Wearing a swastika in public.

[darkswordsman17]

Is it any different then dressing up to renact a the south in a civil war re-enactment? Do we hate people who wear the uniforms of people who shot POWs based only on the color of their skin?

Er, what? WTF does that have to do with anything in the post you quoted?

To answer your question though, yes it is different. Historical re-enactment has value. Certainly, I do not agree with the people that try and use it as revisionist history to paint the Confederacy as some noble cause and pretend that the Civil War wasn't explicitly about slavery. But your entire point isn't really comparable to this.

Assuming the OP isn't just making this up, he's clearly not doing this for any sort of historical context or anything beyond simple stupid entertainment (shock value to him is about all I can think of that it offers). While, I could see the viewpoint that since Nazis are such a well established common enemy in video games that it could be construed as harmless, but him going out of his way to mention public transportation just shows his intentions are not so innocent. As pointed out, this is just a bad idea that any rational person would have scrapped immediately, or come up with a costume that explicitly shows him as an enemy from a game, drop the Swastika or even just waiting until he actually got to the place to put the "costume" on.

I mean, come on, just see this and you can tell the OP's intentions.

I don't know if it might not be a bad idea to wear a swastika decal on my Stahlhelm either, but I just want to see what people think of this.

Would I get beaten up by a bunch of anti-skinheads or anti-racist activists on my way home?

 

[sourceninja]

Er, what? WTF does that have to do with anything in the post you quoted?

To answer your question though, yes it is different. Historical re-enactment has value. Certainly, I do not agree with the people that try and use it as revisionist history to paint the Confederacy as some noble cause and pretend that the Civil War wasn't explicitly about slavery. But your entire point isn't really comparable to this.

Assuming the OP isn't just making this up, he's clearly not doing this for any sort of historical context or anything beyond simple stupid entertainment (shock value to him is about all I can think of that it offers). While, I could see the viewpoint that since Nazis are such a well established common enemy in video games that it could be construed as harmless, but him going out of his way to mention public transportation just shows his intentions are not so innocent. As pointed out, this is just a bad idea that any rational person would have scrapped immediately, or come up with a costume that explicitly shows him as an enemy from a game, drop the Swastika or even just waiting until he actually got to the place to put the "costume" on.

I mean, come on, just see this and you can tell the OP's intentions.

So it's only ok if you believe it has value. If it is a form you do not believe has value then you are against it?

 

[gorcorps]

The new Captain America movie had a shitload of Germans in it, and took place during that time period. You do not see a single swastika the entire movie. Even though they were the right time period and character they still didn't do it, they used a different symbol. There's very good reasons why they did this, and the fact that you have to ask means even if I explained it you wouldn't get it.

So, I recommend you just use the symbol they used in the movie. For one, you don't have to worry about offending people (unless you act the part as well). Two, you still get to wear the cool uniform. Three, you're now more of a comic book/movie character which makes a LOT more sense from a cosplay aspect.

 

[darkswordsman17]

So it's only ok if you believe it has value. If it is a form you do not believe has value then you are against it?

Are you incapable of rationalization?

So, I take it you condemn actors that portray confederates in movies as well? You can't comprehend that it is in fact possible to portray something and highlight why its wrong versus glorifying it? Its even possible to partake in a battle re-enactment and play the "enemy" just with wanting to better comprehend things (history, battle strategy, realistic life for a soldier of that time, etc). Hell, its possible to partake in a re-enactment as a Confederate solider just because they need someone to play that role (what good is a re-enactment if its just one side running around killing invisible enemies).

 

[lord_emperor]

Nazi Germany can't be allowed to ruin certain things forever.

Cool uniforms? Can't wear 'em because they're offensive.

Certain moustashe style? Best not keep your moustache like that because it's offensive. Best not even let your kitten's fur colouring resemble that!

Simple symbol used by many other cultures before and after WWII? Really better not use that because it's offensive.

I'm sure plenty of other cultures have done more horrible things than Nazi Germany, but no one would be offended if you dressed up as an Egyptian or a Roman or a Hun or Aztec.

TLR let stuff go.

 

[TheVrolok]

My reply was to your post about why you created this post(the Swastika outside of Nazism) which contradicts your OP. Wearing a German soliders uniform with a swastika represents Nazism even if you don't think it does. So, you're either trolling or retarded.

I think you summed it up here.

 

[Tiamat]

should blend in at the con, but getting to the con and getting home is going to be a different story...

 

[WelshBloke]

You can wear it, just don't cry if someone decides to beat the crap out of you.

 

[sourceninja]

Are you incapable of rationalization?

So, I take it you condemn actors that portray confederates in movies as well? You can't comprehend that it is in fact possible to portray something and highlight why its wrong versus glorifying it? Its even possible to partake in a battle re-enactment and play the "enemy" just with wanting to better comprehend things (history, battle strategy, realistic life for a soldier of that time, etc). Hell, its possible to partake in a re-enactment as a Confederate solider just because they need someone to play that role (what good is a re-enactment if its just one side running around killing invisible enemies).

You missed my point entirely. My point is that I do not see any value in civil war re-enactment. I think they do it just to glorify a horrible violent time in american history. So it's just as bad.

(I dont' actually think that, but I'm trying to point out that "value" is not a good measure of what should be censored).

If that isn't clear. Then I give up.

 

[Genx87]

I didnt read this thread. But chances are a lot of people wont even recognize the swastika under the eagle. It isnt like you are wearing a party badge or arm band.

 

[XX55XX]

I haven't bought the uniform yet. I have the helmet, so if I needed to reroll as a Freikorps soldier or something by buying some WWI gear, I can.

The reason I posted this was because I wanted to see how people might react to this. I may have embellished my OP a bit too much - for example, I planned on wearing a jacket over my tunic during transit to and from the con.

But, still, it's interesting to see people's perspectives on the topic, and I thank everyone for offering their perspectives.

At the same time, however, I will say that I don't like political correctness. Most people are not offended by the swastika. They are anxious about it because they fear others might be offended by it. And so on.

 

[Brainonska511]

Most people are not offended by the swastika

Where did you get this notion?

Edit:
They may not be offended when they see it on the History Channel or in some movie, but I bet they would be fairly offended if they saw some skin-head wannabe walking down the street.

 

[Genx87]

Where did you get this notion?

Edit:
They may not be offended when they see it on the History Channel or in some movie, but I bet they would be fairly offended if they saw some skin-head wannabe walking down the street.

When I see skinheads with swastikas I think "What an effing moron". Most skinheads are anarachist and they subscribe to an ideology that preached a totalitarian state. But hardly am I offended.

 

[Brainonska511]

When I see skinheads with swastikas I think "What an effing moron". Most skinheads are anarachist and they subscribe to an ideology that preached a totalitarian state. But hardly am I offended.

I guess you're right, it is somewhat about context.

 

[XX55XX]

Where did you get this notion?

Edit:
They may not be offended when they see it on the History Channel or in some movie, but I bet they would be fairly offended if they saw some skin-head wannabe walking down the street.

If I saw a bunch of neo-Nazis wearing swastika armbands prancing around preaching that America is for white people only, then I would be deeply offended, since I am not white.

But, I went to AnimeBoston a few years ago where there were quite a few Nazi cosplayers around, armbands included. Some even did the "Heil Hitler" salute. I wasn't offended there.

 

[sandorski]

Shens.

I move for a Ban on the grounds that the OP is Trolling and just being an Asshat.

 

[sourceninja]

Where did you get this notion?

Edit:
They may not be offended when they see it on the History Channel or in some movie, but I bet they would be fairly offended if they saw some skin-head wannabe walking down the street.

If I saw a man in full WW2 military dress, I wouldn't think he's a skinhead any more than I think a guy in Civil war gear is a Confederate soldier. (Cause if I did, I'd have to shoot him on sight to prevent the south from rising again.)

 

[SagaLore]

Sigh. Time to update the creep list.

Wearing a swastika in public.
Where I buy a decent trench coat?
Thoughts on pedophilia.
Browsing the deep web for drugs, guns, and cheap women.
Getting back into digital photography again. Need some camera suggestions.
What are you dressing up as this Halloween?
Aquascutum - good brand for trench coats?
In the market for a trench coat. Need suggestions.

 

[Fausto]

Sigh. Time to update the creep list.

Wearing a swastika in public.
Where I buy a decent trench coat?
Thoughts on pedophilia.
Browsing the deep web for drugs, guns, and cheap women.
Getting back into digital photography again. Need some camera suggestions.
What are you dressing up as this Halloween?
Aquascutum - good brand for trench coats?
In the market for a trench coat. Need suggestions.

If only there were individuals on this forum with the power to remove such obvious douchebags from the forum......and if only they actually paid attention to how far downhill the overall content of said forums has gone the last few years......

 

[Nintendesert]

The OP and his parent's are fucking morons. Only the sister has any sense. Good luck wearing a swastika in public, hopefully nobody pushes you in front of the bus/train.