Well that didn't take long...

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: eskimospy
A good thing to note is that when Hillary was complaining about sexism in her coverage Palin called her a "whiner". Just figured I'd put that out there.

source?

Source.

To be fair, she just said what Hillary was doing was perceived as whining... and then she trashed her for it.

I didnt hear Palin saying "wow what a whiner because she FALSELY claimed sexism," what I heard her say is "hey honey, it is what it is, and you whining about it aint gonna score you any points or make it go away," (those arent real quotes, but my paraphrase). I never hear her say that Hillary WASNT discriminated against, only that making an issue out of it would not do women in politics any good.

Okay... so doesn't it seem like a bad idea for her to do the same thing?

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: OrByte
I think you are wrong. Bill Clinton never ran as a "family man" as much as Palin ran on her "family values." It makes her family and her family "values" open game.

This just about summarizes the lunacy of those opposed to Palin.

First of all, Palin never ran for VP on her "family values". Her "family values" may be one thing that has endeared her to the conservative base, but she has not touted her family values as being the reason her and McCain are a better choice for the Presidency than Obama and Biden. In fact, it is the Obama supporters that keep mentioning her "family values" as though it's evil to have kids and want to raise them the way you think is best.

Secondly, just about every Presidential candidate in recent history has extolled the virtues of "family values"-- it's just that their idea of "family values" typically differed in some way from their opponents. That includes Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama made use of it as well recently, decrying the number of black children born out of wedlock each year with absentee fathers. Does that suddenly make Barack's private family life open for discussion?
Hillary obviously supports abortion-- would that make it OK to ask her if Chelsea ever had an abortion, or if Hillary ever offered advice about getting an abortion to Chelsea? Or even ask a hypothetical question about what advice she might offer Chelsea if she was pregnant?

Third, what additional information does having a pregrant teenage daughter tell you about anybody? Absolutely nothing-- other than maybe the parents apparently didn't have their daughter fitted for a chastity belt or keep her locked up in the basement 24/7. If a fact brings you no additional information to the discussion, then that fact is, by defintion, irrelevant-- which is exactly what Bristol Palin's pregnancy is to any sensible discussion about this election.

It is hilarious how some people actually believe that your family life is off-topic for a Presidential candidate, unless, of course, they have views that are different than yours--then, by all means, nothing is off the table! No question is too low to be asked! This goes for Republicans and Democrats alike...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Her daughter's unfortunate pregnancy brings up an ISSUE in her beliefs on sex education, but her DAUGHTER shouldn't be the topic...

Sorry but the fact that her and her family go against everything Republicans and their "Faith based initiative crap" jam down our throats on a daily basis certainly makes it a valid topic.

Bristol and Levi broke every Republican rule and now going to have the biggest Republican Shotgun wedding of all time.

Of course what about the millions of dollars of taxpayer money Bush and the GOP have sent to these Faith based Initiatives on this very subject.

This clearly shows epic fail

I don't appreciate my money going to this crap and any real American shouldn't either.

There was a reason for separation of Church and State and this clearly shows why it should be that way on every level.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Her daughter's unfortunate pregnancy brings up an ISSUE in her beliefs on sex education, but her DAUGHTER shouldn't be the topic...

Sorry but the fact that her and her family go against everything Republicans and their "Faith based initiative crap" jam down our throats on a daily basis certainly makes it a valid topic.

Bristol and Levi broke every Republican rule and now going to have the biggest Republican Shotgun wedding of all time.

Of course what about the millions of dollars of taxpayer money Bush and the GOP have sent to these Faith based Initiatives on this very subject.

This clearly shows epic fail

I don't appreciate my money going to this crap and any real American shouldn't either.

There was a reason for separation of Church and State and this clearly shows why it should be that way on every level.

Please learn the difference between a Republican and a Conservative.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Fern
IMO, the MSM is in for some well-deserved criticism regarding Palin.

Too many *rushed* stories inadequantly sourced/researched and all negative. Yesterday's AIP story is a good example.

There's plenty of time for the MSM to to do their role in ivestigating her. No need for the rush to rumors and all the other BS we've seen.

In addition to criticism for their sloppy reporting done in haste, they are due some criticism for for out-of-bounds reporting, whther it's questioning her decision to run for VP considering her family responsibilities or the MSM obsession with her preggo daughter etc.

Fern

Exactly. Also the people who are throwing out the question on if she can be a good mom and VP at the same time are slime. Unless they ask the same of BHO and any other candidate(can they be a good parent/father/mother) it looks like nothing more than sexism.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Her daughter's unfortunate pregnancy brings up an ISSUE in her beliefs on sex education, but her DAUGHTER shouldn't be the topic...

Sorry but the fact that her and her family go against everything Republicans and their "Faith based initiative crap" jam down our throats on a daily basis certainly makes it a valid topic.

Bristol and Levi broke every Republican rule and now going to have the biggest Republican Shotgun wedding of all time.

Of course what about the millions of dollars of taxpayer money Bush and the GOP have sent to these Faith based Initiatives on this very subject.

This clearly shows epic fail

I don't appreciate my money going to this crap and any real American shouldn't either.

There was a reason for separation of Church and State and this clearly shows why it should be that way on every level.

So, dmcowen, is Obama's personal sex history and that of his daughters now open discussion since Obama has proposed some "faith-based initiatives" of his own? Or does that standard only apply to people whose policy you disagree with?

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Fern
IMO, the MSM is in for some well-deserved criticism regarding Palin.

Too many *rushed* stories inadequantly sourced/researched and all negative. Yesterday's AIP story is a good example.

There's plenty of time for the MSM to to do their role in ivestigating her. No need for the rush to rumors and all the other BS we've seen.

In addition to criticism for their sloppy reporting done in haste, they are due some criticism for for out-of-bounds reporting, whther it's questioning her decision to run for VP considering her family responsibilities or the MSM obsession with her preggo daughter etc.

Fern

Exactly. Also the people who are throwing out the question on if she can be a good mom and VP at the same time are slime. Unless they ask the same of BHO and any other candidate(can they be a good parent/father/mother) it looks like nothing more than sexism.

John Sidney McCain III knew that she would be attacked the moment he picked her, it's an obvious choice to get a pity vote.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Her daughter's unfortunate pregnancy brings up an ISSUE in her beliefs on sex education, but her DAUGHTER shouldn't be the topic...

Sorry but the fact that her and her family go against everything Republicans and their "Faith based initiative crap" jam down our throats on a daily basis certainly makes it a valid topic.

Bristol and Levi broke every Republican rule and now going to have the biggest Republican Shotgun wedding of all time.

Of course what about the millions of dollars of taxpayer money Bush and the GOP have sent to these Faith based Initiatives on this very subject.

This clearly shows epic fail

I don't appreciate my money going to this crap and any real American shouldn't either.

There was a reason for separation of Church and State and this clearly shows why it should be that way on every level.

Right. Because you know everything about their family. You know jack about jack. You fail epicly in everything you post. It really wasnt even worth repsonding, because everyone else knows this about you too.

The kid made a mistake, which you extrapolate to "the Palin family is a bunch of heathen oil grubbers." You have no basis for your statements, and you are out there to post the most idiotic, inane crap you can. It isnt that you disagree with me... the event of her daughter's pregnancy naturally triggers a discussion of Gov. Palin's sex education beliefs... but it does not make her CHILDREN and HUSBAND fair game.

It is the same as me extrapolating your inability to hold down a job to say your entire family are lazy welfare recipients stuck on the government teet. I dont think you would consider that fair, but you are more than willing to do that to others.

You small pathetic man. I pity you.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
You small pathetic man. I pity you.

Uh oh, Cleveland's Steamed:shocked:

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

Which AIP story?

Link

Fern

 

[Fern]

Whooa!

Check out this SITE.

I read through their thread, and looks like a lot of women are organixzing themselves against this percieved gender bias against Palin. I see throughout the thread links top other women's orgs doing the same.

I smell a backlash coming

Fern

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Fern

I smell a backlash coming

Fern

More like the smell of desperation....

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Fern
Whooa!

Check out this SITE.

I read through their thread, and looks like a lot of women are organixzing themselves against this percieved gender bias against Palin. I see throughout the thread links top other women's orgs doing the same.

I smell a backlash coming

Fern

LOL big time... they are claiming sexism because the reporters made fun of Hillary crying?

Bwahahahahahah

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: Fern

I smell a backlash coming

Fern

More like the smell of desperation....

Wow, great post :thumbsup:

:roll:

If you bother to check through the link(s), these aren't Repubs. They are a bunch of angry Hillary fans etc.

Fern

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Fern
Whooa!

Check out this SITE.

I read through their thread, and looks like a lot of women are organixzing themselves against this percieved gender bias against Palin. I see throughout the thread links top other women's orgs doing the same.

I smell a backlash coming

Fern

wow.

Those women paint everything with a "pink" brush.

Seriously, I read thru the first 2 dozen or so posts and half of the "sexist" remarks were mere criticisms of Palin being selected VP.

These people think that this Obama statement is sexist: "the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency."

Come on people, just because Palin is female doesn?t mean EVERY critical statement of her is sexist.


Edit: some more gems from the Hillarybots: Comparing Palin to Quayle is sexist!!!! OMFG!!

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: OrByte
Those women paint everything with a "pink" brush.

Seriously, I read thru the first 2 dozen or so posts and half of the "sexist" remarks were mere criticisms of Palin being selected VP.

These people think that this Obama statement is sexist: "the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency."

Come on people, just because Palin is female doesn?t mean EVERY critical statement of her is sexist.

WRONG. If you critique Palin, you are sexist, pure and simple, just like if you critique Obama you are racist, if you critique Biden you are agist, or if you critique McCain you hate our troops. This is how equality works; as people become more equal, you are less able to say anything negative about them regardless of merit because invariably it is just your bigotry that drives you to say it.

Or maybe these people are oversensitive. They're probably all on their periods or something.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: QED
This just about summarizes the lunacy of those opposed to Palin.

It's not far fetched that McCain is going to die and the VP pick is going to be president. Months ago McCain promised to pick someone who would make a suitable president should the need arise. It is far, far from "lunacy" to question the choice of Palin when a host of much more qualified people were also being considered.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Because you know everything about their family. You know jack about jack.

this is Dave we're talking about. he probably spent 5 years working as the Palin family nanny or something

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: OrByte
Those women paint everything with a "pink" brush.

Seriously, I read thru the first 2 dozen or so posts and half of the "sexist" remarks were mere criticisms of Palin being selected VP.

These people think that this Obama statement is sexist: "the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency."

Come on people, just because Palin is female doesn?t mean EVERY critical statement of her is sexist.

WRONG. If you critique Palin, you are sexist, pure and simple, just like if you critique Obama you are racist, if you critique Biden you are agist, or if you critique McCain you hate our troops. This is how equality works; as people become more equal, you are less able to say anything negative about them regardless of merit because invariably it is just your bigotry that drives you to say it.

Or maybe these people are oversensitive. They're probably all on their periods or something.

That is probably an accurate read. Everyone finds excuses for their shortcomings. However, not all criticisms are sexist, racist, agist, etc. It's too bad that they are buried in the sleazy remarks that are.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: OrByte
Those women paint everything with a "pink" brush.

Seriously, I read thru the first 2 dozen or so posts and half of the "sexist" remarks were mere criticisms of Palin being selected VP.

These people think that this Obama statement is sexist: "the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency."

Come on people, just because Palin is female doesn?t mean EVERY critical statement of her is sexist.

WRONG. If you critique Palin, you are sexist, pure and simple, just like if you critique Obama you are racist, if you critique Biden you are agist, or if you critique McCain you hate our troops. This is how equality works; as people become more equal, you are less able to say anything negative about them regardless of merit because invariably it is just your bigotry that drives you to say it.

Or maybe these people are oversensitive. They're probably all on their periods or something.

Good rant. :thumbsup:

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: QED
This just about summarizes the lunacy of those opposed to Palin.

It's not far fetched that McCain is going to die and the VP pick is going to be president. Months ago McCain promised to pick someone who would make a suitable president should the need arise. It is far, far from "lunacy" to question the choice of Palin when a host of much more qualified people were also being considered.

Questioning her based on her experience is one thing. That's a fair question to bring up-- but I see Obama supporters are getting less and less inclined to ask that since they are not exactly on good ground themselves.

But asking for her to prove she she really is Trig's mother? Or asking her what she has told her daughter about sex and abstinence and birth control? Or insinuating that she's a bad mother because she chose to accept the VP nomination? That's an entirely different ballgame.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
-snip-
Or maybe these people are oversensitive. They're probably all on their periods or something.

:shocked: Holy crap!, I oughtta link this to their site

Fern

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: Farang
This really sickens me.. it is like if I got a new boss at work who was hired over more qualified people and then if I question her appointment she yells at me "Sexist!" which just pisses me off more because it has nothing to do with her fucking vagina.

I disagree to an extent. Most of the attacks that I would consider sexist have attacked her about "how dare she run for office, she has 5 kids, she cant possibly have time" or "how can she manage the country when her family is in such disarray." THOSE are sexist. Her daughter's unfortunate pregnancy brings up an ISSUE in her beliefs on sex education, but her DAUGHTER shouldnt be the topic... which it HAS been, and there is NO denying that. Discuss her record as governor and mayor all you want... please, I dont know everything about her yet... but there should be NO question asked of her that you would not ask of any other MAN running for office.

Aside from that, please, discuss trooper gate, the pipeline, etc. I want that discussion. It is the discussions on her children and husband that disgust me, as they are NOT running for office.

Yeah, yeah, their children & family are a "private matter". Then why are they being marched up on stage at a national convention?. Are they good little political props?. Then again, thats all women and children seem to be to the GOP, props and tools to be used.

Where was this respect for my privacy when they destroyed FISA protections? when they supported mandatory drug testing? when they get to judge me on who I marry and have sex with? when it comes to womens privacy i.e. abortion? Haven't republicans been saying for years that there is no right to privacy?

Speaking from a purely political stance, I hope that they parade those two kids on stage to rapturous applause.

Can you imagine that? It will come off like a bizarre freakshow, and will reinforce every stereotype there is about the radical right of the Republican Party. I'd imagine that every person in middle America watching that (especially the vaunted soccer mom demographic) will be staring at the screen, mouth agape in shock and the exploitation they're witnessing.

Seeing McCain hugging the soon to be son in law of the Palins gave me the creeps, like he was offering his blessing on this union as the Patriarch of the Republican "family". What did he promise this kid if he marries this girl, a draft lottery pick to the Mighty Ducks?

Imagine the response...

From the right and the "mainstream" press if a black, agressive basketball player from the South Side, who described himself on his MySpace page as a "fuckin' gangbanger," were to be Obama's theoretical daughter's boyfriend - even an acquaintance - let alone the father of her out-of-wedlock child. What WOULD happen on the right? Besides a few strokes and cardiac events on Fox News, the rhetoric would be almost beyond imagination.

Yet here we have a kid who is a self-described "fuckin' redneck" with some rather pugilistic talk going on his now-removed MySpace page, and apparently a quite agressive hockey player. And he's a saint, for agreeing (under who knows how much pressure) to marry his pregnant girlfiend?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
-snip-
Or maybe these people are oversensitive. They're probably all on their periods or something.

:shocked: Holy crap!, I oughtta link this to their site

Fern

That's no good. Women don't understand sarcasm.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Fern
IMO, the MSM is in for some well-deserved criticism regarding Palin.

Too many *rushed* stories inadequantly sourced/researched and all negative. Yesterday's AIP story is a good example.

There's plenty of time for the MSM to to do their role in ivestigating her. No need for the rush to rumors and all the other BS we've seen.

In addition to criticism for their sloppy reporting done in haste, they are due some criticism for for out-of-bounds reporting, whther it's questioning her decision to run for VP considering her family responsibilities or the MSM obsession with her preggo daughter etc.

Fern

I would agree, but they don't deserve PARTISAN criticism, it's just the media doing what the media always does. It's not about right vs left, there have been equally many times where rumor has substituted as fact in a story to the detriment of a lefty...or a man...or a black guy...or a white guy. This isn't sexist or partisan or anything, it's the media being a piss poor excuse for journalism.