Went to vote this morning before work

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: eleison
Yea, its going to be 8 years of Obama.

Fixed.

Although given the HUGE gains Democrats will make in the Senate and House, it looks like the entire electorate is moving center-left.

I guess we'll find out in 2 years whether this election signifies a shift towards the left or simply a perfect storm of anti-Bush/Republican sentiment.

I think it fits within historical patterns for a party to get thrown out after 8 years in office, though.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
That's going to make people not want to vote. I want to vote, but I really don't have that kind of time to wait in line (was going to go last week, but gf had a death in the family that kind of took away from that).

It dramatically makes it difficult for working class people to vote. In fact, in states which don't have early voting, it makes it nearly impossible for millions of people to vote.

this is a bunch of BS...if you care enough, you will vote.

you people make time to post on AT...take some time to vote

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: TallBill


Or how about 6.1% and we've certainly been a lot worse.

Unemployment, 1948-2008

only those actively drawing unemployment compensation are treated as unemployed. Most benefits last about six months, so after six months unemployment goes down even if there are no jobs. This is further distorted by the way jobs are counted. The figures are inflated by counting every part time job held by children and retirees into the mix.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: TallBill


Or how about 6.1% and we've certainly been a lot worse.

Unemployment, 1948-2008

only those actively drawing unemployment compensation are treated as unemployed. Most benefits last about six months, so after six months unemployment goes down even if there are no jobs. This is further distorted by the way jobs are counted. The figures are inflated by counting every part time job held by children and retirees into the mix.

unemployed people are defined as those actively looking for jobs, and do not have one

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: TallBill


Or how about 6.1% and we've certainly been a lot worse.

Unemployment, 1948-2008

only those actively drawing unemployment compensation are treated as unemployed. Most benefits last about six months, so after six months unemployment goes down even if there are no jobs. This is further distorted by the way jobs are counted. The figures are inflated by counting every part time job held by children and retirees into the mix.

unemployed people are defined as those actively looking for jobs, and do not have one

nm

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: jpeyton
High turnout = poison for the GOP

Yea, its going to be 4 years of Obama. IMHO, can't wait for the higher unemployment rates that his policies bring.

A recession and higher unemployment is coming regardless of who wins thanks to your boy Bush.

 

[bctbct]

I wonder if the voter count is up or if the machines are slowing the process?

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: bctbct
I wonder if the voter count is up or if the machines are slowing the process?

I think most states that have early voting are using a fraction of the machines available.

BTW, some things I heard on NPR on the way home:

-if things go as projected by the end of regular voting 75% of the eligible voters in North Carolina will have voted. That's an amazing turnout for a statewide number.

-expectations are 100 million people will vote on Tuesday.

If you are voting tomorrow, I'd say arrive at an offpeak hour and plan for a long wait. PS-see if an elderly neighbor needs a ride.

 

[CLite]

Holy shit both reps and dems are looking batshit crazy. Presidents do not have much power with the economy.

This is NOT Bush's fault. A combination of legislation from the 90's and Greenspan's low interest rates made credit very favorable. Combined with an overall perception of easy money people pursued over leveraging way too aggressively. This goes from the bottom with people getting big screens to houses with no backing all the way to the top with banks leveraging crazy shit like 30 to 1. This has nothing to do with tax cuts or the fucking war, as much as you might want to hate both of those. This has to do with the overall consumer model and banking thought process to be way way too highly favorable of credit.

It will NOT be Obama's/McCain's fault if this shit ain't fixed in a year.

P.S. Eleison: Looking forward to employment rising is pathetic and depicts how low of a human being you are to garner satisfaction from other people's misfortunation. I truly hope you reform your thinking or if you don't reform that karma finds a way to return to you.

 

[DrPizza]

When I go to vote tomorrow, there will be no more than 2 other voters there. I need to remember my camera - I've gotta get pictures of the old lever machine held together with baling twine.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Xavier434
...and will not magically change after Obama becomes Pres either. The fruits of his labor will take time to be realized. Of course, tons of people are just going to start blaming him for all sorts of problems and figures which have nothing to do with him at all.

I'll give him a year... That's a quarter of his term. I have a feeling he wouldn't be able to reverse it - but instead make it worse. Also, to make it a bit easier on Obama -- lets just go with the 7%-8% figure; I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of voters with "buyers remorse" who wouldn't have any jobs anymore... but who knows.

Dude, even McCain is claiming that the bulk of this problem will take 10 years to truly realize the solution. No one can change almost a decade of failed economic policy within one year.

Are you trying to say that you are going to do nothing but look at the unemployment numbers without analyzing in anyway why those numbers are the way that they are an immediately blame it on Obama? What sense does that make? How does that help us fix the problem?

10 years!!!!! That's a long time. I feel the voting pop. will not give Obama anymore time than 1 year (not to mention 10) -- especially if they noticed that the jobless rate climbing ever so higher than it ever was during the "hated" Bush reign.

1 year after all is a quarter of Obama's term and he does have a liberal house. Thats four business quarters -- lets see how "sharing the wealth" affects the economy. Remember folks, the target is to be better than 7-8 % unemployment rate ;-)

Please. We've been set up for this economic fall by 8 years of repub rule, and we're really just starting into it. Hell, this has been in the making since the Reagan era.

Righties are just trying to set unreasonable expectations, angle for dissatisfaction in 2012 acting in their favor...

Fat chance, but when that's all you've got...

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

You think McCain could have raised $600 million if he opted out of public campaign funding? :laugh: When pigs with lipstick fly.

I'm sure he could have if he accepted funds from untraceable pre-paid credit cards

 

[FuzzyBee]

Geez, people. There are long lines because there are masses of people trying to vote on a minimum number of machines. Is the math that hard to fathom? Come Tuesday, when there are more people voting, but a hell of a lot more voting machines, do you really expect the lines to be four hours long?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: jpeyton
High turnout = poison for the GOP

Which is why election day is NOT a holiday. And why Republicans want to make it as hard as possible for people to vote.

Wait...its the GOP's fault there are lines? lol

Its all good its the Dems fault only 40% of our country votes

Partisan post of the day for sure.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
That's going to make people not want to vote. I want to vote, but I really don't have that kind of time to wait in line (was going to go last week, but gf had a death in the family that kind of took away from that).

It dramatically makes it difficult for working class people to vote. In fact, in states which don't have early voting, it makes it nearly impossible for millions of people to vote.

aren't workers paid anyway? I know there are workers who have to punch-in, but I thought even this was covered in the law?

If it's illegal to withhold an employee from voting, there should be adequate compensation for the employee's lost time, no?

Uh, no. You can legally be fired for missing work to vote. You can legally not be paid for missing work to vote. You cannot use that you were "voting" as an excuse.

uh, no you cant lol

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
That's going to make people not want to vote. I want to vote, but I really don't have that kind of time to wait in line (was going to go last week, but gf had a death in the family that kind of took away from that).

It dramatically makes it difficult for working class people to vote. In fact, in states which don't have early voting, it makes it nearly impossible for millions of people to vote.

aren't workers paid anyway? I know there are workers who have to punch-in, but I thought even this was covered in the law?

If it's illegal to withhold an employee from voting, there should be adequate compensation for the employee's lost time, no?

Uh, no. You can legally be fired for missing work to vote. You can legally not be paid for missing work to vote. You cannot use that you were "voting" as an excuse.

uh, no you cant lol

Depends on the state:
http://www.toolkit.com/small_b.../sbg.aspx?nid=P05_4335

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
That's going to make people not want to vote. I want to vote, but I really don't have that kind of time to wait in line (was going to go last week, but gf had a death in the family that kind of took away from that).

It dramatically makes it difficult for working class people to vote. In fact, in states which don't have early voting, it makes it nearly impossible for millions of people to vote.

aren't workers paid anyway? I know there are workers who have to punch-in, but I thought even this was covered in the law?

If it's illegal to withhold an employee from voting, there should be adequate compensation for the employee's lost time, no?

Uh, no. You can legally be fired for missing work to vote. You can legally not be paid for missing work to vote. You cannot use that you were "voting" as an excuse.

uh, no you cant lol

Depends on the state:
http://www.toolkit.com/small_b.../sbg.aspx?nid=P05_4335

Fair enough I wouldnt see it happening widescale though.

 

[Dufusyte]

Vote by mail FTW. It's paper; it's convenient.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
High turnout = poison for the GOP

So what does very little turn out in Pennsylvania mean?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Ferocious

Originally posted by: jpeyton
High turnout = poison for the GOP

Not necessarily.

There were long lines here in Ohio in 2004. I live in a county that is traditionally red, voted red in 2004, and had unusually long lines in 2004.

Don't expect to actually respond when he's wrong.

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: jpeyton
High turnout = poison for the GOP

Yea, its going to be 4 years of Obama. IMHO, can't wait for the higher unemployment rates that his policies bring.

Well around here we're at 10%+ under Bushes great policies. Sure it could get worse, but right now there's a lot of room for improvement.

Or how about 6.1% and we've certainly been a lot worse.

Unemployment, 1948-2008

In my county we're 10%. Washington is among the highest unemployment in the nation.