Weird Questions: Hyundai vs. Audi

[radioouman]

The Certified warranty usually comes only with an additional $500. If you are willing to pay it, then they will make it "certified'.

 

[StageLeft]

A new Sonata vs a used A6, you have no idea what you're looking for in a car. Get that figured out, then start looking for cars.

BTW, you can call Hyundai at any time and confirm warranty on a VIN.

This sounds condescending, but you are a car salesman's wet dream. When you have no idea what you're looking for, no idea what a car should ballpark in (you should know based on looking online for used cars and then also on sites that list what new ones are for), and in fact no idea about the car itself (e.g. with the Audi you should know they have demonstrably questionable reliability--this is really the very first, most elementary piece of info about them) you are setting yourself up to get bent over a barrel.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: mar23

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I guess you don't research cars before you buy them. Audi has a horrible reputation as far as reliability goes.

I love my audi!

My SiL loves her. I do not, as I work on it.

Last month was a coil pack

Before that was a fuel pump

Before that was electrial problems with the tail lights

Before that...

the fuel pump is easily explained - your sister drove too frequently with too little gas, causing the pump to repeatedly overheat, leading to failure. just make her fill at 1/4 tank and you'll never run into that problem.

same thing happened to my sister when she was driving our VW passat for a while.

voodoo tactics on a car to keep it going? how about they should design a fuel pump that can withstand a reasonable amount of abuse and not crap out that easy?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: mar23

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I guess you don't research cars before you buy them. Audi has a horrible reputation as far as reliability goes.

I love my audi!

My SiL loves her. I do not, as I work on it.

Last month was a coil pack

Before that was a fuel pump

Before that was electrial problems with the tail lights

Before that...

the fuel pump is easily explained - your sister drove too frequently with too little gas, causing the pump to repeatedly overheat, leading to failure. just make her fill at 1/4 tank and you'll never run into that problem.

same thing happened to my sister when she was driving our VW passat for a while.

voodoo tactics on a car to keep it going? how about they should design a fuel pump that can withstand a reasonable amount of abuse and not crap out that easy?

I actually thought he was joking but now not so sure. The fuel pump cannot possibly know how much gasoline is in the tank, so unless it tries to run with the thing empty it's seeing the same gasoline when you have half a gallon left as when it's full.

 

[DeviousTrap]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: mar23

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I guess you don't research cars before you buy them. Audi has a horrible reputation as far as reliability goes.

I love my audi!

My SiL loves her. I do not, as I work on it.

Last month was a coil pack

Before that was a fuel pump

Before that was electrial problems with the tail lights

Before that...

the fuel pump is easily explained - your sister drove too frequently with too little gas, causing the pump to repeatedly overheat, leading to failure. just make her fill at 1/4 tank and you'll never run into that problem.

same thing happened to my sister when she was driving our VW passat for a while.

voodoo tactics on a car to keep it going? how about they should design a fuel pump that can withstand a reasonable amount of abuse and not crap out that easy?

I actually thought he was joking but now not so sure. The fuel pump cannot possibly know how much gasoline is in the tank, so unless it tries to run with the thing empty it's seeing the same gasoline when you have half a gallon left as when it's full.

Not quite, the fuel pump doesn't need to know how much fuel is in the tank. What he is likely talking about is that many fuel pumps are located in the gas tank itself and the fuel actually cools it. Running the pump when the gas level is low can result in the pump overheating (but this really shouldn't be a huge enough concern that I would blame the pump failing specifically on overheating).

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: DeviousTrap

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: mar23

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I guess you don't research cars before you buy them. Audi has a horrible reputation as far as reliability goes.

I love my audi!

My SiL loves her. I do not, as I work on it.

Last month was a coil pack

Before that was a fuel pump

Before that was electrial problems with the tail lights

Before that...

the fuel pump is easily explained - your sister drove too frequently with too little gas, causing the pump to repeatedly overheat, leading to failure. just make her fill at 1/4 tank and you'll never run into that problem.

same thing happened to my sister when she was driving our VW passat for a while.

voodoo tactics on a car to keep it going? how about they should design a fuel pump that can withstand a reasonable amount of abuse and not crap out that easy?

I actually thought he was joking but now not so sure. The fuel pump cannot possibly know how much gasoline is in the tank, so unless it tries to run with the thing empty it's seeing the same gasoline when you have half a gallon left as when it's full.

Not quite, the fuel pump doesn't need to know how much fuel is in the tank. What he is likely talking about is that many fuel pumps are located in the gas tank itself and the fuel actually cools it. Running the pump when the gas level is low can result in the pump overheating (but this really shouldn't be a huge enough concern that I would blame the pump failing specifically on overheating).

thanks. i guess i should have included that tidbit as well. IIRC, most gas tanks are designed that way.

 

[cheesehead]

I would recommend buying a used Toyota Avalon. You can get one with under 50,000 miles and lots of goodies for under $10k, and they're extremely reliable.

 

[SearchMaster]

Originally posted by: Cheesehead
I would recommend buying a used Toyota Avalon. You can get one with under 50,000 miles and lots of goodies for under $10k, and they're extremely reliable.

Really? I did an Autotrader search for 100 miles from my house looking for an Avalon under $10K with <60K miles. It turned up two, but I'm pretty sure the mileage showing of "8,000" and "150" are not entirely accurate (probably 80,000 and 150,000).

 

[CptCrunch]

Wow, that seems high for the Audi. For $25k, you can get a 2007/2008 G35 with Premium package, and 25-30k miles. Go that route instead of the Audi. It's 4 years old and they still want that much? Run away

 

[thomsbrain]

I don't understand why you aren't at least comparing a loaded Sonata to the Audi so that the prices are the same. The Sonata will probably pick up a lot of the features the Audi has if you give the Sonata another $7000 in trim level and option upgrades. You'd get a V6, leather, moonroof, climate control, etc. Might make the used Audi seem a lot less appealing. Hell, you could probably max out the Sonata and still spend less than $27,000 if you haggle.

BTW, the Sonata you were looking at has a straight 4 cylinder engine, not a "V4."

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: DeviousTrap

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: mar23

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I guess you don't research cars before you buy them. Audi has a horrible reputation as far as reliability goes.

I love my audi!

My SiL loves her. I do not, as I work on it.

Last month was a coil pack

Before that was a fuel pump

Before that was electrial problems with the tail lights

Before that...

the fuel pump is easily explained - your sister drove too frequently with too little gas, causing the pump to repeatedly overheat, leading to failure. just make her fill at 1/4 tank and you'll never run into that problem.

same thing happened to my sister when she was driving our VW passat for a while.

voodoo tactics on a car to keep it going? how about they should design a fuel pump that can withstand a reasonable amount of abuse and not crap out that easy?

I actually thought he was joking but now not so sure. The fuel pump cannot possibly know how much gasoline is in the tank, so unless it tries to run with the thing empty it's seeing the same gasoline when you have half a gallon left as when it's full.

Not quite, the fuel pump doesn't need to know how much fuel is in the tank. What he is likely talking about is that many fuel pumps are located in the gas tank itself and the fuel actually cools it. Running the pump when the gas level is low can result in the pump overheating (but this really shouldn't be a huge enough concern that I would blame the pump failing specifically on overheating).

thanks. i guess i should have included that tidbit as well. IIRC, most gas tanks are designed that way.

I learned something

Nonetheless, no car's pump should be so weak that one has to be careful of the fuel level on any kind of a continual basis or else its longevity is compromised.

 

[smitbret]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: DeviousTrap

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: mar23

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I guess you don't research cars before you buy them. Audi has a horrible reputation as far as reliability goes.

I love my audi!

My SiL loves her. I do not, as I work on it.

Last month was a coil pack

Before that was a fuel pump

Before that was electrial problems with the tail lights

Before that...

the fuel pump is easily explained - your sister drove too frequently with too little gas, causing the pump to repeatedly overheat, leading to failure. just make her fill at 1/4 tank and you'll never run into that problem.

same thing happened to my sister when she was driving our VW passat for a while.

voodoo tactics on a car to keep it going? how about they should design a fuel pump that can withstand a reasonable amount of abuse and not crap out that easy?

I actually thought he was joking but now not so sure. The fuel pump cannot possibly know how much gasoline is in the tank, so unless it tries to run with the thing empty it's seeing the same gasoline when you have half a gallon left as when it's full.

Not quite, the fuel pump doesn't need to know how much fuel is in the tank. What he is likely talking about is that many fuel pumps are located in the gas tank itself and the fuel actually cools it. Running the pump when the gas level is low can result in the pump overheating (but this really shouldn't be a huge enough concern that I would blame the pump failing specifically on overheating).

thanks. i guess i should have included that tidbit as well. IIRC, most gas tanks are designed that way.

I learned something

Nonetheless, no car's pump should be so weak that one has to be careful of the fuel level on any kind of a continual basis or else its longevity is compromised.

It's common. Ask a mechanic, they'll tell you the same thing. You may be right, but until you design and manufacture the new fuel pump that never needs cooling, that's the way it is.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I'd never buy an Audi.

I'd never buy a Hyundai either.

While I don't quite feel quite as strongly as this, I have similar thoughts reading the OP. I'd almost want to shoot myself in the head rather than spend that kind of $ on either of those vehicles.

OP : as others have noted, low-miles recent model ('06+) G35 Coupe or Sedan (especially Sedan) can be found for the $20k mark or less.

It is better in every way than the Hyundai or Audi other than :

The Hyundai will get better fuel economy (and have 1/2 the power)
The Audi will arguably have a better interior.

Other than that, the G35 will have more power, is a proper FR setup, is on a very proven drivetrain that's been used in one form or another in a wide variety of cars (parts are plentiful and cheap for the most part).

Other viable options that make sense at that price point :

'10 Fusion new
Used TSX or TL ('06-'07ish, TL has a lot more power, but FF)

 

[cheesehead]

Originally posted by: SearchMaster

Originally posted by: Cheesehead
I would recommend buying a used Toyota Avalon. You can get one with under 50,000 miles and lots of goodies for under $10k, and they're extremely reliable.

Really? I did an Autotrader search for 100 miles from my house looking for an Avalon under $10K with <60K miles. It turned up two, but I'm pretty sure the mileage showing of "8,000" and "150" are not entirely accurate (probably 80,000 and 150,000).

Huh. I remember them being cheaper....but Autotrader says not.

Regardless, you can get one with all the bells and whistles for about 20,000 with very few miles. Here's a pretty good one for $22k - and I'd bet you could get the dealer down to 20 if you tried.

Link to autotrader

There was one being sold locally with 70k miles (a drop in the bucket for a Toyota, especially if driven by a septogenerian who religiously changed the oil - a typical Avalon driver, in a nutshell) for 9k, and they were willing to bargain quite a lot if you were willing to pay cash up front.

My grandparents have owned three over the years. The 1st has over 160,000 miles and is still going strong - it's owned by my cousin. The other two are still in daily use in upstate New York, full of bad roads and salt. Nothing has really gone wrong with any of them - if it had, I'd have heard about it - and service costs aren't too bad either.

They corner like a moose, they're a little overpriced when new, they're not terribly attractive, and they have all the prestige of a an elastic waistband. They also depreciate like used chewing gum. They are, however, very big, very durable, very reliable, and a very good value if purchased used.

 

[SickBeast]

I really like some of the smaller sporty Lexuses. The Sonata and that Audi are terrible choices. Why not look at an Audi A4? My sister has one. TBH my Honda Civic can keep up with it and really by all accounts I find the cars similar where it matters, but it will at least be cheaper and pretty luxurious inside. My sister has had a few serious problems with it, though. She has been stranded twice due to breakdowns and has had it for only 2 years.

 

[lastig21]

I haven't seen an update from the OP in a while. Curious as to his current mindset.

Have you been able to narrow your search down at all? While the Hyundai and Audi have 4 doors and 4 wheels, that is about the end of their similarities.

Are you looking for:
New or Used?
Spending $20k or $27k?
What specific features are you wanting?
How important is proven reliability?
How important is gas mileage?
How important is performance?
Are ongoing maintenance costs a concern?
Have you checked insurance costs on any cars you are considering?