We The People: National Popular Vote!

[Moonbeam]

Reasonable people see this for exactly what it is, angry Democrats changing a law so it becomes easier to manipulate it in the future. How many people really believe that the extra 1,400,000 or so votes in Los Angeles County are actually legitimate? Other then the few Democrat and liberal posters in this forum.

I looked into this and discovered that if you take out all the illegal votes Clinton got Trump won the popular vote by exactly one vote.

 

[MrSquished]

Considering California had issued 605,000 driver's licenses to illegal immigrants in the first year of AB 60 passing (2015), and considering that obtaining a driver's license in California automatically registers you to vote, we Trump supporters definitely do not believe all those votes are legitimate.

What are the results for Obama in 2012 vs Clinton in 2016?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Considering California had issued 605,000 driver's licenses to illegal immigrants in the first year of AB 60 passing (2015), and considering that obtaining a driver's license in California automatically registers you to vote, we Trump supporters definitely do not believe all those votes are legitimate.

Of course you don't. You also won't need any proof at all that any of those people actually voted to convince yourself that they influenced the election results. It's a perfectly enclosed bubble.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

What are the results for Obama in 2012 vs Clinton in 2016?

Fewer blacks voted for Clinton. Also, fewer whites voted for Clinton.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Of course you don't. You also won't need any proof at all that any of those people actually voted to convince yourself that they influenced the election results. It's a perfectly enclosed bubble.

Do you think that any of those 650,000 illegal aliens that were registered to vote and received the voting documents voted ?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Do you think that any of those 650,000 illegal aliens that were registered to vote and received the voting documents voted ?

I don't know. Fortunately there's a voting record so it is easily determined if they did. Do you have any evidence that they did? Feelings don't really matter on the subject.

 

[fskimospy]

Reasonable people see this for exactly what it is, angry Democrats changing a law so it becomes easier to manipulate it in the future. How many people really believe that the extra 1,400,000 or so votes in Los Angeles County are actually legitimate? Other then the few Democrat and liberal posters in this forum.

Good news for you, if you have literally any evidence of illegal voting on this scale you can probably make millions of dollars from the resulting media frenzy. Since you believe only the most unreasonable people could believe otherwise presumably this evidence will be easy to find. When will you report back?

It never ceases to amaze me how many people just assume that the rest of the country believes the same fairy tales they do.

 

[fskimospy]

Considering California had issued 605,000 driver's licenses to illegal immigrants in the first year of AB 60 passing (2015), and considering that obtaining a driver's license in California automatically registers you to vote, we Trump supporters definitely do not believe all those votes are legitimate.

This is false.

Obtaining an AB60 license is not a valid document for voter registration purposes and obtaining a license does not automatically register you to vote. What happens is that everyone's data is forwarded to the elections office where AB60 holders are screened out.

You were duped again. I mean how do people believe this nonsense?

 

[fskimospy]

I don't know. Fortunately there's a voting record so it is easily determined if they did. Do you have any evidence that they did? Feelings don't really matter on the subject.

And if someone did uncover that happening, which would be easy to do, it would be nationwide news.

I'm sure they just haven't gotten around to it yet and it will happen annnnnny day now. Hahaha.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

It never ceases to amaze me how many people just assume that the rest of the country believes the same fairy tales they do.

You're right, we don't believe that Clinton honestly won the popular vote.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

You were duped again. I mean how do people believe this nonsense?

Obama says illegals can vote without fear

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Maybe we can have a new group, "undocumented voters". That way we won't hurt their feelings with the mean "fraudulent voters" or "illegal voters" name. After all they've already shown how much they respect the laws and rules in terms of legal immigration.

 

[fskimospy]

Obama says illegals can vote without fear

Duped again.

http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Maybe we can have a new group, "undocumented voters". That way we won't hurt their feelings with the mean "fraudulent voters" or "illegal voters" name. After all they've already shown how much they respect the laws and rules in terms of legal immigration.

Well. To have a group you'll first have to show there are voters. Notice none of you have actually provided any evidence of that part. Just keep repeating the feeling like fact though.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Lol, the new Snopes

 

[Blue_Max]

Lol, the new Snopes

Yep. Great source for progressives, since progressives do all the writing for it now.
Not biased at all.

Anyone remember 'truth' being an absolute, not subjective or interpretation?

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Duped again.

http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

From the interview:

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

Why would any legal citizen fear being deported?

 

[fskimospy]

Yep. Great source for progressives, since progressives do all the writing for it now.
Not biased at all.

Anyone remember 'truth' being an absolute, not subjective or interpretation?

Hahaha! You morons share a Fox News clip from YouTube and then whine about bias when it's shown to be bullshit.

It makes so much sense why those Macedonians targeted American conservatives. You are the world's easiest marks.

 

[senseamp]

Fellow Democrats, we need to stop whining about the Electoral College, and start winning small rural states.
If you think that some other state is getting a sweet deal from more political power, just move there. But the reality is that these states are falling far behind under Republican control, and Democrats should not just give up on them, but should go there, present an alternative, and work to win them.

 

[fskimospy]

From the interview:

Why would any legal citizen fear being deported?

No diverting. You've now posted two separate false things and haven't admitted to either.

 

[brycejones]

No diverting. You've now posted two separate false things and haven't admitted to either.

You are responding to the shit stain who wants a 21st century crusade. Mouse is a total whack job.

 

[Victorian Gray]

...says the side who just passed a law to protect their preferred gender pronouns.

liar

 

[umbrella39]

Obama says illegals can vote without fear

Still dragging this BS out, pathetic...

 

[lopri]

Reasonable people see this for exactly what it is, angry Democrats changing a law so it becomes easier to manipulate it in the future. How many people really believe that the extra 1,400,000 or so votes in Los Angeles County are actually legitimate? Other then the few Democrat and liberal posters in this forum.

This is an incorrect argument. Those 1.4M votes are worth exactly as much as the votes cast in rural counties in Southern California in deciding who won California. What is true is that votes cast by rural folks in California are worth much less than the folks in Tennessee's both urban and rural folks.

Also, the argument that the electoral college imbalance is the liberal's fault because the liberals tend to live in concentrated urban areas is also mostly incorrect. Congressional districts are governed by "one person, one vote." The states cannot discriminate against urban votes and favor rural votes. In other words, New York cannot privileges the voters in Manhattan at the cost of voters in upstate New York or vice versa. That is against the constitution interpreted by the SCOTUS. See Reynolds v. Sims.

I say "mostly" because the "one person, one vote" rule is not applied by the courts with mathmatic precision. So there are actually large variations. Furthermore, both parties gerrymander have distorted districts but Republican's gerrymandering have been particularly egregious. Their constant attempt to dilute urban votes are a driving force that creates the electoral discrepancy with popular votes. It is not a coincidence that the GOP also overperforms in House of Representatives.

So, no, there is no principle undergirding the Constitution that says rural votes are more important than "one person, one vote." Not since 1962. see Baker v. Carr.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

From the interview:



Why would any legal citizen fear being deported?

Because they aren't legal citizens and shouldn't be voting. They know what they were doing was illegal (kind of like them being in this country) but wanted to know if they might be prosecuted for it.