Well I fried an Opteron 265

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Titan

I figured I may as well answer the only question out there since flames have kept bumping this thread to the top.

Sorry bud, but most people are just here giving you the straight truth. It ain't flaming if they're a). honest and b). asking you do the legal AND ethical thing

Of all the talk about ethics and morality, at least I had the integrity to come forward in a public forum and let people know that I think I made a mistake in hopes of warning others to be more careful.

Thanks, I think. Next time you offer people warnings, please try not to inadvertantly promote(or at least mention) unethical activity.

Lets see all of you judging me start posting mistakes you made so we can flame you. Don't forget all the lurkers who don't post about this kind of thing and now I see that there is not much point.

Most people here who made mistakes and ripped off some hardware company to cover them up(or tried to) would be too smart/embarassed to post about it on a public forum. If they did post about it, we'd go after them too.

As to wether I "caused" my CPU to fry is open to interpretation.

Uh huh.

Remember you weren't there. This CPU was running hotter than the other since I got it. I look at a "lifetime warrany" as a solid safety net. No one is out there selling overclockers insurance.

Well duh. Overclocking is done at your risk. If the now-dead CPU was running hotter than the other "since you got it", I'm assuming you meant that it ran hot at stock, which should have given you pause to check the reliability of your hardware before overclocking it. Checking case airflows, HSFs, etc is a must if anything's already wonky while running at spec. If any hardware was faulty before you fried your Opteron, you'll never be able to prove it now. AMD and/or the retailor who sold you the chip have a solid safety net from you in that you've taken responsibility for the death of your CPU by running it out of spec. And sure, while I wasn't there, I'd say that by using a voltage mod on a motherboard that does not support vcore adjustments, you certainly contributed to the early demise of your Opteron. So if someone refuses your RMA, I wouldn't blame em.

What if say, I didn't bother to replace my PSU after it's MTBF rate and a cap blew frying my cpus. Would I have caused that?

Technically, yes.

Would it be unethical to RMA since I was overlocking?

Questionable, though I'm not sure why you're going through this particular ethical debate. Using a PSU beyond it's useful lifespan could easily be construed as accidental, as you might lose track of how long the thing's been in there. However, trying a volt mod on some piece of hardware to deliberately get it to run out of spec is hardly accidental. Anyone who does something like that knows what they're doing. Anyone using a cheapy PSU for too long may be a bit clueless, in which case users here(and hardware vendors) might be a bit more sympathetic. Might.

I obviously didn't intend to fry it

Nobody intends to fry anything with which they work. However, the more involved the hardware hack, the greater the risks. One would hope you did intend to suffer whatever consequences of your hardware mod. That ranks up there with pulling off the IHS and cracking your core or something. It's on your head, even if you think it's the HSF mounting mechanism that did in your CPU.

RMAing is a big pain in the arse. Either way, it's an accident.

You didn't accidentally apply the voltage mod. That was deliberate. Doing it wrong was the accident *)

If AMD has a way of telling the failure was not their fault, they can take that position, if it is in the terms of the warranty. I'll send it to them and see what they say. I'm not so quick to have a 700 dollar keychain, if you don't mind.

I'm not so keen to see the cost of your 700-dollar keychain tacked on to all future CPU sales, if you don't mind.

If you don't want to fry your hardware, don't run it out of spec, okay? Especially not on such an expensive CPU and on a board that has so few overclocking features. Ever wonder why so many of us like to OC the bargain chips?

And thank you all for reminding us why honesty is not always the best policy.

Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.

Honesty works pretty well for me. Wanna judge me? Let's do it!

Fried hardware to date: 1 POS PSU which was used far longer than it should have been used. Lasted about 2 years. When it died, it took nothing with it. Replaced it with this 400W Antec Smartpower that has seen use in two machines and is solid. Hooray.

I did not RMA the PSU. It's still rusting somewhere in my closet I think . . .

Anyway, unlike you, I look forward to judgement. I find it to be enlightening. Gives me a chance to learn something about myself and my actions that I probably would not be able to determine on my own.

 

[Chef Brian]

I will go the unpopular route and admit to once RMAing a hard drive I fried because of sheer stupidity and alcohol. I felt bad afterward though, so not again..

Shame on you!

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[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Titan

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
WTF!? U-wire? Why not just use the BIOS to increase voltage???

You obviously do not own an Asus K8N-DL. BIOS support for this board is absolutely terrible.

I figured I may as well answer the only question out there since flames have kept bumping this thread to the top.

Of all the talk about ethics and morality, at least I had the integrity to come forward in a public forum and let people know that I think I made a mistake in hopes of warning others to be more careful. Lets see all of you judging me start posting mistakes you made so we can flame you. Don't forget all the lurkers who don't post about this kind of thing and now I see that there is not much point.

As to wether I "caused" my CPU to fry is open to interpretation. Remember you weren't there. This CPU was running hotter than the other since I got it. I look at a "lifetime warrany" as a solid safety net. No one is out there selling overclockers insurance. What if say, I didn't bother to replace my PSU after it's MTBF rate and a cap blew frying my cpus. Would I have caused that? Would it be unethical to RMA since I was overlocking? I obviously didn't intend to fry it, RMAing is a big pain in the arse. Either way, it's an accident. If AMD has a way of telling the failure was not their fault, they can take that position, if it is in the terms of the warranty. I'll send it to them and see what they say. I'm not so quick to have a 700 dollar keychain, if you don't mind.

And thank you all for reminding us why honesty is not always the best policy.

Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.

I guess this teaches you a lesson about using a cheap motherboard (or at least one not designed with overclocking in mind) with an expensive CPU. Why even overclock an S940 dual core, S940 just doesn't have the motherboard options that S939 does..

ASUS is fine for running at stock speed, but they are notorious for overvoltage and jumpy voltages, either of which could have fried your CPU.

The hardware mod compounds the problem.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: swatX

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: swatX
STFU people!. i bet 90% people in here have RMAed their CPU or RAM or gpu after they fried it from overclocking. no need to jump on one person all at once. if he wishes to rma it then let him. if you dont like it then suck it up. you cant do anything about it.

Well, I know many people that have overclocked, and not one has fried a cpu, memory of GPU. Why ? They use software, not "u-wire" or hardware mods. Even if he had contined with the mod, he probably would have been OK, had he been careful, but he wasn;t and "shorted out" the cpu with his mod which was out of place IMO.

The one exception is I think MichaelD was using the u-wire mod on a Xeon, and I think he sucked it up when they died.

Regardless, its not ethical, not to mention being stupid by being careless about an exspensive cpu like that by putting it back in without checking the wire.

while i agree about the hard modding thing, it still pisses me off that people just jump at one person for not being ethical while if they are put some energy into looking around them they might tons and tons of people doing software overclocking and RMAing it if they didnt get the result they didnt need.

I yell at everyone who tries to pull this crap. Happy?

 

[Titan]

@jiffylube1024, it still sounds like you did not look at the board. The K8N-DL is a dual socket940 mobo. And it aint cheap. I am running two Opterons. If you can point me to a better dual socket 940 overclockers mobo I'd like to see it.

As for the rest of you who can't stop lecturing somebody you don't know, you all seem to equate "RMA" with "free replacement." RMA is a process, for returning materials. I'm not positive what caused my CPU to fail in a technical sense, I just know the events I relayed. You don't know exactly what caused it either, you don't have anything physical to diagnose it. I would like to know what caused the failure. And the manufacturer is the best person to diagnose the failure, as they have equipment that does such. I'm not saying I want a free CPU. I am saying I want due process. The final decision is up to AMD and I am hoping they can help me as much as possible. You don't know if it was a bad cpu, and neither do I. The burden of proof should be put on the experts, the ones in the position to say. If they tell me I'm SOL, I can handle that. But I'm not going to roll over and play dead just because you all think it's immoral. Morality and ethics should not be factors in a marketplace, and they aren't. Capitalism is nothing but a game, with rules, and I am just playing the game.

 

[Markfw]

You idiot. The warranty says if you mod it, or change the voltage, the warranty is VOID, so RMA'ing for any reason is unethical, since you know you voided the warranty !!!!

Again And for those who can read, straight from the warranty statement:

This limited warranty does not cover damages due to external causes, including improper use, problems with electrical power, accident, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or improper testing.

You are just hoping they will give you a new cpu and won't know what happened....

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

You are just hoping they will give you a new cpu and won't know what happened....

QFT. Titan, you're just lying to yourself if you claim otherwise.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Every single piece of hardware I've fried over the years due to my modifications (and its been quite a lot), I've eaten the cost for.

In the end, you fvcked with it. You pay the price. Hell, someone ought to mail this thread to AMD (mods can we get an IP with this too?) so you don't get a free proc for your sheer stupidity.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Titan
@jiffylube1024, it still sounds like you did not look at the board. The K8N-DL is a dual socket940 mobo. And it aint cheap. I am running two Opterons. If you can point me to a better dual socket 940 overclockers mobo I'd like to see it.

As for the rest of you who can't stop lecturing somebody you don't know, you all seem to equate "RMA" with "free replacement." RMA is a process, for returning materials. I'm not positive what caused my CPU to fail in a technical sense, I just know the events I relayed. You don't know exactly what caused it either, you don't have anything physical to diagnose it. I would like to know what caused the failure. And the manufacturer is the best person to diagnose the failure, as they have equipment that does such. I'm not saying I want a free CPU. I am saying I want due process. The final decision is up to AMD and I am hoping they can help me as much as possible. You don't know if it was a bad cpu, and neither do I. The burden of proof should be put on the experts, the ones in the position to say. If they tell me I'm SOL, I can handle that. But I'm not going to roll over and play dead just because you all think it's immoral. Morality and ethics should not be factors in a marketplace, and they aren't. Capitalism is nothing but a game, with rules, and I am just playing the game.

It is not a question of morality. It simply is a violation of the warranty when you attempted to overclock your cpu. I can't figure out why you keep acting as if it was the processor's fault that you ran it out of spec and fried it. You fried it, you pay for it. The warranty is void, period. Markfw900 has pointed out multiple times the exact stipulation in the warranty that you violated and you still act as if it is AMD's responsibility that you violated their warranty. I don't get it.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Titan
@jiffylube1024, it still sounds like you did not look at the board. The K8N-DL is a dual socket940 mobo. And it aint cheap. I am running two Opterons. If you can point me to a better dual socket 940 overclockers mobo I'd like to see it.

As for the rest of you who can't stop lecturing somebody you don't know, you all seem to equate "RMA" with "free replacement." RMA is a process, for returning materials. I'm not positive what caused my CPU to fail in a technical sense, I just know the events I relayed. You don't know exactly what caused it either, you don't have anything physical to diagnose it. I would like to know what caused the failure. And the manufacturer is the best person to diagnose the failure, as they have equipment that does such. I'm not saying I want a free CPU. I am saying I want due process. The final decision is up to AMD and I am hoping they can help me as much as possible. You don't know if it was a bad cpu, and neither do I. The burden of proof should be put on the experts, the ones in the position to say. If they tell me I'm SOL, I can handle that. But I'm not going to roll over and play dead just because you all think it's immoral. Morality and ethics should not be factors in a marketplace, and they aren't. Capitalism is nothing but a game, with rules, and I am just playing the game.

Titan...I don't think that anyone here would give you grief if you do what you are saying, but you aren't. To find out what caused the failure, you must inform them of exactly what modifications you performed...
If you do so, and they still give you another CPU, then more power to you and congratulations!
When you lie about the conditions:
1. You aren't finding anything out
2. Getting away with something doesn't make it right
3. The only thing you've said that really worries me is "Morality and ethics should not be factors in a marketplace, and they aren't". This shows an utter lack of understanding and is a very scary trend. I'm not saying it's just you...on the contrary, the condition is becoming far more prevalent than is safe for our society! (Think Enron, Haliburton, MCI, etc...)
4. Just remember that the next time a company rips you off, according to your philosophy it's OK for them to do so...

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Titan
@jiffylube1024, it still sounds like you did not look at the board. The K8N-DL is a dual socket940 mobo. And it aint cheap. I am running two Opterons. If you can point me to a better dual socket 940 overclockers mobo I'd like to see it.

As for the rest of you who can't stop lecturing somebody you don't know, you all seem to equate "RMA" with "free replacement." RMA is a process, for returning materials. I'm not positive what caused my CPU to fail in a technical sense, I just know the events I relayed. You don't know exactly what caused it either, you don't have anything physical to diagnose it. I would like to know what caused the failure. And the manufacturer is the best person to diagnose the failure, as they have equipment that does such. I'm not saying I want a free CPU. I am saying I want due process. The final decision is up to AMD and I am hoping they can help me as much as possible. You don't know if it was a bad cpu, and neither do I. The burden of proof should be put on the experts, the ones in the position to say. If they tell me I'm SOL, I can handle that. But I'm not going to roll over and play dead just because you all think it's immoral. Morality and ethics should not be factors in a marketplace, and they aren't. Capitalism is nothing but a game, with rules, and I am just playing the game.

Titan...I don't think that anyone here would give you grief if you do what you are saying, but you aren't. To find out what caused the failure, you must inform them of exactly what modifications you performed...
If you do so, and they still give you another CPU, then more power to you and congratulations!
When you lie about the conditions:
1. You aren't finding anything out
2. Getting away with something doesn't make it right
3. The only thing you've said that really worries me is "Morality and ethics should not be factors in a marketplace, and they aren't". This shows an utter lack of understanding and is a very scary trend. I'm not saying it's just you...on the contrary, the condition is becoming far more prevalent than is safe for our society! (Think Enron, Haliburton, MCI, etc...)
4. Just remember that the next time a company rips you off, according to your philosophy it's OK for them to do so...

I am still puzzled by the thread. He violated the warranty of the cpu and has no right to RMA it legally, period. There is no discussion necessary I thought after Mark showed where he violated the warranty statement of AMD concerning their cpus. If he discloses he violated their warrany and they give him a new cpu then shame on them because they will pass the buck onto us. Oh well, life goes on and give peace a chance, LOL.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

I am still puzzled by the thread. He violated the warranty of the cpu and has no right to RMA it legally, period. There is no discussion necessary I thought after Mark showed where he violated the warranty statement of AMD concerning their cpus. If he discloses he violated their warrany and they give him a new cpu then shame on them because they will pass the buck onto us. Oh well, life goes on and give peace a chance, LOL.

If they give him a new CPU anyway, then it's a marketing cost...paying for customer goodwill. Companies don't do this very often, but they do occasionally.

 

[jiffylube1024]

I do see your point about the board (didn't check it out before... sorry). Dual dual core isn't my domain, so I'm unfamiliar with the boards available.

One thing about server boards is that you should never expect much of an overclock out of them. The BIOS options were crap for a reason - server stuff is often that way.

For personal use, I don't even understand why you'd need quad core; if you did need it (and could afford those extravagant prices), why overclock? Why not just buy an even faster pair of CPU's?

 

[Zebo]

Your dignity is cheap..discusting. Should'nt RMA anything unless it fails to work as advertised.

I wish everything was sold "as is" since I mod everything I own. Sucks to have to pay xtra 4 grand per vechile probably $40-$200 per processor for something I'll never use.

 

[Markbnj]

[I'm sorry did I miss a fricking meeting? Is it unethical to raise the voltage on a CPU and RMA it if it dies?]

Oh man...

/walksawaywhistling

 

[Markbnj]

[And thank you all for reminding us why honesty is not always the best policy.]

Hahaha, you didn't need to be reminded.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Markbnj
[I'm sorry did I miss a fricking meeting? Is it unethical to raise the voltage on a CPU and RMA it if it dies?]

Oh man...

/walksawaywhistling

Uh yes it is my friend. He modified the working operation of his processor (through motherboard) and wants too RMA so go ahead and walk away whistling as if that makes your position any more correct:roll:

 

[Markbnj]

[Uh yes it is my friend. He modified the working operation of his processor (through motherboard) and wants too RMA so go ahead and walk away whistling as if that makes your position any more correct]

Wtf is your problem? Did you think I was endorsing what he did? I was simply alluding to the flame war that was likely to ensue, so piss off.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Markbnj
[Uh yes it is my friend. He modified the working operation of his processor (through motherboard) and wants too RMA so go ahead and walk away whistling as if that makes your position any more correct]

Wtf is your problem? Did you think I was endorsing what he did? I was simply alluding to the flame war that was likely to ensue, so piss off.

The only thing I have against you is your method of quoting.

Can't tell if it's from you or from someone else.

 

[Gamingphreek]

I really dont understand people sometimes.

1. They fry a CPU SOMEHOW by overclocking (I haven't managed to fry a component yet and i have OCed to my boards limits many times)
2. They decide, "Hey i think ill be unethical and RMA this. The company can eat the costs and then i can drive up costs for everyone else"
3. Then for some reason they have "HEY, I think i need to let the AT community know about this stupid thing i did and this stupid thing i am going to do" going through there mind.

 

[Markbnj]

[The only thing I have against you is your method of quoting.]

Yeah, I know. I don't really like it either. But I hate repeating the texts from all previous quoted posts, and I don't like manually editing the quote blocks. In the old days on Compuserve we always used double brackets of greater-than/less-than but this forum thinks they are a code and strips them.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Markbnj
[The only thing I have against you is your method of quoting.]

Yeah, I know. I don't really like it either. But I hate repeating the texts from all previous quoted posts, and I don't like manually editing the quote blocks. In the old days on Compuserve we always used double brackets of greater-than/less-than but this forum thinks they are a code and strips them.

Not that hard. type in "[ q ]" (copy and paste text) "[/ q]"

-Kevin

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Markbnj
[Uh yes it is my friend. He modified the working operation of his processor (through motherboard) and wants too RMA so go ahead and walk away whistling as if that makes your position any more correct]

Wtf is your problem? Did you think I was endorsing what he did? I was simply alluding to the flame war that was likely to ensue, so piss off.

Piss off? That is your answer? You piss off. No, I will piss off. Wait, no, you piss off. Wait I will piss off. I love this thread. I thought you whistled away making the dramatic exit. Wait, what were we talking about? Oh yeah the violation of a warranty and vague statements by posters than walking away (well whistling away) that is vague in it meaning at best than getting angry when called upon for the vaguery of the post. Oh well. I guess I should piss off well maybe we should both buy a :beer: and piss off, LOL.

 

[SonicIce]

so i take it the wire trick is not a good idea

 

[Markbnj]

[vague statements by posters than walking away (well whistling away) that is vague in it meaning at best than getting angry when called upon for the vaguery of the post.]

Oh, is that what you did? Maybe next time just type: your vague post sucks.

Then we won't misunderstand each other.