The PROBLEM is rather that it is not always easy to moderate the intake of weed/THC since you do not know what you're getting. 25 years ago, at least where I am coming from, there was no such thing as "dabs" or super-pure weed or hash-oil etc. which is many times more potent than what stoners took decades ago.
I don't need a "mental imbalance" if I smoke weed and my heart rate suddenly goes up to 240 or higher. Panicking there would be VERY, VERY natural...and I hate to say it..especially now since we know about the first few confirmed weed deaths. (Which, mildly spoken, would not exactly help to calm down someone on weed panic/paranoia).
From what I read, this panic/paranoia is experienced by many, depending on circumstance. (Dosage, how pure the cannabis whatever). It CAN happen and it does happen and does NOT mean the one experiencing it is some looney with some pre-existing condition. Please.
Ummm, yes it does...as a smoker of 33+ yrs and of vintages from all over the world, I can assure you, as a barbiturate, it has a sedative effect...
If you experience anxiety, I would imagine you have a bit of a paranoia nature, as in all the years and all the people I have experience MJ with, not a one has had a panic attack...although I family distance family member did who already knew about there condition.
Heart rate going up to 240 on weed?.....well jeez, I guess the world is made up of lots of different people, but I honestly cant say I could ever ever see MJ as a dangerous drug....ever!
That's always been the problem with street drugs is they are "cut" so much, everyone who handles it from the top on down adds "cut" to vastly increase profit and most could give a rat's ass what side effects it has, it's all about the $$
The problem with this argument in regards to weed is that literally anything you want to "cut" or lace it with is likely more expensive than the weed itself.
25 years ago was 1989. All that stuff was widely available.
hash yes, bho no.
you'd never find shit like this 25 years ago.
By pure coincidence I planned to make a thread the last two days, topic something like "Weed - The Devil's Drug", something like that.
What brought on the idea was initially a video I came across on LL where they showed this one guy having a panic attack on "dabs" as well as my own experiences with weed A LONG, LONG time ago. (Will get to that later).
This thread just comes very convenient, along with some of the experiences here.
After I found the video on LL I also did some more research about "bad weed trips" and came along some more astonishing things. Ok, let's start from the beginning.
It was a few weeks ago where I actually read in the news of two confimed deaths which were attributed to heart-attacks after weed consumption. So in other words, THOSE deaths mentioned here in the thread are not the first ones - there is a REAL, although possibly remote danger that people who had "large amounts" of weed CAN die. FACT.
My own experience:
It is a long time ago, 25 something years, when I didn't say no to hashish/weed. We had "those friends" and I generally hung out with people you would call "alternative people", stoners, hippies, musicians etc. Everyone smoked.
One day I was home alone and I remember I made a very tiny weed cigarette. (Note that my experiences back than were mostly Hashish since hashish in Europe is/was way more common than "grass". My hashish experiences were all "pretty good" and there was hardly any negative effects as far as I recall).
This day where I made that tiny weed cigarette I remember I didn't even smoke that much since I normally am rather careful and not the type who would mindlessly "overdo" it or willingly risk something.
Shortly after I too a few puffs a really bad panic set in, heart started to race etc...the typical "weed panic" which I read on the net a lot of times now already. It was a really, really bad experience where at some point I also considered to call an ambulance, but I guess the dosage was so SMALL (I think) that the panic thankfully didn't last too long. So or so, even given the very small amount of what I smoked the experience was so bad I didn't smoke EVER again. I had plenty (!) of opportunities to smoke ever since but I am constantly kindly rejecting the offers.
In my "research" the last couple of days I came across some "bad weed trip" stories which make my bad experience pale in comparison.
In fact, I was surprised to learn my OWN experience where I freaked on weed 25 years ago was not an exception, that indeed many people had sometimes even worse experiences...AND NOT ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO SMOKING!!
I read stories of people who used to smoke up for years, almost daily, and then for some reason had a very bad "trip" with all the symptoms I mentioned and often a lot worse.
Many were convinced they were about to die or having an heart-attack, some DID in fact call ambulances etc.etc..
I read about a nurse (!!) who on one site stated she personally knows about 25 cases where weed turned people permanently into schizoid cases or at least triggered serious psychotic episodes which can often flare-up and have a deep negative impact on people's lives.
I read about people who were so high/paranoid they considered killing themselves just so the "trip" would be over, stuff like that.
People saying "you cannot OD on weed"....so what about those cases of deaths and the other cases I mentioned earlier where medical professionals concluded that the two people died from heart-failure from weed.
IT IS CORRECT that as with anything else, it's about the amount..and that "possibly" weed in moderation is no problem.
The PROBLEM is rather that it is not always easy to moderate the intake of weed/THC since you do not know what you're getting. 25 years ago, at least where I am coming from, there was no such thing as "dabs" or super-pure weed or hash-oil etc. which is many times more potent than what stoners took decades ago.
In my experience and with the friends we hung out with, weed was always seen as a "harmless" drug which is "so much better and beneficial" as compared to alcohol, let alone harder drugs. Heck I knew people who would NEVER smoke tobacco and kept smoking weed/hash whenever they could.
IMHO, it is as "harmless" as any other hallucinogen or drug, it is not "better" than alcohol or all the other myths I had to listen to.
We now have the government in some states in your country legalizing weed which I am extremely opposed to, even with otherwise very liberal stance on other issues.
I could now list many, many first-hands stories where people had really bad experiences on weed/hash etc. including where many of them also said after their experiences they actually finally understood WHY it is actually illegal.
I think it's bizarre to see people from allover coming to Colorado to get MJ "for medical reason" (what a crock of BS....medical reasons..)....and it is sanctioned now and again seen as the "better and healthier" alternative. This is unbelievable, imho.
By pure coincidence I planned to make a thread the last two days, topic something like "Weed - The Devil's Drug", something like that.
What brought on the idea was initially a video I came across on LL where they showed this one guy having a panic attack on "dabs" as well as my own experiences with weed A LONG, LONG time ago. (Will get to that later).
This thread just comes very convenient, along with some of the experiences here.
After I found the video on LL I also did some more research about "bad weed trips" and came along some more astonishing things. Ok, let's start from the beginning.
It was a few weeks ago where I actually read in the news of two confimed deaths which were attributed to heart-attacks after weed consumption. So in other words, THOSE deaths mentioned here in the thread are not the first ones - there is a REAL, although possibly remote danger that people who had "large amounts" of weed CAN die. FACT.
My own experience:
It is a long time ago, 25 something years, when I didn't say no to hashish/weed. We had "those friends" and I generally hung out with people you would call "alternative people", stoners, hippies, musicians etc. Everyone smoked.
One day I was home alone and I remember I made a very tiny weed cigarette. (Note that my experiences back than were mostly Hashish since hashish in Europe is/was way more common than "grass". My hashish experiences were all "pretty good" and there was hardly any negative effects as far as I recall).
This day where I made that tiny weed cigarette I remember I didn't even smoke that much since I normally am rather careful and not the type who would mindlessly "overdo" it or willingly risk something.
Shortly after I too a few puffs a really bad panic set in, heart started to race etc...the typical "weed panic" which I read on the net a lot of times now already. It was a really, really bad experience where at some point I also considered to call an ambulance, but I guess the dosage was so SMALL (I think) that the panic thankfully didn't last too long. So or so, even given the very small amount of what I smoked the experience was so bad I didn't smoke EVER again. I had plenty (!) of opportunities to smoke ever since but I am constantly kindly rejecting the offers.
In my "research" the last couple of days I came across some "bad weed trip" stories which make my bad experience pale in comparison.
In fact, I was surprised to learn my OWN experience where I freaked on weed 25 years ago was not an exception, that indeed many people had sometimes even worse experiences...AND NOT ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO SMOKING!!
I read stories of people who used to smoke up for years, almost daily, and then for some reason had a very bad "trip" with all the symptoms I mentioned and often a lot worse.
Many were convinced they were about to die or having an heart-attack, some DID in fact call ambulances etc.etc..
I read about a nurse (!!) who on one site stated she personally knows about 25 cases where weed turned people permanently into schizoid cases or at least triggered serious psychotic episodes which can often flare-up and have a deep negative impact on people's lives.
I read about people who were so high/paranoid they considered killing themselves just so the "trip" would be over, stuff like that.
People saying "you cannot OD on weed"....so what about those cases of deaths and the other cases I mentioned earlier where medical professionals concluded that the two people died from heart-failure from weed.
IT IS CORRECT that as with anything else, it's about the amount..and that "possibly" weed in moderation is no problem.
The PROBLEM is rather that it is not always easy to moderate the intake of weed/THC since you do not know what you're getting. 25 years ago, at least where I am coming from, there was no such thing as "dabs" or super-pure weed or hash-oil etc. which is many times more potent than what stoners took decades ago.
In my experience and with the friends we hung out with, weed was always seen as a "harmless" drug which is "so much better and beneficial" as compared to alcohol, let alone harder drugs. Heck I knew people who would NEVER smoke tobacco and kept smoking weed/hash whenever they could.
IMHO, it is as "harmless" as any other hallucinogen or drug, it is not "better" than alcohol or all the other myths I had to listen to.
We now have the government in some states in your country legalizing weed which I am extremely opposed to, even with otherwise very liberal stance on other issues.
I could now list many, many first-hands stories where people had really bad experiences on weed/hash etc. including where many of them also said after their experiences they actually finally understood WHY it is actually illegal.
I think it's bizarre to see people from allover coming to Colorado to get MJ "for medical reason" (what a crock of BS....medical reasons..)....and it is sanctioned now and again seen as the "better and healthier" alternative. This is unbelievable, imho.
Why is that? Because he mentions something which is rather inconvenient to hear?
I appreciate your input and thank you for sharing it with us. Many have read it, trust me. Furthermore, I too have suffered a panic attack or two in my 40+ years on this Earth and it was unsettling, to say the least.
The problem is that the pro pot fundamentalists will hear nothing that runs contrary to their mantra of "legalize now!"
Heck, I would love to see cigarettes become illegal nationwide. They are smelly and cause cancer. Weed makes people stupid, lazy and unproductive.
I will continue to stand up for wholesome values whenever I can. Our bodies were designed to function perfectly as is by God.
Just say no to drugs.
I appreciate your input and thank you for sharing it with us. Many have read it, trust me. Furthermore, I too have suffered a panic attack or two in my 40+ years on this Earth and it was unsettling, to say the least.
The problem is that the pro pot fundamentalists will hear nothing that runs contrary to their mantra of "legalize now!"
Heck, I would love to see cigarettes become illegal nationwide. They are smelly and cause cancer. Weed makes people stupid, lazy and unproductive.
I will continue to stand up for wholesome values whenever I can. Our bodies were designed to function perfectly as is by God.
Just say no to drugs.
The problem with this argument in regards to weed is that literally anything you want to "cut" or lace it with is likely more expensive than the weed itself.
I appreciate your input and thank you for sharing it with us. Many have read it, trust me. Furthermore, I too have suffered a panic attack or two in my 40+ years on this Earth and it was unsettling, to say the least.
The problem is that the pro pot fundamentalists will hear nothing that runs contrary to their mantra of "legalize now!"
Heck, I would love to see cigarettes become illegal nationwide. They are smelly and cause cancer. Weed makes people stupid, lazy and unproductive.
I will continue to stand up for wholesome values whenever I can. Our bodies were designed to function perfectly as is by God.
Just say no to drugs.
Yet marijuana was created by god and put on this earth by the Lord Himself. Who are you to question God? Are you a closet atheist?
Anyone else inwardly cringe and have the urge to count your fingers when some idiot on a soapbox uses that phrase?
"Stand up for wholesome values" translated means "I'd like to control what other people do", just say no to communists like YOU..
Yes, it is a plant but so is Opium and we all know how much both have been ABUSED. Unless it is proscribed by a doctor I dont think you can assert anything other than agreement with my own correct conjecture.
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Said like a true atheist with no faith in God. I'm sick of the faithless trying to sow dissension against the Lord Almighty. You will pay for your sins in Hell.
You are simply disgruntled that I dont support legalization of a substance that has been abused time and time again by people with no self control and therefore must remain illegal for the safety of our community.
Put down the pipe, Mr. Ashes. :sneaky:
You oppose wholesome values? D:
Sometimes people need to be controlled. Thats why we have laws which were derived from precepts like The Ten Commandments.
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Studies and census records show that fewer people died nationally while prohibition was in place.
there is a REAL, although possibly remote danger that people who had "large amounts" of weed CAN die. FACT.