Welcome Insight #2! Update: Picked the car up. Update 4/11:

Eli

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We're going out to pick this bad boy up this weekend.

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/2238544510.html

Highlights:

$2700
441,000 miles
Original Owner
5 speed

No pics yet, but.. It's a silver Insight.

This will replace my fiancee's Civic. Even with that many miles, that is a phenomenal price. I can't believe we got it.

Will save us about $50/mo in transportation costs. :thumbsup:

Edit: Posting from Barstow, CA. Picked the car up. Got it for $2500. Bought it without hesitation. What a nice surprise! We had no idea what to expect by his "needs paint" comments. The body is straight as an arrow, but it has a couple of primer patches on the rear bumper and the body. No big deal overall. We were expecting the worst.

It runs and drives great! Has every bit as much power as my car. Battery discharges through the whole range without issue. In fact, I'm almost jealous. Just makes me realize that I need to do some maintenance on mine. Everything seems nice and tight, and operates as it should. Though, 1st and 2nd gear synchros are worn and it is difficult to downshift without grinding. It up-shifts normally. That will probably need to be addressed sometime in the next 10-20k miles.

I have, in my hands, receipts that total $10,805.07.. not including a couple of sets of tires. The last IMA battery he paid for out of pocket. He thinks there's a warranty on it, but I don't think that is correct? The paperwork doesn't say anything about it. I don't even know what some of this stuff is, as it just lists a part number. Axles have been replaced. Two clutches, two brake sets. Fixed a window regulator. Radiator, hoses, belts, water pump, thermostat.

I am really pleasantly surprised. We were expecting the worst, but I don't think it could have ended up any better for a 441,000 mile car. The transmission is the sour grape, but like I've mentioned several times.. You almost have to expect transmission problems with a used Insight, unless you know it's been dealt with recently.

Woohoo! We're happy.

Update 4/11/2011
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Just thought I would give a little update.

It has now been about a month and over 1300 miles since we bought the car. We have had the new OEM wheels and tires for about 300 miles now. Wow! What a difference. I really encourage anyone who doesn't think that the tires/wheels make a difference to try it for yourself. It's easy to become accustomed to how your car feels. Since I knew what the car should feel like, steel wheels with no brand 175mm tires really made the car feel like it had concrete blocks for tires. It now coasts and feels like it should.

While the car was up on the lift getting the new wheels put on, I noticed that the transmission was leaking pretty badly. That prompted me to move the transmission work up to the front burner, so I found a nice used transmission with 84,000 miles on it. I picked this transmission over some specimens with lower miles for a few reasons:

1) It came from a car with a high LMPG of over 67.
2) The case has been opened before. Since it is unlikely that any synchro work would have been needed on such a gently driven car at less than 84,000 miles, it is likely that the ISB has been replaced. That corroborates well with the high LMPG, as that likely implies above average use of regen.

I will be doing the work with the help of a friend. Originally I had planned on sourcing another worn out transmission to rebuild at my leisure. I will keep the transmission I remove and rebuild it at some point.

As it turns out, the Check Engine Light was burned out. As I posted in the Problems and Troubleshooting forum, there were several codes, all of which were LAF O2 sensor related. So I'll be ordering a new O2 sensor shortly.

After driving both cars back to back several times, I have noticed that this car does have a bit less power, especially below 2800RPM before VTEC engages. Hopefully the new O2 sensor will help alleviate that. I still plan on doing a compression check at some point.

Something I'm very happy to report is that the engine has not used a single drop of oil so far in the over 1300 miles we've had it. It's still right smack dab in the middle of the full mark/circle. That leads me to believe that the rings are still good.

So all told, we are still at less than $4000 total cost of ownership, even including the new wheels and new clutch that will go with the used transmission. Still extremely pleased with the purchase, and with these things out of the way we expect to get at least another 100,000 miles out of the car without any major problems.
 
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zip1385

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That is a lot of miles. A lot can be wrong if it hasn't been replaced...
 

Eli

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That is a lot of miles. A lot can be wrong if it hasn't been replaced...

Indeed.

However, even if we had to put $1500 into it immediately, it would still be cheaper than the cheapest other Insight on Craigslist - in the entire US.

I actually find high mileage vehicles endearing. Anyway, the Insight is an extremely robust car and there are many, many specimens with over 200,000 miles. They're extremely easy to work on, overall. There's nothing to them.

Their one unfortunate weak point is the transmission, and as expected this one is showing signs of an aging 2nd gear synchro. He says it only presents itself when downshifting, so it doesn't sound very bad. It will probably eventually need to be replaced or rebuilt.

holy crap!!!!

What?! Did I miss something? lol

These cars aren't exactly easy to find. We're lucky it's within weekend driving distance. We would have flown for the right one. There were only around 18,000 of them made. I was kicking myself for not buying one a month ago. I kid you not, now every other ad mentions how much the car is going to save you when gas is 4$/gal this summer...and their prices were edging up. Their prices spiked big time in 2009 when gas was 4$/gal. Anyway.. then this guy pops up. I called him immediately, lol.
 
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AMCRambler

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I'm sorry but I don't think "bad boy" is a very good characterizing of a Honda Insight. How about "slightly ostentatious girl"? Lol.

$2700 for a car with 441,000 miles on it? Sounds like a rip off to me. A Civic with 441,000 miles would be lucky to get $700.
 

Eli

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I'm sorry but I don't think "bad boy" is a very good characterizing of a Honda Insight. How about "slightly ostentatious girl"? Lol.

$2700 for a car with 441,000 miles on it? Sounds like a rip off to me. A Civic with 441,000 miles would be lucky to get $700.

Yeah, but the Insight isn't just a Civic..

Go price yourself a few Insights and get back to me. It is absolutely ridiculous how much they still sell for....

Made it easy for ya..
 
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Insights are super cool and I would love to have one, but holy shit miles.

I do want to see pics though!
 

Eli

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149K miles & $5,650 - http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/2236665426.html

62K miles & $6,550 - http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/2228735880.html



More money but I'm sure less maintenance. At 441K miles every bushing & suspension componenet needs to be replaced.

Um... I could replace every suspension component and bushing AND the transmission AND the IMA battery pack for $3000.. if I did the work myself.

I'm well aware of what I'm getting myself into guys. These cars don't break down, besides the transmission glitches. They are bulletproof. They are cheap to maintain. No timing belt. Nothing to go wrong except the transmission and battery pack, more or less.
 
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chin311

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there's a citrus yellow color one for sale by me and i thought about picking it up but its too much money to justify as a third car and I don't think im ready to give up my car for it.

and shes thinks they are hideous but i don't mind em! lol

good luck with this one!
 

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Um... I could replace every suspension component and bushing AND the transmission AND the IMA battery pack for $3000.. if I did the work myself.

I'm well aware of what I'm getting myself into guys. These cars don't break down, besides the transmission glitches. They are bulletproof. They are cheap to maintain. No timing belt. Nothing to go wrong except the transmission and battery pack, more or less.
What about motor? Anyway, if you're handy and you know these cars you'll probably do well. That is a crazy number of miles but at some point miles become meaningless. 200k is worse than 100k but once you're up at 200-300k who really cares, it could have 800k and if it works it obviously works!
 

Eli

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What about motor? Anyway, if you're handy and you know these cars you'll probably do well. That is a crazy number of miles but at some point miles become meaningless. 200k is worse than 100k but once you're up at 200-300k who really cares, it could have 800k and if it works it obviously works!

Yep, exactly.

I would rather have a car with 400,000 miles of highway than a car with 200,000 miles of stop and go.

The engines in these cars are absolutely bulletproof. They very, very rarely have problems. I'm really not concerned about the mileage. I knew I would get a rise out of you guys though.

$2700 is almost scrap prices for this car. Remember, it's pure aluminum. The fact that it runs, drives and has a good battery pack.. It's a spectacular deal.
 

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there's a citrus yellow color one for sale by me and i thought about picking it up but its too much money to justify as a third car and I don't think im ready to give up my car for it.

and shes thinks they are hideous but i don't mind em! lol

good luck with this one!

That's what we really wanted. Or blue.

We tried to buy a Citrus Yellow one for $4800 a couple of days ago, but it sold the same day.. That will give you an idea of how crazy $2700 is.
 

Eli

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Grats, though good luck with the high miles.

You really think it will be a problem? Meh. I won't be shocked if there are some things that need to be replaced, but I don't think it will be anything major. And even if it does need something major, it'll just guarantee another 400,000 miles out of it.

I'm beginning to look at them like collectors cars. It isn't just about saving money, though that is certainly nice. I think it will be cool to take this high mileage specimen, fix what needs fixing and keep it on the road for another 10 years. Maybe it could be the first million mile Insight. :thumbsup:
 

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Those things are hideous, i'd rather have a prius over those buckets...and prius's are pretty damn ugly too.


saving 20-30mpg is pretty silly, I want to see 100+ mpg on these things, before I make the dive.
 

Eli

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Those things are hideous, i'd rather have a prius over those buckets...and prius's are pretty damn ugly too.


saving 20-30mpg is pretty silly, I want to see 100+ mpg on these things, before I make the dive.

Their looks are obviously subjective. They aren't the most beautiful car, but they certainly aren't the worst. The only thing that makes them look funny is the wheel skirts. They're pretty sporty and slick looking once you get over that.

A Prius would obviously be more practical than an Insight, but the Prius also struggles to get 60MPG on the highway. The Insight will do 60MPG on the highway on a bad day. Though I don't expect my fiancee to be doing any real hypermiling anytime soon, if she can average 55MPG we'll be happy. Her Civic is only getting 24MPG.
 

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I used to get 60+ in my 03 TDI....not even having to hypermile, haha.

for the love of god, give me a TDI hybrid!

My 2.0T Audi get's 30~MPG, was her civic twice the weight? My old civic (back in high school), used to get 35-40~
 
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