Well, I quit smoking last night...

[Savij]

Well you can look at it this way: If you don't quit, you're pretty much guaranteeing that your kid will have asthma

 

[Savij]

the California Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), which estimated that parents who smoke each year cause 8,000 to 26,000 new cases of childhood asthma in the U.S. and make existing asthma worse in 20% of the 2 million to 5 million children who already have the disease.

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/20/1728_52823.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

 

[damiano]

My biggest failure the last time I quit was my wife can be a shrew when she's in a mood.. My usual escape is to go on the patio and smoke a cig... If my wife wasn't breastfeeding I'd be giving her valium or something...

!

that reaminds me of my life
i had stopped smoking when my son was born and now my wife is being such a pain in the @ss i sarted again in order not to smack her in the face (as i cannot give valium either...breastfeeding also)
oh well
good luck this time

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: Savij
Well you can look at it this way: If you don't quit, you're pretty much guaranteeing that your kid will have asthma

Oh, bullsh!t.

My wife and her sister grew up while they're parents smoked and neither have any respiratory problems.

The sister has 2 kids and smokes. Neither of them have any respiratory problems.

My mother and her two siblings grew up while their father (my grandfather) smoked. None of them have problems.


I agree that it could increase the risk, but guaranteeing it is a bit over the top...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Savij
Well you can look at it this way: If you don't quit, you're pretty much guaranteeing that your kid will have asthma

Nice myth there. Asthma cannot be related to smoking. Asthma is an autoimmune disorder. There has NEVER been a valid link between tobacco smoke exposure, first hand OR second hand and any autoimmune disorders. About the only thing tobacco smoke exposure can do is aggravate an already existing case of asthma.

Finally, Asthma rates have skyrocketed during the exact same period that smoking rates plummeted AND smoking in most businesses banned or restricted. If anything, the only correlation that could be drawn is the lack of tobacco smoke causes asthma.

So the best thing to do is call it a wash and say tobacco smoke has NOTHING to do with causing asthma.

 

[Azraele]

Good luck!

 

[Savij]

Electric Amish - Ok, so it's over the top

Amused - Click the link. The first line of the link says "Dec. 2, 1999 (Atlanta) -- The largest study of its kind confirms earlier reports: parents who smoke greatly increase their children's risk of asthma and wheezing."

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Savij
Electric Amish - Ok, so it's over the top

Amused - Click the link. The first line of the link says "Dec. 2, 1999 (Atlanta) -- The largest study of its kind confirms earlier reports: parents who smoke greatly increase their children's risk of asthma and wheezing."

What that study does not tell you is these kids ALREADY have asthma. Their parents smoking simply makes it appear sooner, and more often... thus creating a problem that requires medical attention earlier in life.

Look at it this way, if smoking or exposure to it CAUSED asthma, why didn't the baby boomer generation who grew up with the highest percentage of smokers in the 50s and 60s have asthma at record rates? Their rate of asthma was a tiny percentage of what kids have today.

The numbers don't pan out. To imply it is a cause of asthma is simply dishonest and illogical.

Finally, a anecdotal story: My brothers and sisters and I grew up with a mom that was home all day smoking three packs a day. None of us have asthma. I'm the only child that smoked. None of my brothers or sisters smoked. YET, three of my nieces and nephews have asthma, two mild, one life threatening.

Look, in the last decade and a half there has been an explosion in autoimmune disorders, including asthma. To attempt to link asthma to smoking is to ignore the real causes of this problem: an overly antiseptic society.

 

[Savij]

Some experts believe asthma prevalence has increased because of what is known as the hygiene hypothesis. According to this theory, children (especially in developed countries) do not have much exposure to certain types of bacteria or infections.1, 2 This may occur because of small family size, vaccinations, use of antibiotics, not being around farm animals, and a generally high level of cleanliness. As a result, children's immune systems may not develop properly to prevent asthma.

http://my.webmd.com/content/healthwise/159/50603.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

I haven't seen any evidence to say that this is the one and only cause of asthma. They all seem to say certain factors have been found to increase the risk of developing asthma. There have been many studies done on parental smoking and asthma, I challenge you to find a single one that comes to the conclusion that chances of developing asthma are not increased by having parents who smoke.

 

[damiano]

Originally posted by: Savij

Some experts believe asthma prevalence has increased because of what is known as the hygiene hypothesis. According to this theory, children (especially in developed countries) do not have much exposure to certain types of bacteria or infections.1, 2 This may occur because of small family size, vaccinations, use of antibiotics, not being around farm animals, and a generally high level of cleanliness. As a result, children's immune systems may not develop properly to prevent asthma.

http://my.webmd.com/content/healthwise/159/50603.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

exactly....
so you are showing us yourself that this has nothing to do with cig smoking

<---- lights a smoke

 

[Savij]

Some experts believe asthma prevalence has increased because of what is known as the hygiene hypothesis. According to this theory, children (especially in developed countries) do not have much exposure to certain types of bacteria or infections.1, 2 This may occur because of small family size, vaccinations, use of antibiotics, not being around farm animals, and a generally high level of cleanliness. As a result, children's immune systems may not develop properly to prevent asthma.

http://my.webmd.com/content/healthwise/159/50603.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

I haven't seen any evidence to say that this is the one and only cause of asthma. They all seem to say certain factors have been found to increase the risk of developing asthma. There have been many studies done on parental smoking and asthma, I challenge you to find a single one that comes to the conclusion that chances of developing asthma are not increased by having parents who smoke.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Savij

Some experts believe asthma prevalence has increased because of what is known as the hygiene hypothesis. According to this theory, children (especially in developed countries) do not have much exposure to certain types of bacteria or infections.1, 2 This may occur because of small family size, vaccinations, use of antibiotics, not being around farm animals, and a generally high level of cleanliness. As a result, children's immune systems may not develop properly to prevent asthma.

http://my.webmd.com/content/healthwise/159/50603.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

I haven't seen any evidence to say that this is the one and only cause of asthma. They all seem to say certain factors have been found to increase the risk of developing asthma. There have been many studies done on parental smoking and asthma, I challenge you to find a single one that comes to the conclusion that chances of developing asthma are not increased by having parents who smoke.

The problem is that children with pre-existing asthma with parents who smoke will have asthma SYMPTOMS appear sooner, and more severely than children with asthma who live with parents who do not smoke. Many people have asthma so mild they go for years into adulthood before being diagnosed.

And asking me to prove a negative is simply silly. I'm am merely pointing out that asthma rates directly contradict smoking rates, yet correlate perfectly with the explosion in all other autoimmune diseases. You can take that however you like it.

There is no doubt that there is a concerted effort to ban, or at least severely restrict tobacco use. I have no doubt this includes jury rigging and jerry-picking study results. Which has already been proven with the EPA's ETS report.

Look, none of these studies will explain why asthma rates are exploding today with the least smoking this society has ever seen, yet were a tiny fraction of what they are today in the 50s and 60s when smoking was at it's highest level and allowed everywhere. That is simple logic. If smoking and exposure to tobacco smoke caused asthma, the baby-boomer generation should be riddled with asthma sufferers compared to kids today. Yet it is exactly the opposite.

 

[Ferocious]

Good luck.

I'm going to try again on New Year's day.

 

[teddymines]

Technically, don't all smokers quit when they go to sleep?

 

[Ogg]

Someone go get Duroc..........he must be outside smoking again
Should have used hypnosis

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Savij

Some experts believe asthma prevalence has increased because of what is known as the hygiene hypothesis. According to this theory, children (especially in developed countries) do not have much exposure to certain types of bacteria or infections.1, 2 This may occur because of small family size, vaccinations, use of antibiotics, not being around farm animals, and a generally high level of cleanliness. As a result, children's immune systems may not develop properly to prevent asthma.

http://my.webmd.com/content/healthwise/159/50603.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

I haven't seen any evidence to say that this is the one and only cause of asthma. They all seem to say certain factors have been found to increase the risk of developing asthma. There have been many studies done on parental smoking and asthma, I challenge you to find a single one that comes to the conclusion that chances of developing asthma are not increased by having parents who smoke.

The problem is that children with pre-existing asthma with parents who smoke will have asthma SYMPTOMS appear sooner, and more severely than children with asthma who live with parents who do not smoke. Many people have asthma so mild they go for years into adulthood before being diagnosed.

Well well how about this:

People whose partners smoke are nearly five times more likely to develop asthma in adulthood than those who are not exposed to passive smoking, according to new research.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1562147.stm

No longer a case of children developing asthma earlier...

And I'm not arguing anything about smoking is evil and we should ban all cigs. I'm not saying that smoking is the only factor in the development of asthma. I agree, using the word guarantee was excessive, I was simply trying to provide encouragment for the OP.

 

[KGB1]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Good luck.

I'm going to try again on New Year's day.

After having a smoking binge of 200 cartons of cigarrettes on new years eve? :Q

Well Good Luck Sharky

19 years? Woah man... hope you wife doesn't wake you up middle of the night complaining your hands are pretending to hold a cig to your mouth..hehe..plus its good for the kids health too

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Savij

Some experts believe asthma prevalence has increased because of what is known as the hygiene hypothesis. According to this theory, children (especially in developed countries) do not have much exposure to certain types of bacteria or infections.1, 2 This may occur because of small family size, vaccinations, use of antibiotics, not being around farm animals, and a generally high level of cleanliness. As a result, children's immune systems may not develop properly to prevent asthma.

http://my.webmd.com/content/healthwise/159/50603.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

I haven't seen any evidence to say that this is the one and only cause of asthma. They all seem to say certain factors have been found to increase the risk of developing asthma. There have been many studies done on parental smoking and asthma, I challenge you to find a single one that comes to the conclusion that chances of developing asthma are not increased by having parents who smoke.

The problem is that children with pre-existing asthma with parents who smoke will have asthma SYMPTOMS appear sooner, and more severely than children with asthma who live with parents who do not smoke. Many people have asthma so mild they go for years into adulthood before being diagnosed.

Well well how about this:

People whose partners smoke are nearly five times more likely to develop asthma in adulthood than those who are not exposed to passive smoking, according to new research.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1562147.stm

No longer a case of children developing asthma earlier...

And I'm not arguing anything about smoking is evil and we should ban all cigs. I'm not saying that smoking is the only factor in the development of asthma. I agree, using the word guarantee was excessive, I was simply trying to provide encouragment for the OP.

This STILL does not answer the question of why Asthma rates directly contradict smoking rates and overall exposure to smoke. When studies fly in the face of simple logic, you MUST question their validity. Especially with a subject so polarizing as tobacco use.

And, as I said, people with ALREADY existing cases of mild asthma can go YEARS without being diagnosed. To say they "developed" it in adulthood is dishonest, to say the least.

And that's cool that you're trying to encourage him. But I remember getting stoned as a teen and laughing at all the BS they said about drugs in school. Lying is the surest way to make someone disbelieve everything else they've been warned about.

 

[ManofSteal]

if your trying to quit smoking and still have those nicotine urges you should definately check out Nicowater its a new product that just came out and it is sold in most places like Eckerd's, Rite Aid, Longs Drugs, Drug Fair. It is bottled water with nicotine to keep the cravings away. You can check out Nicowater or QT 5 Inc. for more information

All my friends who tried to quit smoking said this works wonders.

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Savij

Some experts believe asthma prevalence has increased because of what is known as the hygiene hypothesis. According to this theory, children (especially in developed countries) do not have much exposure to certain types of bacteria or infections.1, 2 This may occur because of small family size, vaccinations, use of antibiotics, not being around farm animals, and a generally high level of cleanliness. As a result, children's immune systems may not develop properly to prevent asthma.

http://my.webmd.com/content/healthwise/159/50603.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

I haven't seen any evidence to say that this is the one and only cause of asthma. They all seem to say certain factors have been found to increase the risk of developing asthma. There have been many studies done on parental smoking and asthma, I challenge you to find a single one that comes to the conclusion that chances of developing asthma are not increased by having parents who smoke.

The problem is that children with pre-existing asthma with parents who smoke will have asthma SYMPTOMS appear sooner, and more severely than children with asthma who live with parents who do not smoke. Many people have asthma so mild they go for years into adulthood before being diagnosed.

Well well how about this:

People whose partners smoke are nearly five times more likely to develop asthma in adulthood than those who are not exposed to passive smoking, according to new research.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1562147.stm

No longer a case of children developing asthma earlier...

And I'm not arguing anything about smoking is evil and we should ban all cigs. I'm not saying that smoking is the only factor in the development of asthma. I agree, using the word guarantee was excessive, I was simply trying to provide encouragment for the OP.

This STILL does not answer the question of why Asthma rates directly contradict smoking rates and overall exposure to smoke. When studies fly in the face of simple logic, you MUST question their validity. Especially with a subject so polarizing as tobacco use.

And, as I said, people with ALREADY existing cases of mild asthma can go YEARS without being diagnosed. To say they "developed" it in adulthood is dishonest, to say the least.

And that's cool that you're trying to encourage him. But I remember getting stoned as a teen and laughing at all the BS they said about drugs in school. Lying is the surest way to make someone disbelieve everything else they've been warned about.

Well, if smoking is not the only factor encouraging the development of asthma, then the fact that fewer people smoke can be counteracted by other factors (such as the underexposure to bacteria you talked about earlier). Let me put it this way: If fewer people drive drunk now than 20 years ago and the accident rate still happened to go up does not neccessarily imply that driving while drunk is safe.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Savij

Some experts believe asthma prevalence has increased because of what is known as the hygiene hypothesis. According to this theory, children (especially in developed countries) do not have much exposure to certain types of bacteria or infections.1, 2 This may occur because of small family size, vaccinations, use of antibiotics, not being around farm animals, and a generally high level of cleanliness. As a result, children's immune systems may not develop properly to prevent asthma.

http://my.webmd.com/content/healthwise/159/50603.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

I haven't seen any evidence to say that this is the one and only cause of asthma. They all seem to say certain factors have been found to increase the risk of developing asthma. There have been many studies done on parental smoking and asthma, I challenge you to find a single one that comes to the conclusion that chances of developing asthma are not increased by having parents who smoke.

The problem is that children with pre-existing asthma with parents who smoke will have asthma SYMPTOMS appear sooner, and more severely than children with asthma who live with parents who do not smoke. Many people have asthma so mild they go for years into adulthood before being diagnosed.

Well well how about this:

People whose partners smoke are nearly five times more likely to develop asthma in adulthood than those who are not exposed to passive smoking, according to new research.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1562147.stm

No longer a case of children developing asthma earlier...

And I'm not arguing anything about smoking is evil and we should ban all cigs. I'm not saying that smoking is the only factor in the development of asthma. I agree, using the word guarantee was excessive, I was simply trying to provide encouragment for the OP.

This STILL does not answer the question of why Asthma rates directly contradict smoking rates and overall exposure to smoke. When studies fly in the face of simple logic, you MUST question their validity. Especially with a subject so polarizing as tobacco use.

And, as I said, people with ALREADY existing cases of mild asthma can go YEARS without being diagnosed. To say they "developed" it in adulthood is dishonest, to say the least.

And that's cool that you're trying to encourage him. But I remember getting stoned as a teen and laughing at all the BS they said about drugs in school. Lying is the surest way to make someone disbelieve everything else they've been warned about.

Well, if smoking is not the only factor encouraging the development of asthma, then the fact that fewer people smoke can be counteracted by other factors (such as the underexposure to bacteria you talked about earlier). Let me put it this way: If fewer people drive drunk now than 20 years ago and the accident rate still happened to go up does not neccessarily imply that driving while drunk is safe.

Yes, that's true. But the sheer number difference between the 50s and today in BOTH directions. I mean, exactly opposite directions. To me, this shows that ETS is either an extremely RARE cause of asthma, or not a cause at all. Or hell, if a simple correlation was to be formed, one could say the lack of tobacco smoke causes asthma.

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Amused

Yes, that's true. But the sheer number difference between the 50s and today in BOTH directions. I mean, exactly opposite directions. To me, this shows that ETS is either an extremely RARE cause of asthma, or not a cause at all. Or hell, if a simple correlation was to be formed, one could say the lack of tobacco smoke causes asthma.

Well that's the point of using data from GOOD scientific studies (and there are quite a few that are bad) where the hypothesis condition is isolated instead of simply finding two sets of numbers and making observations.

 

[toekramp]

Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
good luck dude. you can do it!

 

[norcalhiker]

good luck! but realize that your brain is addicted to cigarettes and the feeling of wanting a cigarette won't be completely gone for about 2 years.

 

[Sideswipe001]

Isn't it possible the smoking has an effect that takes longer to appear?

Say that in the 60s and 70s there was much more smoking. Isn't it possible that the effect would take until now to crop up in the the children or grandchildren of the people who smoked so excessively?

I'm not arguing for or against. I don't smoke, I don't like the smell of it even, but I agree that there is no proof that smoking causes asthma in the short term.