We now have Trump 2024 Flags!

[Puffnstuff]

Here in NE FL trumpers never took their flags down.

 

[trenchfoot]

Trumpers were ecstatic when he won the presidency based purely on a pack of whopping lies that conned enough people to get a win. Well since he lost his last try, got impeached twice and mounted a failed insurrection in order to keep his job, that ecstasy of theirs turned into a special kind of defiance that literally defies logic and common sense.

Trump's base locked themselves in a dungeon Donny boy built for them, threw away the key and are now awaiting for The Orange One's resurrection with the aid and abetting of their reps in DC still trying to prove that Trump got his election stolen from him by mounting a slow-mo coup of their very own.

This is what the Dems are up against where no matter what they accomplish for the people of the nation, what matters more is a belief that misinformation and lies that appeal to raw emotions is preferrable, that doom and gloom is the decider over facts and truths, that being confused and feeling vulnerable is the fault of the those being victimized by those very same lies and misinformation and not of the accusers spreading such falsehoods.

 

[Viper1j]

Just drove out into the middle of nowhere (rural) to look at a used Ford Focus. On the way back, I went past a small town hardware store that had this sign out front:

"We Now have Trump 2024 Flags!!!"

And so it begins......

Cool beans! Now I know where to go if the stores run out of toilet paper.

 

[hal2kilo]

GOP gov telling the truth.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521610551930982400

That makes 3 sane, but still conservative Republicans. This includes Cheney and Kinsinger.

 

[gothuevos]

GOP gov telling the truth.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521610551930982400

Welp, his political future is over.

 

[trenchfoot]

Amazing it is how desperate Repubs are toward seizing power that they would commit treason and sedition in order to accomplish it or support it by their silence. They rally around the Big Lie meme in order to give themselves excuses for why they lost control of the gov't in 2020 and an all-in existential cause to take control back, as if it were impossible for them to lose if the elections were fair while they attempt to be as unfair as possible to rig their way to electoral victories.

Sometimes I wonder why that is and eventually give up the notion realizing that the moment they chose Trump, of all the most unqualified, most criminal, most dangerously incompetent narcissist megalomaniacs they could anoint as Leader ad Infinitum, all of their abilities to be self-aware were lost to a singular fear and hate driven cause as they casually toss aside the way too-many REAL instances of Trump's criminality and his real threat to the security of the nation.

I marvel at the mental conditioning they have gone through in order to behave that way, where common sense and logic have been replaced with this form of mass-hypnosis, this rigorous mind altering regimen they've been put through in order to become as thoughtless and single-minded as they have.

 

[gothuevos]

Amazing it is how desperate Repubs are toward seizing power that they would commit treason and sedition in order to accomplish it or support it by their silence. They rally around the Big Lie meme in order to give themselves excuses for why they lost control of the gov't in 2020 and an all-in existential cause to take control back, as if it were impossible for them to lose if the elections were fair while they attempt to be as unfair as possible to rig their way to electoral victories.

Sometimes I wonder why that is and eventually give up the notion realizing that the moment they chose Trump, of all the most unqualified, most criminal, most dangerously incompetent narcissist megalomaniacs they could anoint as Leader ad Infinitum, all of their abilities to be self-aware were lost to a singular fear and hate driven cause as they casually toss aside the way too-many REAL instances of Trump's criminality and his real threat to the security of the nation.

I marvel at the mental conditioning they have gone through in order to behave that way, where common sense and logic have been replaced with this form of mass-hypnosis, this rigorous mind altering regimen they've been put through in order to become as thoughtless and single-minded as they have.

It's an answer as old as time: money and power.

 

[Amol S.]

Forgot he sat that one out.

Just to let you know, you just blew the chance of gaining back the little speck of brain power we thought you had the moment you posted this. You had your chance to say that you meant 2020 instead of 2016.

 

[Amol S.]

How many of you have voted for those running for president who were not from one of the 2 main parties? My wife and I have, several times. Libertarian, green and Perot's Reform party back in '92. I have also voted for both Democrats and Republicans, depending on what my research has told me about the particular candidates.

I don't feel that either of the two main parties is very close to my personal beliefs. Libertarian is probably closest. I have a Bachelor's degree in Environmental Studies, and we do our part with composting, driving cars that get at least 40 mpg, capturing rainwater, and other choices we make to minimize our environmental impact.

However, I've also seen the other side of the coin. Most of my relatives are farmers. One local government agency told my uncle that he had to set aside a certain lowland area of his property, telling him to plant a certain type of shrub there. He did so, at considerable time and expense. In less than 6 months, another government agency came through and destroyed the entire planting, putting in drainage for the township.

It was an example of how stupidly government is organized, and how they put things into effect without communicating with each other. It reinforced my thought that a lot of government regulations and programs are wasteful and ineffectively run.

Yes, I'm a gun rights advocate. I believe that just about everyone should be able to own and use a gun for hunting or target practice. Both sets of my grandparents had guns. My dad has a couple of guns. Personally, so far I only have a BB gun that we use with the kids for target practice when we go camping.

I'm also one of those rare environmentalists who feel that next generation nuclear needs to be a big part of decreasing the amount of carbon dioxide we are putting into the atmosphere. Nuclear is natural/green, and natural nuclear reactions have been happening within the earth's crust for eons, heating water naturally.

So yeah, I'm an environmentalist who is for nuclear power, gun rights, and I have a libertarian worldview. I also don't believe that our country's founders would have supported us having a permanent, standing military force, and that doing so makes it more likely that we end up more in debt, involved in overseas struggles.

Does the government own the farm land papers your uncle worked on? If no, then the government has no right to do something on your uncle's property with out his permission. Your uncle has the right to sue. If the governement does have the land ownership, then the government has the right to do what ever they want with that property. They could even conduct a 2024 Biden Campaighn stop in your uncle's back yard if they wanted to.

The problem with nuclear energy is the possibility of a nuclear meltdown.

 

[nakedfrog]

Does the government own the farm land papers your uncle worked on? If no, then the government has no right to do something on your uncle's property with out his permission. Your uncle has the right to sue. If the governement does have the land ownership, then the government has the right to do what ever they want with that property. They could even conduct a 2024 Biden Campaighn stop in your uncle's back yard if they wanted to.

The problem with nuclear energy is the possibility of a nuclear meltdown.

...also the problem of what to do with the nuclear waste, but that's part of what newer gen nuclear power is aiming to address.

 

[nOOky]

I asked my boss, who is a Trump supporter, about his logic. I said "if you see real video evidence that people rioted to storm the capitol to overturn the election, you don't believe it, and dismiss it with a wave. Yet you will watch a made up film named 2,000 Mules about ballot stuffing and proclaim it as real evidence, even though they may have been stuffing Republican ballots, not Democrat ballots". To which he responds "well everyone knows the capitol was just a march, and those fuckers murdered Ashlee Babbitt in cold blood. But 2,000 Mules is verified proof that the Democrats cheated, and we won't let that happen again".

Fucking nuts, right?

 

[VW MAN]

I asked my boss, who is a Trump supporter, about his logic. I said "if you see real video evidence that people rioted to storm the capitol to overturn the election, you don't believe it, and dismiss it with a wave. Yet you will watch a made up film named 2,000 Mules about ballot stuffing and proclaim it as real evidence, even though they may have been stuffing Republican ballots, not Democrat ballots". To which he responds "well everyone knows the capitol was just a march, and those fuckers murdered Ashlee Babbitt in cold blood. But 2,000 Mules is verified proof that the Democrats cheated, and we won't let that happen again".

Fucking nuts, right?

I would stop working for that stupid son of a bitch on the spot...I suggest you start looking elsewhere.

 

[trenchfoot]

I asked my boss, who is a Trump supporter, about his logic. I said "if you see real video evidence that people rioted to storm the capitol to overturn the election, you don't believe it, and dismiss it with a wave. Yet you will watch a made up film named 2,000 Mules about ballot stuffing and proclaim it as real evidence, even though they may have been stuffing Republican ballots, not Democrat ballots". To which he responds "well everyone knows the capitol was just a march, and those fuckers murdered Ashlee Babbitt in cold blood. But 2,000 Mules is verified proof that the Democrats cheated, and we won't let that happen again".

Fucking nuts, right?

Stubborn as a 5 yr. old spoiled brat that knowingly wants something that's quite dangerous to themselves and will dig their heels in deeper and deeper the more they realize how foolish they are for being that way. Point being, for them there is no redeeming themselves in the eyes of those who question their illogical motives so why even try. Better to double down, hunker down, stick their chests and chins out in a false sense of righteous defiance and flip off the world for the feels.

 

[gothuevos]

I asked my boss, who is a Trump supporter, about his logic. I said "if you see real video evidence that people rioted to storm the capitol to overturn the election, you don't believe it, and dismiss it with a wave. Yet you will watch a made up film named 2,000 Mules about ballot stuffing and proclaim it as real evidence, even though they may have been stuffing Republican ballots, not Democrat ballots". To which he responds "well everyone knows the capitol was just a march, and those fuckers murdered Ashlee Babbitt in cold blood. But 2,000 Mules is verified proof that the Democrats cheated, and we won't let that happen again".

Fucking nuts, right?

Tell your boss to calm down, his/her side is literally all but guaranteed to be handed all 3 branches of govt by 2024, and to hold onto it for the foreseeable future.

Really still confused as to why they are so angry all the time.

 

[nakedfrog]

Tell your boss to calm down, his/her side is literally all but guaranteed to be handed all 3 branches of govt by 2024, and to hold onto it for the foreseeable future.

Really still confused as to why they are so angry all the time.

You think they're angry now, just wait until they don't have the libs to blame all their problems on.
Oh, wait, I guess that's probably when they start the culling.

 

[trenchfoot]

Tell your boss to calm down, his/her side is literally all but guaranteed to be handed all 3 branches of govt by 2024, and to hold onto it for the foreseeable future.

Really still confused as to why they are so angry all the time.

They were conditioned that way in order for them to ignore the reality that they're working against their own best interests every time they vote for party and not for country. Most if not all of them have no real honest reason to be that way other than to support the lies and misinformation they've been suckered into ranting on and on about as part of their leadership's efforts to keep them penned up and ignorant of the real world around them.

A lot of them have decided that if the real world makes them feel uncomfortable all they need to do is make one up that conforms to the false narratives they're stuck with, disingenuous narratives that make them feel weak, defenseless, threatened and victimized by the gays, the liberals, the socialists and the brown folks from behind The Southern Wall that Trump built that he promised them would prevent those murdering child rapists from invading "our country".

As silly as that sounds, they now have a rigged Supreme Court that will back up and effectuate that ridiculously racist and religiously oriented party platform of theirs in lieu of any policies that would benefit the working class and the poor more than it would the very wealthy who need no welfare from the gov't yet demands it be first in line to receive it and fuck off to all those peasants who need to know their place in the scheme of things.

 

[A///]

Lies were a large part. I think most people on the left, including myself back then, were lying to themselves if they thought Clinton was well received by those on the left. I knew of plenty who begrudgingly voted for Clinton despite not being a fan of her or those who abstained from voting and thought it was going to be smooth sailing for her to the finish line. For all intents and purposes, Clinton has had an amazing career, but she isn't likeable on a human level to some on the left. I couldn't give two shits what a right-winger thinks of her or her husband.

Do you really expect to gain any insight from people who protest and whine about millionaires or even billionaires facing higher tax rates when they themselves barely cross the 35K a year line working their asses off like a horse under the grueling summer sun?

 

[nOOky]

I would stop working for that stupid son of a bitch on the spot...I suggest you start looking elsewhere.

No, we have many back and forths, sometimes he'll talk politics for a half hour at a crack. I always counter his bs with factual points, which is a lot. His boss is the same way, but I suspect I'll be in line for my bosses boss job rather soon. I have left his office with him shaking mad about abortion when I call unborn babies just a cluster of cells, yet I still get good reviews and raises. He is an excellent engineer, but politically whacked out. Hard to believe how people can be like that.

 

[Amol S.]

- why not just go all the way and sell the "Trump For Life"

Depending on how you read it you can sell it to libs or puns...

Apparently the Governor of Oklahoma already did that by renaming the stretch of US-287 highway in Cimarron County, from Boise City to the Oklahoma-Texas border of the county as "President Donald J. Trump Highway".

Oklahoma panhandle to get 'President Donald J. Trump Highway' due to GOP-backed bill

Oklahoma will name a roughly 20-mile stretch of a panhandle highway after former President Donald Trump.

www.oklahoman.com

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Apparently the Governor of Oklahoma already did that by renaming the stretch of US-287 highway in Cimarron County, from Boise City to the Oklahoma-Texas border of the county as "President Donald J. Trump Highway".

Oklahoma panhandle to get 'President Donald J. Trump Highway' due to GOP-backed bill

Oklahoma will name a roughly 20-mile stretch of a panhandle highway after former President Donald Trump.

www.oklahoman.com

- A 20 mile stretch of highway for a President? Sounds like one hell of an underhanded compliment.

Wonder if he would have gotten 40 miles if he was a two termer...

 

[Muse]

Yea. Dems are going to get trounced come election time. I fully expect the house, senate and presidency to go full Republican. With high inflation, the war in Ukraine, high gas prices, and so on. These are all going to be used against democrats effectively, and it's going to be a nightmare. I also expect Trump to get into office for a second term barring any health issues.

you sir are mad

 

[Muse]

Yeah... Not putting a hate symbol on my car to stay out of a speeding ticket.

personally I do that by not speeding.

 

[pmv]

Clinton has had an amazing career, but she isn't likeable on a human level to some on the left.

I find that an odd comment. Do you really mean "likeable on a human level"?

I never really found her likeable or not-likeable 'on a human level'. Really had, and still have, no feelings about her either way as a person. I just found her ideologically very right-wing (e.g. her vote on cluster bomb exports or her support for cuts to AFDC or her 'superpredators' comments, or her closeness to the war criminal Kissinger). Most of all, she seemed to me to be a war-monger to a degree that was a bit scary (both Clintons really loved dropping bombs on people, especially brown, foreign people).

"Likability" on that personal level never entered into it either way, I have almost no sense of what she's like "on a human level", it's about politics.

I don't have a vote in US elections but I did argue for US friends to hold their nose and vote for her (rather than the Green Party, as a couple were considering), on the same basis I'll vote for Starmer's Labour (even though I'm not impressed with his decidedly bland uninspiring leadership, and the way he seems more focused on picking fights with the left than actually opposing the Tories). You vote for the least bad option because the other lot are so appalling, that's just the reality of it.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I find that an odd comment. Do you really mean "likeable on a human level"?

I never really found her likeable or not-likeable 'on a human level'. Really had, and still have, no feelings about her either way as a person. I just found her ideologically very right-wing (e.g. her vote on cluster bomb exports or her support for cuts to AFDC or her 'superpredators' comments, or her closeness to the war criminal Kissinger). Most of all, she seemed to me to be a war-monger to a degree that was a bit scary (both Clintons really loved dropping bombs on people, especially brown, foreign people).

"Likability" on that personal level never entered into it either way, I have almost no sense of what she's like "on a human level", it's about politics.

I don't have a vote in US elections but I did argue for US friends to hold their nose and vote for her (rather than the Green Party, as a couple were considering), on the same basis I'll vote for Starmer's Labour (even though I'm not impressed with his decidedly bland uninspiring leadership, and the way he seems more focused on picking fights with the left than actually opposing the Tories). You vote for the least bad option because the other lot are so appalling, that's just the reality of it.

- Yeah this "likability" thing is the bane of democratic politics. I don't know these people, never met them, never did business with them, never had dinner with them, they've never had my back and I've never had theirs. They're complete strangers to me and what I get is a media prepped and packed product, not a person.

Its really infuriating watching people "fall in love" with their candidates. I'll be honest, it pissed me off when people did the whole "Obama so handsome, he can do no wrong" thing while the dude was signing off on drone striking little kids, or listening to others swoon for the "real deal, honest Mitt Romney" the venture capitalist or "the outsider who has the little guy's interests at heart" Donald Trump who... we won't even go into the litany here.

Problem is, that's how a lot of people think. They form an emotional connection with a blank slate, project their own thoughts/fears/wants/desires on an empty shell that takes no stances and says pretty nothings.

 

[Muse]

I find that an odd comment. Do you really mean "likeable on a human level"?

I never really found her likeable or not-likeable 'on a human level'. Really had, and still have, no feelings about her either way as a person. I just found her ideologically very right-wing (e.g. her vote on cluster bomb exports or her support for cuts to AFDC or her 'superpredators' comments, or her closeness to the war criminal Kissinger). Most of all, she seemed to me to be a war-monger to a degree that was a bit scary (both Clintons really loved dropping bombs on people, especially brown, foreign people).

"Likability" on that personal level never entered into it either way, I have almost no sense of what she's like "on a human level", it's about politics.

I don't have a vote in US elections but I did argue for US friends to hold their nose and vote for her (rather than the Green Party, as a couple were considering), on the same basis I'll vote for Starmer's Labour (even though I'm not impressed with his decidedly bland uninspiring leadership, and the way he seems more focused on picking fights with the left than actually opposing the Tories). You vote for the least bad option because the other lot are so appalling, that's just the reality of it.

Hillary Clinton was a 1000x better idea than her opponent.