell you what...since you are such a big fan of higher taxes why don't you just send a check directly to the IRS that way the rest of us don't have to suffer.

I will even send you a Thank you card.

As my Dad once taught me: "It's not about how much you make; it's about how much you spend." The last thing the government needs is more money. Let's teach them how to manage it before giving them more to squander...this applies to both parties!

Ah yes the completely irrationally starve the beast idea. Hasn't the last 8 years proved that doesn't work?

Seriously? You think the last 8 years have starved the beast? No wonder you're a Democrat. You're stupid.

You're not that bright are you? How many tax cuts did bush propose?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: LS8

Originally posted by: senseamp
We need higher gas taxes even if it's not spent on roads.

Why?

Some people think that it would cause consumption to go down. I highly doubt it though, unless it is a multiple dollar per gallon tax.

A small increase in the federal gas tax that could ONLY be used for road and bridge repair would get an ok from me. If you think about it a 1 penny gas tax could fund road repair easily, even if consumption goes down.

Edit: To clarify, I agree with CAD's sentiment that support would be conditional to the money going only DOT's road repair budget.

The federal panel urging the tax is asking for a 50% increase in the tax..09 cents on gas and .12 to.15 cents on diesel. They are also urging states to raise their tax accordingly. The pretense is that there is a shortfall in revenue
due to lower usage. Will they let the tax increase expire when usage goes up? HELL NO THEY WON'T.

 

[miketheidiot]

i think another .30 woudl be fair without causing an undue burden.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
i think another .30 woudl be fair without causing an undue burden.

In the real world, millions of people are unemployed, and doing without the things they need and want. It's fair that Government programs and the people they employ are immune from that. Little shortfall, no problem, just raise the taxes.

HELL NO.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
An at least $5 gallon tax would solve the energy problem in the U.S.

Nearly $5 gallon gas has brought the country and the world to it's knees.

Neccessity is the Mother of invention and some thing old are new again.

Can't afford gas, people will find another way, horse and buggy will be back.

HAHAHAHAHAHHA!! Oh my you are funny. Another stupendous and brilliant idea from the biggest hack on P&N. Maybe a $10 a pack tax will work on curing lung cancer. BRILLIANT!!

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: boomerang
Anyone with a vehicle that gets over 30 miles to a gallon should have to pay an annual surcharge of $1500 to $2000. They're using less gas and aren't contributing their fair share to the maintenance of our highway system.

Why penalize everyone for the mis-deeds of the greenies? If you want fuel efficiency, you've gotta pay.

So we should be charging 10X more for motorcycles? What about the bicyclist who doesn't pay a darn thing both in gas and road taxes, but also uses the road? Should we tax it a 1000X more?
Believe it or not this is nothing but a prelude to the so called 3M jobs the next administration was bragging about. It's nothing but the same old trick, "Rob Peter to feed Paul"!

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
i think another .30 woudl be fair without causing an undue burden.

In the real world, millions of people are unemployed, and doing without the things they need and want. It's fair that Government programs and the people they employ are immune from that. Little shortfall, no problem, just raise the taxes.

HELL NO.

So when more bridges start falling down how do you plan on getting to work?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
i think another .30 woudl be fair without causing an undue burden.

In the real world, millions of people are unemployed, and doing without the things they need and want. It's fair that Government programs and the people they employ are immune from that. Little shortfall, no problem, just raise the taxes.

HELL NO.

So when more bridges start falling down how do you plan on getting to work?

I will use the one paid for by the insurance company that insured the bridge that collapsed because of an engineering defect.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
i think another .30 woudl be fair without causing an undue burden.

In the real world, millions of people are unemployed, and doing without the things they need and want. It's fair that Government programs and the people they employ are immune from that. Little shortfall, no problem, just raise the taxes.

HELL NO.

So when more bridges start falling down how do you plan on getting to work?

I will use the one paid for by the insurance company that insured the bridge that collapsed because of an engineering defect.

Good luck with that. Just because something fails does not mean there was a defect.

 

[crisscross]

Better roads? you guys need better public transport system.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
i think another .30 woudl be fair without causing an undue burden.

In the real world, millions of people are unemployed, and doing without the things they need and want. It's fair that Government programs and the people they employ are immune from that. Little shortfall, no problem, just raise the taxes.

HELL NO.

So when more bridges start falling down how do you plan on getting to work?

I will use the one paid for by the insurance company that insured the bridge that collapsed because of an engineering defect.

Good luck with that. Just because something fails does not mean there was a defect.

Here Is this the one you were referring to?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: crisscross
Better roads? you guys need better public transport system.

And we need to utilize our freight rail infrastructure to its capacity. Much more efficient at moving freight than a Government Bureaucracy. And greener.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: crisscross
Better roads? you guys need better public transport system.

And we need to utilize our freight rail infrastructure to its capacity. Much more efficient at moving freight than a Government Bureaucracy. And greener.

Yes public transportation is useful in what half a percent of the land mass in the US and then only for 2/3 of the day at most

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: crisscross
Better roads? you guys need better public transport system.

And we need to utilize our freight rail infrastructure to its capacity. Much more efficient at moving freight than a Government Bureaucracy. And greener.

Yes public transportation is useful in what half a percent of the land mass in the US and then only for 2/3 of the day at most

Uhhh yes, I am pretty sure that is why the the poster up there said we need better public transportation. Our freight rail infrastructure is a different story though, second to none, the best and most efficient in the world. Because it is private, ie, not funded by taxes. Perhaps if we ran our transportation infrastructure that way.....

 

[StageLeft]

Not right now. The economy doesn't need more taxes. Too bad so much of the country's wealth was mortgaged (literally and figuratively) away when times were good and the budget was not put in balance. Now that deficit spending makes more sense, it's less sufferable than before, but still the low energy right now is going to be very helpful in freeing up monies people can use on other things.

 

[Zebo]

I'm totally for it, have been for 20 years, but of course the Saudi lobby and right wing in this country will have no part of it.

If we'd done 25 cents a year 20 years ago we'd all be driving silent electric cars breathing clean air and Saudis can pound sand instead of funding global jihad.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I'm totally for it, have been for 20 years, but of course the Saudi lobby and right wing in this country will have no part of it.

If we'd done 25 cents a year 20 years ago we'd all be driving silent electric cars breathing clean air and Saudis can pound sand instead of funding global jihad.

Really? you sure about that?

How do you think the electricity would be generated to pay for said vehicles?

More electricity required=more production required=more coal burning= dirty air.

not to mention a revamp of the electrical grid to compensate for the additional demands of people plugging in their cars every night.

Everyone talks how great electric cars are....how many have driven one when the roads are covered in snow?

See the idea of electric cars is all nice and cute when you live in a warm climate 365 a year, but what about states where 1/2-3/4 of the year bad weather is the norm?

So this utopia of all of us driving our quiet electric cars gives a nice warm fuzzy feeling...in reality, it is impractical for a majority of the people.

 

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Zebo
I'm totally for it, have been for 20 years, but of course the Saudi lobby and right wing in this country will have no part of it.

If we'd done 25 cents a year 20 years ago we'd all be driving silent electric cars breathing clean air and Saudis can pound sand instead of funding global jihad.

Really? you sure about that?

How do you think the electricity would be generated to pay for said vehicles?

More electricity required=more production required=more coal burning= dirty air.

not to mention a revamp of the electrical grid to compensate for the additional demands of people plugging in their cars every night.

Everyone talks how great electric cars are....how many have driven one when the roads are covered in snow?

See the idea of electric cars is all nice and cute when you live in a warm climate 365 a year, but what about states where 1/2-3/4 of the year bad weather is the norm?

So this utopia of all of us driving our quiet electric cars gives a nice warm fuzzy feeling...in reality, it is impractical for a majority of the people.

Even if electric cars hadn't picked up the gas tax would have still been a good thing. Cars would have been more fuel efficient which in turn mean less $ to the terrorists.

 

[crisscross]

dp

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Zebo
I'm totally for it, have been for 20 years, but of course the Saudi lobby and right wing in this country will have no part of it.

If we'd done 25 cents a year 20 years ago we'd all be driving silent electric cars breathing clean air and Saudis can pound sand instead of funding global jihad.

Really? you sure about that?

How do you think the electricity would be generated to pay for said vehicles?

More electricity required=more production required=more coal burning= dirty air.

not to mention a revamp of the electrical grid to compensate for the additional demands of people plugging in their cars every night.

Everyone talks how great electric cars are....how many have driven one when the roads are covered in snow?

See the idea of electric cars is all nice and cute when you live in a warm climate 365 a year, but what about states where 1/2-3/4 of the year bad weather is the norm?

So this utopia of all of us driving our quiet electric cars gives a nice warm fuzzy feeling...in reality, it is impractical for a majority of the people.

Even if electric cars hadn't picked up the gas tax would have still been a good thing. Cars would have been more fuel efficient which in turn mean less $ to the terrorists.

no, not really...see back about 30 years ago we went through this thing where OPEC had our nuts in a vice when they decided to cut off our oil supply. It was a real pain in the ass compared to what we went through the last couple of years.

Know what the car companies did?...they went from the gas hogs of the late 60's & 70's and decided made smaller cars like the Chevette, the Gremlin, the Pinto etc. Honda really blossomed so did Toyota as well as a few other small car makers.

Then the oil dropped and so did the gas and they started making bigger and bigger cars...Americans over time forgot what it was like. Now we have come full circle and are bound to repeat the process.


And gas is just a small part of the picture.....what about safety?

How safe to you think you will feel hauling your family around in a slot car when there are plenty of weighty gas fueled vehicles still on the road that have idiots behind the wheel?

A good, solid, structurally sound vehicle will only go so far on a battery.

it is a great idea to have our roads filled with silent, fuel efficient cars that don't pollute the air...but there are too many variables aside from human stubbornness to make that a reality.

You know what else will give less $ to terrorists?....drilling our own oil but that will never happen either.

 

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: Jiggz

Originally posted by: boomerang
Anyone with a vehicle that gets over 30 miles to a gallon should have to pay an annual surcharge of $1500 to $2000. They're using less gas and aren't contributing their fair share to the maintenance of our highway system.

Why penalize everyone for the mis-deeds of the greenies? If you want fuel efficiency, you've gotta pay.

So we should be charging 10X more for motorcycles? What about the bicyclist who doesn't pay a darn thing both in gas and road taxes, but also uses the road? Should we tax it a 1000X more?
Believe it or not this is nothing but a prelude to the so called 3M jobs the next administration was bragging about. It's nothing but the same old trick, "Rob Peter to feed Paul"!

My post was sarcasm. I was trying to point out that less gas consumed leads to less money for infrastructure. It was also the counterpoint to the post above it.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Zebo
I'm totally for it, have been for 20 years, but of course the Saudi lobby and right wing in this country will have no part of it.

If we'd done 25 cents a year 20 years ago we'd all be driving silent electric cars breathing clean air and Saudis can pound sand instead of funding global jihad.

Really? you sure about that?

How do you think the electricity would be generated to pay for said vehicles?

More electricity required=more production required=more coal burning= dirty air.

You talk like these are absolutes. That "more" coal equates to "more" gas. How much more coal (or nuclear) will have to be burned to offset the gas savings?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: babylon5
America has been spoiled by having the cheapest gasoline price in the world.

A lower price than say... Venezuela?