Well, it looks like Conroe @2.66 eats a fx-60@2.8 for a light afternoon snack...UPDATED ARTICLE AT AT!

[dug777]

Thos prices are mindblowingly good :Q

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=787

 

[dug777]

Do we think AMD can pull something crazy out of the hat to counter it by launch?

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: dug777
Do we think AMD can pull something crazy out of SynthDude's 'fro to counter it by launch?

Fixed. And no, my hair isn't quite big enough to contain that much ownage (of a theoretical chip to beat Conroe at this point in time).

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: dug777
Do we think AMD can pull something crazy out of SynthDude's 'fro to counter it by launch?

Fixed. And no, my hair isn't quite big enough to contain that much ownage (of a theoretical chip to beat Conroe at this point in time).

:thumbsup:

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I'm surprsied Intc took this long to come out of the rope-a-dope.

 

[nycdude]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Hmm...Conroe, new motherboard, new RAM, new PCI-E vid card...this is going to be one hell of an expensive upgrade year

My thoughts exactly. I may just stand pat till the dust clears. LOL

 

[MrX8503]

conroe is a whole new generation. 65nm die process while amd is still on 90nm. But there is nothing to compare conroe to besides am2 or 939.

we'll see how things are when amd moves to 65nm.

 

[Budman]

Glad to see Intel finaly decided to forget about high clock speeds and built a cpu that actualy does more work per clock.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Budman
Glad to see Intel finaly decided to forget about high clock speeds and built a cpu that actualy does more work per clock.

just blows mind how well they seem to have succeeded tho :shock;

 

[Vegitto]

Okay, first of all, let me say that I personally think that it's a bit unfair to compare a next-gen product that isn't going to be available in six months from now to a current-gen, well-established product. Also, saying that AM2 won't give significant performance gains could be plain bullcrap.

The only benchmark I've seen so far was done by TomsHardwareGuide, and we all know how reliable they are, setting up a stress test, clearly lost by Intel, declaring Intel the winner and when someone notices pretend like it never happened. THG is clearly biased, so I don't believe them.

Also, they conducted their test with DDR2-400, whilst we now know that AM2 will support DDR2-800 out of the box, thus skewing the results. Because we only know one memory setting, we don't know how it scales.

Lastly, the AM2 processor was just an engineering sample, known to have major errors in its memory controller, which was just a rough sketch of what it will be when we buy it.

All in all, I'm not saying Intel/AMD is fighting a lost battle, but what I AM saying is that the battle isn't decided yet. We'll see.

P.S. I'm not a fanboy.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Vegitto
Okay, first of all, let me say that I personally think that it's a bit unfair to compare a next-gen product that isn't going to be available in six months from now to a current-gen, well-established product. Also, saying that AM2 won't give significant performance gains could be plain bullcrap.

The only benchmark I've seen so far was done by TomsHardwareGuide, and we all know how reliable they are, setting up a stress test, clearly lost by Intel, declaring Intel the winner and when someone notices pretend like it never happened. THG is clearly biased, so I don't believe them.

Also, they conducted their test with DDR2-400, whilst we now know that AM2 will support DDR2-800 out of the box, thus skewing the results. Because we only know one memory setting, we don't know how it scales.

Lastly, the AM2 processor was just an engineering sample, known to have major errors in its memory controller, which was just a rough sketch of what it will be when we buy it.

All in all, I'm not saying Intel/AMD is fighting a lost battle, but what I AM saying is that the battle isn't decided yet. We'll see.

P.S. I'm not a fanboy.

You make no sense at all.

Go read anand's blog for starters....

 

[n7]

Good read in Anand's blog.

Most of us are well aware of the memory bandwidth tests done which show the A64 platform isn't bandwidth starved.

I hate to say this, but more & more i really don't believe there will be any performance boost with AM2.
If there is, it'll be very minimal.

Anand's theory makes sense regarding the clockspeeds of AM2 CPUs IMO.

I think the only way AMD could really drastically improve things right now would be to start churning out 3 GHz + CPUs.
Who knows, maybe that will happen

 

[Chadder007]

Holy Crap!!!
....but talk about expensive upgrade for me though. I wish Intel would settle on ONE socket for at least a few months.

 

[PSUPef2k]

I'm still going to buy an opteron 170 and build a system around that.

Too early to tell how this pans out, and I am not waiting 6+ months to build a new machine.

 

[ND40oz]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: batmanuel

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Hmm...Conroe, new motherboard, new RAM, new PCI-E vid card...this is going to be one hell of an expensive upgrade year

Don't forget "new OS" as well, if Vista Ultimate is worth the price.

Well, my university has a Microsoft licensing agreement...I got XP Pro for $5, so I'm hoping Vista will be similarly cheap through them

Most likely it will be Vista Enterprise though for the volume licensing, I don't think we'll be able to get Ultimate under the educational agreements. Just like you can't get Media Center edition under them now.

But MSDN will have it...

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Anyone wanna adopt me in 6 months and give me all the stuff for a gift? I cant believe this chip if it turns out to be as good as what we have seen so far. This is just AMAZING news if the performance and prices are accurate.

 

[imported_X]

Originally posted by: PSUPef2k
I'm still going to buy an opteron 170 and build a system around that.

Too early to tell how this pans out, and I am not waiting 6+ months to build a new machine.

I'm thinking about just getting an Xbox 360 for now (mostly to play Oblivion), and holding off on the upgrade until Conroe/G70-R600/Vista.

 

[Inappropriate4AT]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
$241 2.13ghz Conroe @ 2.66ghz, 2 gigs DDR2-800 ram, G80/R600, Vista......ummmm must start saving now....

Same here.

Don't forget those 2.13ghz chips only have 2mb L2 cache as opposed to the 4mb of the chips used in the benchmarks. We won't know how much of a difference that extra 2mb of cache makes until more benchmarks are released, so having to spend at least $300 for the same level of performance is a possibility.

And 6 months is a long ass time... by then games like FEAR, HL2, and D3 will be out... Everyone will be playing U2K7, and nobody really knows what hardware the U3 engine will best take advantage of at this point.

 

[MiranoPoncho]

Sounds interesting, certainly. I'm going to wait it out on my rig, max out the memory and wait until 45nm matures.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
$241 2.13ghz Conroe @ 2.66ghz, 2 gigs DDR2-800 ram, G80/R600, Vista......ummmm must start saving now....

Same here.

Don't forget those 2.13ghz chips only have 2mb L2 cache as opposed to the 4mb of the chips used in the benchmarks. We won't know how much of a difference that extra 2mb of cache makes until more benchmarks are released, so having to spend at least $300 for the same level of performance is a possibility.

And 6 months is a long ass time... by then games like FEAR, HL2, and D3 will be out... Everyone will be playing U2K7, and nobody really knows what hardware the U3 engine will best take advantage of at this point.

Judging from the cache size differences between Banias - Dothan & Prescott 1M - 2M, I say the extra cache of will give only a maximum 5% speed increase. The jump to 1MB to 2M increases very little performance for both architectures, and most probably also hold true for Conroe.

 

[garkon8]

deathBUA:
"My only problem is, are the boards that decently overclock these new Conroes going to cost as much as the dang procs. Even if these really wipe the floor with AMD's offerings I WILL NOT, WILL NOT spend more than 150 on a mobo. Period.

To that end I might be living a pipe dream but when you are in college and only make 16/hr I need to make my dollars last."


I don't get it; People will spend hundred$ on a video card that gives them more fps, but will whine about dishing out extra dough on the most important part of their system, the motherboard? I sympathize with your financial situation, (I currently have all my spare funds tied up in debt). But, a cheap mobo is not an option for an enthusiast looking for high overclocks and rock solid stability.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: garkon8
I don't get it; People will spend hundred$ on a video card that gives them more fps, but will whine about dishing out extra dough on the most important part of their system, the motherboard? I sympathize with your financial situation, (I currently have all my spare funds tied up in debt). But, a cheap mobo is not an option for an enthusiast looking for high overclocks and rock solid stability.

lol

i think people can see the return for their money much more easily when blowing uber dollars on a GPU, but you are right. I think AMD folk have been spoilt by cheap, good o'cing mobos for 939, which goes a long way to explaining it...

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: garkon8
deathBUA:
"My only problem is, are the boards that decently overclock these new Conroes going to cost as much as the dang procs. Even if these really wipe the floor with AMD's offerings I WILL NOT, WILL NOT spend more than 150 on a mobo. Period.

To that end I might be living a pipe dream but when you are in college and only make 16/hr I need to make my dollars last."


I don't get it; People will spend hundred$ on a video card that gives them more fps, but will whine about dishing out extra dough on the most important part of their system, the motherboard? I sympathize with your financial situation, (I currently have all my spare funds tied up in debt). But, a cheap mobo is not an option for an enthusiast looking for high overclocks and rock solid stability.

Just consider the fact that my Epox board costs around 100 dollars US and overclocks like a monster. My venice cant take the heat above about 2.65Ghz but if I drop the CPU multi my board goes up to 311HTT, to me thats a hell of a deal for 100 bucks. And not all enthusiast want/need top of the line for their mobo, I mean heck for my system I spent 1350 bucks by spending money wisely and waiting for things to go on sale, for that I consider my a smart enthusiast. So what I'm saying if a decent mobo comes out for conroe that can do similar thing as my Epox board I'm sold.

 

[HurleyBird]

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
$241 2.13ghz Conroe @ 2.66ghz, 2 gigs DDR2-800 ram, G80/R600, Vista......ummmm must start saving now....

Same here.

Don't forget those 2.13ghz chips only have 2mb L2 cache as opposed to the 4mb of the chips used in the benchmarks. We won't know how much of a difference that extra 2mb of cache makes until more benchmarks are released, so having to spend at least $300 for the same level of performance is a possibility.

And 6 months is a long ass time... by then games like FEAR, HL2, and D3 will be out... Everyone will be playing U2K7, and nobody really knows what hardware the U3 engine will best take advantage of at this point.

Judging from the cache size differences between Banias - Dothan & Prescott 1M - 2M, I say the extra cache of will give only a maximum 5% speed increase. The jump to 1MB to 2M increases very little performance for both architectures, and most probably also hold true for Conroe.

In the case of prescott, remember that the Intel slowed down their Cache system when they upgraded to 2M. As fgor Banias and Dothan, wasn't the speed difference pretty impressive?

Also remember the old EE's with huge L3's? Now we have Conroe which can resisize the amount of cache given to each core. One core could have a huge 4M L2... and that has to be good for games.

 

[TraumaRN]

Well garkon8 goto Newegg.com and look up 955X mobos. Case closed on why it might suck to buy Intel procs...I just hope prices come down in 6 months....but again it might be a bit of a pipe dream