Wells Fargo Typo Victim Dies in Court

her209

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http://www.laweekly.com/2013-03-07/news/wells-fargo-typo-victim-dead-larry-delassus/2/

Delassus got the first odd letter from Wells Fargo on Jan. 29, 2009. It informed him that Wells' tax service provider, First American Real Estate Tax Service, "reported delinquent taxes for the property located at: 320 Hermosa Beach Avenue 105."

Delassus, told that he owed taxes of $13,361.90 for 2007 and '08, was baffled. His attorney Anthony Trujillo, a friend and next-door neighbor, says Delassus was actually six months ahead on his taxes, which he paid directly to L.A. County.

On March 9, 2009, according to court documents, the bank informed Delassus that it was doubling his monthly mortgage payment to $2,429.13 to recoup the $13,361.90 in taxes.

"He came to me and told me what was going on" a couple of months later, Trujillo says. At that point, neither man knew that a bank typo was to blame. In December 2009, Wells Fargo notified Delassus that it intended to foreclose.

Then in May 2010, Trujillo discovered the erroneous fine print in Wells Fargo's original 2009 letter to Delassus — the "parcel number" off by two digits and belonging to somebody else.

In court documents later, Wells Fargo attorney Robert Bailey of Anglin Flewelling Rasmussen Campbell & Trytten LLP admitted the bank's mistake: "Wells Fargo paid the amount it determined was owed to the County Assessor: approximately $10,500. This was a mistake. The $10,500 was the tax amount owed on a neighboring property, not Plaintiff's." (Bailey did not address the discrepancy between $13,361 and $10,500.)

Bailey added: "In September, 2010 Wells Fargo acknowledged its error in paying the taxes on Plaintiff's neighbor's property and corrected it." By then, however, Delassus was so far behind on his mortgage payments wrongly doubled by Wells Fargo that the bank refused to let him resume his $1,237.69 installments, Trujillo says. He faced a sizable "reinstatement" cost — which is often the past due amount plus fees.

In an unsettling new twist, Delassus couldn't get Wells Fargo to tell him how much his reinstatement cost was. Later, in a videotaped deposition, Trujillo asks Michael Dolan, a litigation-support manager for Wells Fargo: "So Plaintiff was never provided with the reinstatement amount after the bank discovered its error, correct?"

Dolan responds, "That is correct."

Delassus and Trujillo — who is a business litigator but not a mortgage attorney — could have sought help from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, or from the Comptroller of the Currency in Washington, D.C., says Brian Hubbard, spokesman for the comptroller's office. But neither man knew about this outside help.

On Jan. 19, 2011, Trujillo videotaped Delassus on the phone, quietly speaking to a Wells Fargo representative. (Wachovia merged with Wells Fargo in December of 2008.) "Wachovia's never sent me how much my monthly payments would be, if that includes escrow or anything," Delassus says to the bank. "I'm kind of in the dark here. Reinstatement ... what would that be?"

After being transferred to another representative, Delassus says to Trujillo, "The music's gone, but nobody answers. I think we're disconnected. Shit. Hello? Hello? Dial tone. Fuckers." Six days later, on Jan. 25, 2011, Delassus did hear, clearly, from Wells Fargo: It wanted the total payoff amount on the condo, $337,250.40. (Wells Fargo refused to comment on specifics of the case.)

The huge sum was due the very next day, Trujillo says. Instead, he sued the bank on Jan. 26, claiming negligence and discrimination against a disabled person.

On May 13, 2011, shortly after another bad bout of illness, Delassus' condo was sold by the bank. In a videotaped court deposition later, Delassus breaks down crying. "I came back from the hospital, and that very day, they sold the son of a bitch," he says. "I'm homeless. I did not have a home. My condo — 16 years, gone. Gone."

Sad story. I thought you only hear of these stories happening when dealing with the public sector.
 

Genx87

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Jesus what a nightmare. I hope his estate continues to sue the hell out of Wells Fargo for this fuck up.
 

Engineer

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Just when I think that there is hope for humanity, along comes this story and just kicks me in the nuts. I agree with Genx87 100%+ on this issue. I hope that the estates sues the living fuck out of that piece of shit bank.
 

JTsyo

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Things like this, the phone is the wrong option. You need to show up at their offices with your paperwork and get it sorted out. I wonder what causes the banks to act like this. The bad PR is not worth a late mortgage. The reasonable approach would have been to reset this mortgage to what it was and just push it out a few months or forgive the missing months since it was their error.
 

RightIsWrong

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Things like this, the phone is the wrong option. You need to show up at their offices with your paperwork and get it sorted out. I wonder what causes the banks to act like this. The bad PR is not worth a late mortgage. The reasonable approach would have been to reset this mortgage to what it was and just push it out a few months or forgive the missing months since it was their error.

If they are unable to handle things like this on the phone, they shouldn't provide a phone number to call for more information and instead, provide an office address to go in person to speak with someone.

The problem with that is, they have downsized the physical spaces to only things that can provide them with profit. Giving customers a place to lodge formal disputes doesn't meet that definition. That's why they leave the only the number to a call center in India.
 

Jaskalas

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In this case, justice and vengeance would be just about the same.

How is it not clear to the court that Wells Fargo, owning up to the typo, is responsible for ALL damages?
 

monovillage

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So you're saying the courts are to blame here?

Considering that the judge in his case was finding for Wells Fargo, then yes, I put some of the blame for this massive fuck up on the courts. It should have taken one judge, one reading of the issues to solve this entire cluster fuck and force the banks to fix the damn problem. Instead it took years and no resolution and the guy dies while sitting in a damn courtroom.

Does the majority of the blame fall on the bank? Yes.
Did the court and the government that allowed this to happen contribute to it ? Yes.
 

DCal430

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Things like this, the phone is the wrong option. You need to show up at their offices with your paperwork and get it sorted out. I wonder what causes the banks to act like this. The bad PR is not worth a late mortgage. The reasonable approach would have been to reset this mortgage to what it was and just push it out a few months or forgive the missing months since it was their error.

Most big banks and even small banks will not deal with face to face when it comes to mortgage issues, everything is required to be done over the phone. There is no one you can even see face to face for something like this.
 

SagaLore

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:'(


Something has to be done about this. There are way too many stories like this.

I think its time to completely remove mortgages from banks. It should be a completely independent industry, with oversight that favors home owners and not the loaners.
 

CPA

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This is why you pay the small up-front payment to opt-out of the bank paying your taxes.

That said, I can't figure out how the court sided with Wells Fargo. They should be held 100% responsible.
 

dawp

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This is why you pay the small up-front payment to opt-out of the bank paying your taxes.

That said, I can't figure out how the court sided with Wells Fargo. They should be held 100% responsible.

he was paying the taxes directly to the county and not paying them through the bank:

Delassus, told that he owed taxes of $13,361.90 for 2007 and '08, was baffled. His attorney Anthony Trujillo, a friend and next-door neighbor, says Delassus was actually six months ahead on his taxes, which he paid directly to L.A. County.
 

Wheezer

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From the article:

In a series of painfully tragic events, Wells Fargo relied on its typographical error to double Delassus' mortgage — from $1,237.69 to $2,429.13 — as its way of recouping the $13,361.90 in taxes Delassus didn't owe. Delassus, a retiree living on a $1,655 check, couldn't meet the mysteriously increased mortgage. He stopped paying, and soon was far behind on his mortgage.

I feel for the guy and I am sure there is more to the story, but why the hell didn't he at least continue to make the payments and put the money in escrow?

It also seems based on the article that his attorney "friend" was a bumbling idiot and had no clue WTF he was doing. The guy should not have putzed around with someone who had no experience in this area and actually should have talked to a real attorney, he might still be a live and in his home.
 

Sonikku

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I sounds like the bank made a nice profit by selling the condo and a cripple leaching off our tax dollars on disability/Social Security is gone, lowering our deficit. What seems to be the problem?
 

CPA

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he was paying the taxes directly to the county and not paying them through the bank:

My bad, I thought it said the bank made the tax payments to the wrong account. I need the read the article again, it seems.
 

SagaLore

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I feel for the guy and I am sure there is more to the story, but why the hell didn't he at least continue to make the payments and put the money in escrow?

The sentence just before the one you bolded clearly explains that he couldn't make the doubled payment.
 

Yreka

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This is happening on a widespread basis, but the .gov will just offer a small fee for the banks to settle. Mortgage holders in these cases are either fraudulent or criminally incompetent.

They should be taken out into the street and shot.
 
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wirednuts

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Things like this, the phone is the wrong option. You need to show up at their offices with your paperwork and get it sorted out. I wonder what causes the banks to act like this. The bad PR is not worth a late mortgage. The reasonable approach would have been to reset this mortgage to what it was and just push it out a few months or forgive the missing months since it was their error.

i had similar issues with national city. i communicated solely by email. it took 3 months, but they not only cleared me of all deliquency they also took away the fees they imposed on the account. since it was all in writing, there wasnt any way they could snake around the facts.
 

Hugo Drax

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I wonder what bribe the Judge got for taking the side of the bank even though it was gross negligence that resulted in the individual losing his home.
 

Darwin333

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So you're saying the courts are to blame here?

Not the main party at "blame" but yes, sort of. Why the hell couldn't or didn't the judge say "yall fucked up, I am ordering you to reinstate her mortgage to its original state and repay anything she has paid above and beyond what her normal note was including all legal fees"??? The judicial system is supposed to settle bullshit like this and the bank admitted it was in error, how did the court not order them to fix it?
 
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