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exdeath

Lifer
Jan 29, 2004
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What's a hard drive? Is that those slow magnetic mechanical things they used in "computers" in 1950?

Hard to believe computers once told us "please wait loading" all the time.
 
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CraigRT

Lifer
Jun 16, 2000
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I am astonished so many people have never had an HDD fail.
I have had numerous, all under standard operating conditions.
Although admittedly, I haven't had as many fail since Maxtor has been gone.
Those drives were utter trash.
 

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
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tbqhwy.com
im pretty sure i lost 2 yesterday when the power just randomly went out
one was on its way out and i backed it up on saturday, tons of bad sectors and whatnot
the other one i didnt get around to and cant boot anymore
 

Exterous

Super Moderator
Jun 20, 2006
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you must be a spring chick if you never had a dead hard drive.

I think a big reason was a thirst for more storage. As I bought larger drives the older ones were relegated to lesser used computers or just put on the shelf. I think the average use time for my desktop HDD is ~1 year. It probably wasn't until I setup my WHS and offloaded most of my files to it that I had a drive on and being consistently used for 3+ years. I've got a stack of old, small capacity drives just sitting around because I am too lazy to wipe them and get rid of them.
 

polarmystery

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Aug 21, 2005
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Just had my work laptop's hard drive die. IT department said it was Un-recoverable and told me I had to send it off to another company to do any kind of data recovery. (Costing us >$1000)

Took said laptop home and threw it in an external enclosure I picked up from microcenter for $10. Ran testdisk 6.14 to recover the backup boot sector and make the drive visible again. Then ran windows CHKDSK to fix the file allocation table. Took about 20 hours but I recovered the data. Only problem now is that it was on an encrypted drive, so I still need to recover the data!
 

skyking

Lifer
Nov 21, 2001
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I've replaced many over the years, but the crappiest moment was walking into the house to this nasty stink.
It was a long time ago when drives were just getting to the 60 gig mark and gigs were expensive. I had a freeBSD fileserver with 3 or 4 smallish drives in it, and the power supply went wild. Overvoltage popped every chip on all the controllers, the NIC, motherboard. Napster music = gone. my burned CDs = gone.
 

Wyndru

Diamond Member
Apr 9, 2009
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I've replaced many over the years, but the crappiest moment was walking into the house to this nasty stink.
It was a long time ago when drives were just getting to the 60 gig mark and gigs were expensive. I had a freeBSD fileserver with 3 or 4 smallish drives in it, and the power supply went wild. Overvoltage popped every chip on all the controllers, the NIC, motherboard. Napster music = gone. my burned CDs = gone.

That sucks. I worked for an online computer website around 2003, and they got a bad lot of power supplies where this happened to many, many of our customers. Basically the power supplies were frying everything in the entire computer. We had a lot of complaints and demands to recover data, which we couldn't do. One customer even had the sheetrock on the wall behind the computer burnt when it went. I was the manager of the RMA department during that time, and my life sucked for a few months.
 

kamikazekyle

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Feb 23, 2007
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I've replaced many over the years, but the crappiest moment was walking into the house to this nasty stink.
It was a long time ago when drives were just getting to the 60 gig mark and gigs were expensive. I had a freeBSD fileserver with 3 or 4 smallish drives in it, and the power supply went wild. Overvoltage popped every chip on all the controllers, the NIC, motherboard. Napster music = gone. my burned CDs = gone.

I was bench testing a system once when the drive's controller card flared up. It actually caught fire, but it was just a quick flare up so didn't catch anything else.

Just the other week I spent the better part of 2 days trying to recover data off my girlfriend's failing drive onto a spare. I had backups and everything, but figured it'd be quicker to just do a quick dd or partition copy as the drive was still mostly functional. But every tool kept dying out and wouldn't force through the last block read errors on the disk except good ol' cp. By the time I got down to just running a cp command on everything it had become a vendetta against the drive, but at least during the process I managed to set up a nice customized hirens thumb drive and Linux rescue thumb drive. And it preserved all the NTFS permissions to boot.

My friend just lost his second main hard drive in two years, but instead of buying a new one or going SSD he decided to just bin an entire custom built i5-2500k gaming system. I'm trying to get him to at least sell me the remains, but I'm thinking he's going to just store them or trash them outright.

Come to think of it, most of my drive failures in the past 3 years or so have all been Segates. Though I have a pair of Segate 1TB drives in my main PC now that have been chumming along flawlessly, though older than the firmware fiasco a few years ago. I also have a OCZ Vertex 2 that hasn't given me any problems, but I'm on my second Corsair M300 which is still glitchy as hell (using the 2nd Gen SandForce I think). My home server is currently running four 2TB Hitachi drives in a RAID0 that replaced some Segates (one failed out of those when it was a RAID5). Oh so fast for non-SAS spinning disk and it's playing with fire, but did I mention it's fast? I need to install more gigabit NICs and team them since it's limited by network connections at the moment. Doesn't really bug me all that much about the potential for data loss -- I back up onsite to external USB enclosures, between my other computers, and to LTO3 tapes, and offsite for important stuff (photos, homemade vids, important documents, etc).
 

exdeath

Lifer
Jan 29, 2004
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The difference when an SSD dies it only takes you 30 seconds to restore the data, not all day...
 

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
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confirmed last night that my last IDE HDD has bit the dust. 120 GB Wester Digital that was used as a 2nd drive in a spare system just houseing some random stuff. Backed it up a few hours before the substation in my town went up in flames and killed power for most of sunday. boot drive in the comp i thought was hosed but i just needed to rebuild the MBR and it was fine

i think ill finially buy a NAS
 

Wyndru

Diamond Member
Apr 9, 2009
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The difference when an SSD dies it only takes you 30 seconds to restore the data, not all day...

I've had 3 (maybe 4) die in the last year, and the user's data was gone. Even booting into a utility or PE didn't allow me to view anything on the drive. It just becomes completely unreadable. And these were decent SSD's, 2 Samsungs and 1 Kingston. I've had a couple Crucials give me issues, but that was the infamous firmware bug that they fixed.

There are some articles written to why this occurs, I'll see if I can find the links. IIRC, it's because of the way SSD's reference data, once a data link is broken it doesn't know how to seek correctly. I think flash drives have the same vulnerability.
 

rasczak

Lifer
Jan 29, 2005
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This?
 

exdeath

Lifer
Jan 29, 2004
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Umm, not if its data I put on the SSD. That shit is gone forever.

I've had 3 (maybe 4) die in the last year, and the user's data was gone. Even booting into a utility or PE didn't allow me to view anything on the drive. It just becomes completely unreadable. And these were decent SSD's, 2 Samsungs and 1 Kingston. I've had a couple Crucials give me issues, but that was the infamous firmware bug that they fixed.

There are some articles written to why this occurs, I'll see if I can find the links. IIRC, it's because of the way SSD's reference data, once a data link is broken it doesn't know how to seek correctly. I think flash drives have the same vulnerability.

I'm talking about restoring to the new SSD from a backup also on SSD.

It takes me less than 4 minutes to do a Windows 7 setup from scratch, how many hours on a HDD?

I could have a dozen SSDs fail and still end up ahead of a single HDD failure
 
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rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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most important to me are family videos and I have them on an external HDD and optical media. But still, after a few years you gotta put them somewhere fresh again.
 
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