Wendy's Franchisee Cuts Employee Hours To Avoid obamacare

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umbrella39

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Yet another repost of a repost of a repost... same shit, different day, different excuse. Employers have been skirting FT hours for decades to avoid rewarding their hard working employees with benefits. This has nothing to do with Obamacare. This thread has everything to do with a troll partisan hack...

Yet another fake outrage troll thread....
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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Yet another repost of a repost of a repost... same shit, different day, different excuse. Employers have been skirting FT hours for decades to avoid rewarding their hard working employees with benefits. This has nothing to do with Obamacare. This thread has everything to do with a troll partisan hack...

Yet another fake outrage troll thread....

Well, what better way to jack up prices/profits and garner some added sympathy-induced revenue from fellow red-state customers by blaming it all on Obamacare eh? Just too convenient to pass up it seems.

It's just "good business practices" at work here. Squeezing out more profit at the expense of their own employees is pretty underhanded, IMO.
 

charrison

Lifer
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Well, what better way to jack up prices/profits and garner some added sympathy-induced revenue from fellow red-state customers by blaming it all on Obamacare eh? Just too convenient to pass up it seems.

It's just "good business practices" at work here. Squeezing out more profit at the expense of their own employees is pretty underhanded, IMO.

It is not that. A friend of mine operates several chain fast food restaurants and the costs of obamacare are more than what can be passed onto the consumer. So other areas, including employees have to be squeezed to remain profitable. This bill is going to make a bad situation worse.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Big deal, it's not like the non-management employees were getting bene's to begin with. So they'll cut hours, and hire a couple extra part timers...
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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It is not that. A friend of mine operates several chain fast food restaurants and the costs of obamacare are more than what can be passed onto the consumer. So other areas, including employees have to be squeezed to remain profitable. This bill is going to make a bad situation worse.

worse, as in maybe people will stop consuming shit food from shit food chains?
 

diesbudt

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What surprises me about Wendy's is while their burgers are decent (for fast food), if you get one of their $0.99 burgers it isn't just a scaled down version of a regular burger, it's like an entirely different quality of meat and just awful.

You noticed that too? I thought I was just crazy.
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
Jan 30, 2005
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And in the end, it will only hurt the franchisee:

Recent decisions by restaurant chains to pass the costs of Obamacare onto their employees or their customers in the form of reduced pay or higher prices have proven harmful to some companies in the short-term. Statements by Papa John's CEO John Schnatter about Obamacare hurt the company's reputation, according to a study by YouGov BrandIndex. In December, Darden Restaurants, the parent company of Olive Garden and Red Lobster, saw its profit plunge 37 percent after it announced plans to hire more part-time workers to avoid Obamacare costs.

Yet, companies which do the right thing that provide full health benefits to even part-time employees like Starbucks, REI, etc are still able to thrive.

Take care of your employees, implement other cost savings and it's a non-story.
 

FerrelGeek

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Raise their prices, people in this country have to realize things cost money. It's cheaper to eat at home anyhow.

Then the restaurants go out of business, increasing the unemployment rate, increasing the number of people dependent on the .gov.
 

Zivic

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And in the end, it will only hurt the franchisee:



Yet, companies which do the right thing that provide full health benefits to even part-time employees like Starbucks, REI, etc are still able to thrive.

Take care of your employees, implement other cost savings and it's a non-story.

what I find wrong is that the govt forces this crap healthcare bill down our throats. and when business take action to deal with it, they become the bad guys. This bill doesn't help our situation. I pay out of pocket for my healthcare and it is costing me 36% more due to this bill.

this is just one more thing the government has screwed up and then shifted the focus of blame on the companies.

I am all for healthcare reform but what we have now is not even a lateral move, it was a step backwards. Let's put the blame where it belongs, on the government, not a franchise owner
 
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what I find wrong is that the govt forces this crap healthcare bill down our throats. and when business take action to deal with it, they become the bad guys. This bill doesn't help our situation. I pay out of pocket for my healthcare and it is costing me 36% more due to this bill.

this is just one more thing the government has screwed up and then shifted the focus of blame on the companies.

I am all for healthcare reform but what we have now is not even a lateral move, it was a step backwards. Let's put the blame where it belongs, on the government, not a franchise owner

Excellent post, The government caused the problem and then that POS obama blames businesses. Well this is what happens when you impose these costs onto a business they will have to pass it on to the employees and customers.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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what I find wrong is that the govt forces this crap healthcare bill down our throats. and when business take action to deal with it, they become the bad guys. This bill doesn't help our situation. I pay out of pocket for my healthcare and it is costing me 36% more due to this bill.

this is just one more thing the government has screwed up and then shifted the focus of blame on the companies.

I am all for healthcare reform but what we have now is not even a lateral move, it was a step backwards. Let's put the blame where it belongs, on the government, not a franchise owner

Have you compared what the rapidly rising cost of healthcare was before and after the ACA was enacted to qualify your opinion on this issue? If so, can you share with us what you've found out? It would really bring to light what we're facing at the moment. Just asking.....
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Excellent post, The government caused the problem and then that POS obama blames businesses. Well this is what happens when you impose these costs onto a business they will have to pass it on to the employees and customers.

operational costs are always passed onto the customers. always...
 

actuarial

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Seriously, I never understood why this liberal government who proclaims to hate corporations has just given the biggest dole in the history of our nation to the insurance industry.

Do they really claim to hate corporations?
 

Tom

Lifer
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You don't seem to understand how things work. It has nothing to do with being entitled to cheap labor. The fact is that the employer can save money by reducing the hours of the workers so as to avoid obamacare cost increases. It's completely logical for them to do that. Competitors will be doing the same thing.

Ok. So what's the problem ?

The healthcare bill is designed to allow them to do so.

It isn't right for all the people who do have healthcare to subsidize Wendy's operating expenses by providing healthcare for their full-time employees. Which is what has been happening for decades via unpaid emergency room healthcare.
 

Zivic

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Have you compared what the rapidly rising cost of healthcare was before and after the ACA was enacted to qualify your opinion on this issue? If so, can you share with us what you've found out? It would really bring to light what we're facing at the moment. Just asking.....

Not sure how to accurately answer that question because the ACA is still being implemented. My rising costs were a result of a few factors, some of which were directly related to the ACA. For example, my rates increased because rather than have a $10m cap on my policy, with the ACA, my insurance company now had to cover me with no cap. I was under the impression I could keep my current coverage, but after speaking with a few people, that isn't exactly true.

I got further written notice from the govt that I qualified for other increases in coverage -> more "preventative care" with no out of pocket co-pays for example. So I inquired with my insurance provider about these increased "benefits". I was advise, yes, you definitely have them available to you and we can easily move you into one of these new plans/policy, but they will come with an increase in your premium.

Rather than address the issue of rising costs, we are now simply forcing more people into the pool. Not only that; forcing people like me into policies we wouldn't chose on our own. How does removing a coverage limit or increasing "free" preventative care help me in terms of rising healthcare costs when they make me pay for it in my premiums?

This bill wrongly increases the responsibility of employers to providing healthcare. since when did having a job you need filled and paying some one a wage now become a requirement to be in the health coverage business? If a business/employer wants to provide coverage for his employees, that is great, but to be forced into it is an entirely different situation.

I don't have all the answers, but every year I reshop my policy.... each year I come up with basically 3 policies that I can choose from by 2 companies. Doesn't even matter if we have a big exchange when the government is telling us what coverage we need to carry. It didn't matter that I had shopped around and bought a policy that I could afford that I felt met my needs.... govt stepped in and said nope, you need more coverage whether you think so or not, and guess what, we will force you to buy it.
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
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Not sure how to accurately answer that question because the ACA is still being implemented. My rising costs were a result of a few factors, some of which were directly related to the ACA. For example, my rates increased because rather than have a $10m cap on my policy, with the ACA, my insurance company now had to cover me with no cap. I was under the impression I could keep my current coverage, but after speaking with a few people, that isn't exactly true.

I got further written notice from the govt that I qualified for other increases in coverage -> more "preventative care" with no out of pocket co-pays for example. So I inquired with my insurance provider about these increased "benefits". I was advise, yes, you definitely have them available to you and we can easily move you into one of these new plans/policy, but they will come with an increase in your premium.

Rather than address the issue of rising costs, we are now simply forcing more people into the pool. Not only that; forcing people like me into policies we wouldn't chose on our own. How does removing a coverage limit or increasing "free" preventative care help me in terms of rising healthcare costs when they make me pay for it in my premiums?

This bill wrongly increases the responsibility of employers to providing healthcare. since when did having a job you need filled and paying some one a wage now become a requirement to be in the health coverage business? If a business/employer wants to provide coverage for his employees, that is great, but to be forced into it is an entirely different situation.

I don't have all the answers, but every year I reshop my policy.... each year I come up with basically 3 policies that I can choose from by 2 companies. Doesn't even matter if we have a big exchange when the government is telling us what coverage we need to carry. It didn't matter that I had shopped around and bought a policy that I could afford that I felt met my needs.... govt stepped in and said nope, you need more coverage whether you think so or not, and guess what, we will force you to buy it.


Quite informative. Thanks. :thumbsup:
 

Tom

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Not sure how to accurately answer that question because the ACA is still being implemented. My rising costs were a result of a few factors, some of which were directly related to the ACA. For example, my rates increased because rather than have a $10m cap on my policy, with the ACA, my insurance company now had to cover me with no cap. I was under the impression I could keep my current coverage, but after speaking with a few people, that isn't exactly true.

I got further written notice from the govt that I qualified for other increases in coverage -> more "preventative care" with no out of pocket co-pays for example. So I inquired with my insurance provider about these increased "benefits". I was advise, yes, you definitely have them available to you and we can easily move you into one of these new plans/policy, but they will come with an increase in your premium.

Rather than address the issue of rising costs, we are now simply forcing more people into the pool. Not only that; forcing people like me into policies we wouldn't chose on our own. How does removing a coverage limit or increasing "free" preventative care help me in terms of rising healthcare costs when they make me pay for it in my premiums?

This bill wrongly increases the responsibility of employers to providing healthcare. since when did having a job you need filled and paying some one a wage now become a requirement to be in the health coverage business? If a business/employer wants to provide coverage for his employees, that is great, but to be forced into it is an entirely different situation.

I don't have all the answers, but every year I reshop my policy.... each year I come up with basically 3 policies that I can choose from by 2 companies. Doesn't even matter if we have a big exchange when the government is telling us what coverage we need to carry. It didn't matter that I had shopped around and bought a policy that I could afford that I felt met my needs.... govt stepped in and said nope, you need more coverage whether you think so or not, and guess what, we will force you to buy it.

1. So who is supposed to pay for your healthcare if you reach the cap under your old policy ?

2. the free preventative care is an incentive to stay healthy, which in the long run should reduce healthcare costs. We should give it time to see if it works.

2. Obamacare didn't invent employee provided healthcare, that's the system we have.

Its just a fact that uninsured people have been getting healthcare, but the cost is shifted to all the people who do have healthcare. The principal behind Obamacare is that the uninsured need to have health insurance so they are paying their share and also hopefully getting better healthcare that will save money.

We can't look at Obamacare TODAY and say it isn't working, because the most significant changes haven't even started. What we should do is first acknowledge that the old system wasn't sustainable, and since Obamacare is happening we should give it a chance to see if it lowers healthcare costs overall, or at least reduces the increases.
 

FerrelGeek

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I don't know what 'free preventative care' you're talking about. My premiums keep going up and I am paying MORE for preventative care. I used to get complete bloodwork, urinalysis, and EKG as part of my annual physical - all covered. Not any more. I pay for all but the most rudimentary bloodwork. And my wife used to get a standard physical AND her well woman exam fully covered. Now she gets one or the other. So I pay more in premiums and out of pocket.

I'm all for health insurance reform. In fact I made a lengthy post on here with some suggestions on what could be done back in 2009 when obamacare was still being voted on.
 

Tom

Lifer
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I don't know what 'free preventative care' you're talking about. My premiums keep going up and I am paying MORE for preventative care. I used to get complete bloodwork, urinalysis, and EKG as part of my annual physical - all covered. Not any more. I pay for all but the most rudimentary bloodwork. And my wife used to get a standard physical AND her well woman exam fully covered. Now she gets one or the other. So I pay more in premiums and out of pocket.

I'm all for health insurance reform. In fact I made a lengthy post on here with some suggestions on what could be done back in 2009 when obamacare was still being voted on.

Are you getting older or younger ?

annual physicals aren't necessarily preventative care. They could be how your doctor pays his rent.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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That makes too much sense.

But, the reality is that our government of professional politicians and elected aristocrats will never do that. It would eat too much into their bottom line to cut out the insurance and pharma lobbyists.

Seriously, I never understood why this liberal government who proclaims to hate corporations has just given the biggest dole in the history of our nation to the insurance industry.

If the government wants to provide health care, they should just fucking open hospitals and PROVIDE FUCKING HEALTH CARE DIRECTLY. Forcing us to use the hugely inefficient and woefully inadequate insurance industry is nothing more than pork for the insurance industry. I'm sure Pelosi was paid hansomly for pushing this rubbish down our throats. And I'm sure she and many others will receive a seat on quite a few boards as a result of it.

Our country's lawmakers are a fucking joke.

Lets call the politicians doctors and let them treat people. It's so incredibly ready and st all they took care of a very simple thing, the cliff, in moments.
 

PokerGuy

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Ok. So what's the problem ?

The problem is that those who can least afford it are going to get hurt by this (their hours get cut and they lose benefits). Rational people of course predicted that this would happen, but idiots pushing this bill wouldn't believe it or want to blame the employers.
 

drebo

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Do they really claim to hate corporations?

Of course they do. But they only do it in public in front of the slavering masses who refuse to think for themselves.

The reality is that Obama is a bigger corporatist than Bush and Cheney combined.
 

FerrelGeek

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Are you getting older or younger ?

annual physicals aren't necessarily preventative care. They could be how your doctor pays his rent.

I've had the same tests done for years and they were covered. A urinalysis is about as rudimentary as it gets and that's no longer covered.
 

FerrelGeek

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Of course they do. But they only do it in public in front of the slavering masses who refuse to think for themselves.

The reality is that Obama is a bigger corporatist than Bush and Cheney combined.

Lot of bundlers made out good under Obama's first term.
 
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