Were the Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions good movies?

[bigi]

If you think the worst piece of shit to ever crap from the rancid assholes of two mediocre directors and two abysmally bad screenwriters is considered good, then you might like them.


As for most people with a minor twitching of taste and self-respect, these were horrid films.

Dude, looks like you have got to reload (or rather unload) but I am afraid it will not help nutcase like yours.

All are fine movies and have many that would never been dreamed up in Hollywood productions. All set up a new trend in movies and have been copied in many ways afterwards.

Somebody just does not get it.

 

[Macamus Prime]

When I 1st saw them, I hated them.

Upon going back and watching them again, one after the other - I feel they are perfect. They address everything as well as speak about the human condition and human spirit.

How hope and miracles really do work. It's a wonderful trilogy.

 

[irishScott]

They were good, not great IMO. They're a low priority on my blu-ray "to buy when cheap" list.

That said the special effects and action are awesome, especially in Reloaded, so for that alone I'd say check them out.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I liked reloaded and didn't like revolutions.

 

[SagaLore]

They were good but not great. Not nearly as great as the first one.

A few mistakes were made:

- Almost all of the in-the-Matrix fight scenes were in the 2nd movie, 3rd movie was almost all out of the matrix using mech fighters which was a huge tangent to what we'd expect out of this story.

- Although the soundtrack was nice, it was too different than the feel of the 1st movie's soundtrack. They tried too hard to make it "epic".

- Keanu hardly talked in the entire film. When he finally did talk, it was very forced and seemed like it was high at the time. Kind of hard to care about the hero when he's not actually a focal point in the movie.

- The way they ended the 2nd movie with the "to be continued" was too abrupt. It was non stop action, then all of the sudden he's in a coma, and then they stop the movie. Rather than feeling like there was an awesome cliffhanger when I left the theater, I was left with a "WTF?" feeling.

- They did a poor job of explaining/justifying the train station scene; the stuff the oracle was spouting wasn't even a riddle, it was just empty nonsense. Its cool when movies leave something open to interpretation, but in this case they didn't given enough info to even do that.

- They used too much CGI for the fight scenes. The "wow" of the 1st movie was the use of bullet time photography. They tried to fake it with CGI in the next 2, but did a poor job.

- The very last fight scene was far from awesome. It could have been way more intense than it was.

 

[Macamus Prime]

They're a low priority on my blu-ray "to buy when cheap" list.

Is $30 cheap enough?

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Matri...5690815&sr=8-1

 

[irishScott]

Is $30 cheap enough?

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Matri...5690815&sr=8-1

I bought the 1st one individually on a dirt-cheap black friday sale 2 years ago while the collection was still $60. Meaning I've got to find a sub $10 reloaded and likewise for revolutions when it's released individually.

 

[darkxshade]

They should have included a fight scene where Neo enters the P&N section of the Matrix.

 

[Macamus Prime]

I bought the 1st one individually on a dirt-cheap black friday sale 2 years ago while the collection was still $60. Meaning I've got to find a sub $10 reloaded and likewise for revolutions when it's released individually.

Ah, gotcha.

If anything, that collection comes with the Animatrix. Maybe sell your copy and pick up this collection.

Your call obviously.

 

[MrChad]

These essays may help give you a different perspective on them. They may be complete BS, or the movies are much deeper than most people give them credit for:

http://www.wylfing.net/essays/matrix_reloaded.html
http://www.wylfing.net/essays/matrix_revolutions.html

 

[Juddog]

Matrix 1 > Animatrix > Matrix 3 > Matrix 2.

They were all worth watching, but some stuff didn't make much sense unless you watched animatrix in between. I enjoyed all 4 immensely. There is a lot of ideas and such that are presented in the Matrix that leave the viewer to try and understand the plot line in a deeper way, but most people don't want to make the effort.

Even the Matrix 1 had it's plot dumb downed from the get go because the general audience people were too stupid to understand ideas like distributed computing (in the original script the humans were being used as supercomputing clusters, ie the organic equivalent of a beowulf cluster, but instead they changed it to the battery which is easier to understand but doesn't make as much sense since the machine could use fission or fusion for a much better energy source).

 

[GTaudiophile]

The Matrix is a delightful surprise. Like many, I own the DVD. Reloaded only has one quality scene involving the orgasm pie. Revolutions is just a bunch of convoluted crap. I watched the latter two movies once in the theater and never again since.

 

[classy]

I thought Reloaded was good, but Revolutions was ok at best. I thought they kinda tried to add to many twists to end it. It just went flaky.

 

[Gothgar]

They were both fun.

They were lacking in most departments, but they looked beautiful, and there was a load of fun action in them.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The Matrix was excellent because it came out of nowhere. The story was engaging and the action sequences were superb. The sequels tried way too hard to do everything "bigger" than the first, and they ended up a mess. When they tried to expand the story of the matrix to include the architect and the keymaster and the gatekeeper and the millionaire and his wife (yes, I deliberately referenced both Ghostbusters and Gilligan's Island in describing the plot of Matrix: Reloaded, which should give you an idea of how retarded that movie really was), things went beyond "convoluted" into "complete nonsense." Couple that with action sequences that go on for so long that they get boring or feel more like a tech demo than a well-choreographed action sequence (Neo fights off hundreds of Agent Smiths because we can do that with CGI!), Jesus God... it's just bad film-making. And they try to write really powerful, moving speeches, but they aren't very good writers, and their actors aren't equipped to deliver the emotional punch they're trying for, so you have Keanu and Carrie Ann Moss just chewing the scenery with the most overwrought bullshit, which becomes downright unpleasant to watch.

I'm not saying that there aren't good moments to be had in the sequels. But compared to the first one they were such a letdown that it actually cheapens the effectiveness of the first movie. If The Matrix had been left as a standalone product, it would be one of the top 100 films of all time. Because it will forever be burdened with unnecessary and poorly made sequels, it is not.

 

[NuclearNed]

My biggest problem with both movies is when Neo starts developing "magical" powers outside the Matrix. Up until that point, the plot was logical and made a lot of sense. Since the "Matrix within a Matrix" theory supposedly isn't true, I can't ignore the abrupt and unbelievable leap from techno-thriller to fantasy. It ruined both Reloaded and Revolutions for me.

 

[RPD]

Why does everyone try to hold this trilogy to some high standard? They are action flicks, nothing more and nothing less.

I liked them for their SPX's and the action.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Nothing in Reloaded made sense. They were introducing random characters and situations out of nowhere and their idea of "exposition" was to just have various people explain everything in long speeches. The effects were good but if all you want is eye candy there are plenty of movies that have it and aren't so painful to watch.

I did not bother seeing Revolutions after seeing Reloaded. What a dismal failure.

EDIT: If you liked the Transformers movies, you'd probably like the Matrix sequels. They're essentially the same thing - a special effects show with a few badly-written, meaningless characters thrown in.

 

[gorcorps]

2nd one was okay from an overdone action movie perspective. 3rd one was pretty much all garbage. The first one was great because it was a good movie with an interesting premise, and then the action was done via impressive film work with slight digital effects. The 2nd one used too many digital effects and c-gen in the action scenes so it looked too fake.

 

[gorcorps]

The Matrix was excellent because it came out of nowhere. The story was engaging and the action sequences were superb. The sequels tried way too hard to do everything "bigger" than the first, and they ended up a mess. When they tried to expand the story of the matrix to include the architect and the keymaster and the gatekeeper and the millionaire and his wife (yes, I deliberately referenced both Ghostbusters and Gilligan's Island in describing the plot of Matrix: Reloaded, which should give you an idea of how retarded that movie really was), things went beyond "convoluted" into "complete nonsense." Couple that with action sequences that go on for so long that they get boring or feel more like a tech demo than a well-choreographed action sequence (Neo fights off hundreds of Agent Smiths because we can do that with CGI!), Jesus God... it's just bad film-making. And they try to write really powerful, moving speeches, but they aren't very good writers, and their actors aren't equipped to deliver the emotional punch they're trying for, so you have Keanu and Carrie Ann Moss just chewing the scenery with the most overwrought bullshit, which becomes downright unpleasant to watch.

I'm not saying that there aren't good moments to be had in the sequels. But compared to the first one they were such a letdown that it actually cheapens the effectiveness of the first movie. If The Matrix had been left as a standalone product, it would be one of the top 100 films of all time. Because it will forever be burdened with unnecessary and poorly made sequels, it is not.

I don't know what's worse, your references or the fact that I didn't even notice you were kidding... they were pretty bad.

 

[blankslate]

I think all of the movies had some interesting ideas in them... especially the first one.

Unfortunately they were not as well executed in the last 2 movies as they were in the first one.

One thing that struck me in the second movie was that the idea of the "seventh son of a seventh son" myth was worked into the storyline.

When the Merovingian mentions that he has encountered his predecessors before it raises questions...
Then you learn that the movies are covering the v6 of the Matrix (from listening to what the Architect says to Neo).... The Matrix could be considered to be the father of Neo since it's a flaw in the Matrix that causes Neo to be born (if you believe the architect, he may not know quite everything).

So version 6 of the Matrix would mean that Neo is the 6th son of a 6th son (the matrix being the son of the Architect).
He's more powerful that his predicessors (something that you can tell from the Merovingian's reaction to his fight with the henchmen).
However, he's not as powerful as a Neo who came from a possible 7th version of the Matrix created in the future would be.

When I heard the dialogue from the scene from the Architect I was certain that Neo would die in the last movie simply because he wasn't "born" of the Matrix version 7.

Great ideas awesome execution in the 1st movie... okay execution in the 2nd... 3rd movie needed more work and rewrites in my opinion.

Additionally if you read the storyline that the MMO of the Matrix used and was going to introduce in the future it was actually an interesting continuation of the movie trilogy.

(you can find an outline of plotpoints at the matrix wikia)

 

[zinfamous]

Dude, looks like you have got to reload (or rather unload) but I am afraid it will not help nutcase like yours.

All are fine movies and have many that would never been dreamed up in Hollywood productions. All set up a new trend in movies and have been copied in many ways afterwards.

Somebody just does not get it.

lol

pro tip: just because it spawns a trend, does not mean it is a good trend.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Nothing in Reloaded made sense. They were introducing random characters and situations out of nowhere and their idea of "exposition" was to just have various people explain everything in long speeches. The effects were good but if all you want is eye candy there are plenty of movies that have it and aren't so painful to watch.

I did not bother seeing Revolutions after seeing Reloaded. What a dismal failure.

EDIT: If you liked the Transformers movies, you'd probably like the Matrix sequels. They're essentially the same thing - a special effects show with a few badly-written, meaningless characters thrown in.

The effects might have been the worst part of Reloaded. They were so forced and awkward. It was like they paused the movie and spliced in clips of a CGI animator showing what he did over the weekend. It might have been technically better than the special effects in the first one, but they were used so horribly that it made them far worse. The truck collision is horrendous, as was the million Smith scene. Oh, and Superman Neo at the end was also fucking stupid.

Reloaded was complete shit. Revolutions might have been even worse, but I personally think it had the only two scenes that I liked out of either of them. Trinity's ass kicking to save Neo and the mech guns.

 

[Engineer]

I enjoyed all 3 movies with #2 being the least good of the bunch.

#1 was the best followed by #3 and then #2.

 

[mugs]

I haven't even watched them since I saw them in the theater. All I remember are the car chase with the two white dudes and the scene with infinite Agent Smiths.