Westinghouse L2410NM vs. Soyo DYLM24D6

[lilbabimac]

I originally created this thread to ask specifically about the Westinghouse, but now it's on all three monitors listed in the title. I have the Soyo here setup next to me, but PQ isn't too great since I'm connected to my laptop via VGA. I was a bit concerned about what batch of problems I'd be getting with this monitor after reading all the horror stories, but so far, I don't have any problems to report. I haven't opened the Westinghouse yet, but what do you guys think? Currently, I rank the monitors in the following order (want most to want least):

1. Westinghouse (M-PVA with plenty of inputs)
2. Soyo (M-PVA)

*The Acer 24" x241w is an AMVA panel and NOT a TN panel. More info here.

 

[adiv12121]

It is absolutely GORGEOUS. Now that I own it, I dont know how I was using my 17" samsung for so long. . . I got a great price on it at newegg. Games look amazing, hi-def vidoes are great, HD-DVDs via hdmi from my laptop are unbelievable.

I know there are a lot of problems reported with the model, but I havent experienced any of them. I have 0 dead/stuck pixels. No screen door effect. No whine when the brightness is below 100. The buttons are a little awkward, but you get used to them. Lack of DVI not an issue, just get a dvi-hdmi cable (which is unfortunately not included). Just got a hdtv tuner for my pc yesterday and it works great as an hdtv as well

I would recommend this monitor to anyone. My only regret is that I waited so long to get it. I was considering cheaper 22" monitors, but this blows everything I have seen out of the water. Cant get an MPVA panel in any other monitor this size without spending twice as much money. If you have any specific questions, or need any other info, feel free to ask. Also can look at the user reviews on newegg (i gave it 5 eggs).

 

[LiquidX]

I'm also interested in this monitor. How is the stand? Any bleeding or major problems with blacks? Also have you watched a movie on it and if so how is the quality? I'm thinking of ordering from Newegg as well...did it have a recent manufacturer date and packed well?

 

[n7]

Cheap P-MVA; great option to get into the 24" size w/o spending alot or getting a craptastic TN instead.

 

[hans007]

the acer is TN.


there is an acer model i think the al2416 where depending on the letters attached to the end, it is TN of mva. its like wd vs w or something lik ethat.

 

[adiv12121]

Originally posted by: LiquidX
I'm also interested in this monitor. How is the stand? Any bleeding or major problems with blacks? Also have you watched a movie on it and if so how is the quality? I'm thinking of ordering from Newegg as well...did it have a recent manufacturer date and packed well?

In my experience, the stand is fine. Monitor can wobble back to front slightly, but nothing like other users make it out to be. I have not noticed any bleeding of the colors, in fact the colors are amazing. I havent watched a movie that is really dark (like batman begins for example) but the blacks have been fine for everything i have watched. Significantly better than my old Samsung 17" TN panel which suffered from bleeding and poor color reproduction.

I watched the opening scene of Transformers HD-DVD via hdmi from my laptop and it was amazing. I have also been watching hdtv via my new pctv hd pro stick and the football games this weekend and other shows broadcast in HD are incredible.

As far as the packaging, it comes in the westinghouse box and thats it. Inside, the monitor is very secure with foam and a plastic cover on the screen. I was a little concerned when I got home and saw the box because there was a gouge in part of the box, but it wasnt nearly deep enough to harm the monitor. Hmm, I cant seem to find a manufacturer date anywhere on the product, packaging or documentation.

Overall this is much better than any TN panel you can get in the same price range. I highly recommend the monitor. You will have to tweak the settings (it ships at 100 brightness, which seems like it will fry your eyeballs), but once that is taken care of, the monitor is amazing. I'd be happy to answer any other questions you might have.

 

[manimal]

I have 2 gateway 2485s and one westy 2410 and PQ between the two models is very comparable. While it takes drastically different settings to produce similar results the 2410 does a great job. Backlight bleed is not present, gaming response is fine, and it displays fine over hdmi-dvi. Performance over analog is disapointing, 1920x1200 didnt display right on multiple sources and the anoying standby blue screen almost made me return it. I turn it off by hand now but the added step is really unnecessary. If this thing didnt cost $300 at Best Buy I would have returned it.

 

[LiquidX]

Not my thread but thanks a lot for the input guys. Few more questions. I read that some think it was changed over to a TN panel. Any word on it its 1000% accurate? Would newegg most likely send me these new models? Also some say there is noise when the brightness is lowered past 90. Is this a problem?

 

[festus]

Originally posted by: LiquidX
Not my thread but thanks a lot for the input guys. Few more questions. I read that some think it was changed over to a TN panel. Any word on it its 1000% accurate? Would newegg most likely send me these new models? Also some say there is noise when the brightness is lowered past 90. Is this a problem?

This was a bit of a mess. The initial batch of monitors shipped with specs and manuals indicating a TN panel. From what I understand, these were the initial specs for the monitor, but they switched the panel to M-PVA and didn't update the packaging/manual.

They corrected this in later shipments, bit it still caused a lot of confusion.

I picked it up a few months ago and have been pretty happy with it. As others have mentioned, it does require some tweaking out of the box to get it looking right, but its an awesome monitor for the price.

 

[lilbabimac]

You know, despite having the Soyo hooked up and not having any problems with it so far, I'm still leaning towards the Westinghouse due to all the inputs and the fact that it's the most aesthetically pleasing looking monitor I've seen out of all the 24's (Acer is pretty much out of the race for me since it's MOST likely a TN). Also, there's been a lot of cases I've read about where the Soyo was fine for weeks and even months, but ended up crapping out down the line. I REALLY don't want to deal with a monitor crapping out on me later cuz then that leads to the hassle of getting it replaced/fixed under warranty. Anyway, I still have a few concerns about the Westinghouse that's preventing me from confidently going with it:

1. I've heard of the "screen door" effect on these monitors that makes part of the screen look grainy.

2. A lot of people seem to experience a buzzing sound when lowering the brightness to anything less than 100%. I can't stand annoying sounds, let alone a buzzing sound.

3. I was also gonna ask about the TN speculation, but thanks for clearing it up festsus. So for sure, none of these monitors are TN's despite what's labeled on the box? Some people seem to get boxes that shows 160 viewing angles with 5ms response time which is characteristic of a TN.

4. Some people report that the response time of 8ms is too slow for fast paced games such as first person shooters like Crysis.

5. Any other potential problems I might've missed or forgot to mention?

Have you Westy owners experienced any of these problems? Also, what's the manufacture date for your monitor? Appreciate all the feedback/comments so far guys. Thanks!

 

[soccerballtux]

That Westinghouse is no longer a P-MVA panel, it is now TN. SOYO in my opinion is where it's at.

 

[adiv12121]

The Westinghouse L2410nm is definitely a PVA panel, not a TN. lilbabimac, as for the problems you brought up:

1. I have not seen or experienced the screen door effect at all.

2. I lowered my brightness to around 50 and set it there. I do not hear any noise from the monitor over the ambient noise from computer. However, when I put my head to the back of the panel, I was able to hear a slight humming/buzzing which is not noticeable to me during normal operation.

3. Definitely a PVA panel. No light bleeding or bad viewing angles that are characteristic of a TN panel.

4. Havent played crisis, but I had no problems playing COD4 at 1920x1200. No ghosting or input lag.

5. People dont like the way the buttons are laid out on the side. It is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. It was pretty easy to figure out what buttons did what in order to fix the settings and never have to touch the buttons again. Finally, there is no dvi-hdmi cable included which would have been nice and there is no powersave over hdmi (monitor goes to blue screen but doesnt shut off). Oh well, have to manually turn off the monitor.

 

[manimal]

My only gripe really on this monitor is the fact that when the monitor goes to sleep the screen does not go dark, it goes blue with a DVI adapter added to the hdmi port. This could be fixed with a firmware update, im assuming, but it hasnt happened yet as far as I know.

 

[lilbabimac]

Originally posted by: adiv12121
The Westinghouse L2410nm is definitely a PVA panel, not a TN. lilbabimac, as for the problems you brought up:

1. I have not seen or experienced the screen door effect at all.

2. I lowered my brightness to around 50 and set it there. I do not hear any noise from the monitor over the ambient noise from computer. However, when I put my head to the back of the panel, I was able to hear a slight humming/buzzing which is not noticeable to me during normal operation.

3. Definitely a PVA panel. No light bleeding or bad viewing angles that are characteristic of a TN panel.

4. Havent played crisis, but I had no problems playing COD4 at 1920x1200. No ghosting or input lag.

5. People dont like the way the buttons are laid out on the side. It is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. It was pretty easy to figure out what buttons did what in order to fix the settings and never have to touch the buttons again. Finally, there is no dvi-hdmi cable included which would have been nice and there is no powersave over hdmi (monitor goes to blue screen but doesnt shut off). Oh well, have to manually turn off the monitor.

My only gripe really on this monitor is the fact that when the monitor goes to sleep the screen does not go dark, it goes blue with a DVI adapter added to the hdmi port. This could be fixed with a firmware update, im assuming, but it hasnt happened yet as far as I know.

Thanks for your response again guys! I'm aware of the things you guys mentioned above, and honestly, it wouldn't bother me at all.

Adiv, I'm glad to hear that there isn't any ghosting issues with COD 4 as the response time was one of my biggest concerns. Any experience with gaming on this monitor from you manimal?

BTW, what are your guy's manufacture date on the monitor?

That Westinghouse is no longer a P-MVA panel, it is now TN. SOYO in my opinion is where it's at.

Do you know this for a fact or are you just speculating based on what you've read? If it's the latter, I probably have read the same things as you and I couldn't definitively conclude if there was a switch in panels or not.

 

[LiquidX]

Well, I ordered from Newegg and it should arrive tomorrow. I just hope there are no problems once it arrives.

Also many have said to buy a Dvi to HDMI cable. Anyone has one and can recommend a cheap one?

 

[lilbabimac]

Originally posted by: LiquidX
Well, I ordered from Newegg and it should arrive tomorrow. I just hope there are no problems once it arrives.

Also many have said to buy a Dvi to HDMI cable. Anyone has one and can recommend a cheap one?

Monoprice is the best place for that. I'd appreciate if you can give some feedback too once your monitor arrives .

 

[fk49]

Any word on how long that $50 rebate takes to get back?

 

[CP5670]

1. I've heard of the "screen door" effect on these monitors that makes part of the screen look grainy.

This is a problem with all LCDs to some extent. VA panels generally exhibit it the least though, and the relatively small pixel pitches on the 24" monitors also help.

 

[LiquidX]

Well I got mine today and its big and beautiful. No dead pixels or that screen door effect but I do hear the buzzing talked about when the brightness is lowered. Not quite sure yet if it will bother me in the long run. Anyway I will move on for now. Aesthetically its gorgeous. With the commotion some made about the buttons on the side I figured it would be atrocious but its really not and I cant see my self fiddling with it much for it to be a bother me. I was going to get that HDMI-DVI cable but I might hold of for now because it looks damn good connected via VGA. I watched some DivX files and DVD they all looked great. Also played a little Medal of Honor Airborne which is a very dark game and the blacks looks just as good as my CRT and there was no ghosting. Also the viewing angles are great and actually better than one of my expensive 19: Samsung LCD TVs. Very, very impressed and I'm coming from a Mitsubishi 2070 which along with the Sony 24" is considered the best CRTs ever made. Have to also say I think the size is perfect, my Mitsubishi was 22" but this seem so much bigger without being overwhelming. I use the word overwhelming because I was actually using my 32" LCD TV before making a choice and I even though it looked good it was just to damn big to be sitting a few inches from so I couldnt imagine what its like for those sitting in front of those 37" Westinghouses. Perfect size, perfect features and coming from one of the best CRTs I think the quality is up there.

Though not my thread thanks for the input as it made my decision easier and I'm happy but still have to see if I can get over the buzzing which is like a very silent fan. Will be happy to answer and questions also.

Two pictures. Not the best and I will take some better ones later. It looks a whole lot better in person.
http://i224.photobucket.com/al...252/fsft_album/2-2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/al...252/fsft_album/1-1.jpg

 

[lilbabimac]

Originally posted by: LiquidX
Well I got mine today and its big and beautiful. No dead pixels or that screen door effect but I do hear the buzzing talked about when the brightness is lowered. Not quite sure yet if it will bother me in the long run. Anyway I will move on for now. Aesthetically its gorgeous. With the commotion some made about the buttons on the side I figured it would be atrocious but its really not and I cant see my self fiddling with it much for it to be a bother me. I was going to get that HDMI-DVI cable but I might hold of for now because it looks damn good connected via VGA. I watched some DivX files and DVD they all looked great. Also played a little Medal of Honor Airborne which is a very dark game and the blacks looks just as good as my CRT and there was no ghosting. Also the viewing angles are great and actually better than one of my expensive 19: Samsung LCD TVs. Very, very impressed and I'm coming from a Mitsubishi 2070 which along with the Sony 24" is considered the best CRTs ever made. Have to also say I think the size is perfect, my Mitsubishi was 22" but this seem so much bigger without being overwhelming. I use the word overwhelming because I was actually using my 32" LCD TV before making a choice and I even though it looked good it was just to damn big to be sitting a few inches from so I couldnt imagine what its like for those sitting in front of those 37" Westinghouses. Perfect size, perfect features and coming from one of the best CRTs I think the quality is up there.

Though not my thread thanks for the input as it made my decision easier and I'm happy but still have to see if I can get over the buzzing which is like a very silent fan. Will be happy to answer and questions also.

Two pictures. Not the best and I will take some better ones later. It looks a whole lot better in person.
http://i224.photobucket.com/al...252/fsft_album/2-2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/al...252/fsft_album/1-1.jpg

Oh wow, that looks really nice! Glad to hear you're not having any problems with it. You know, as for the buzzing sound, my Soyo has a very SLIGHT buzzing sound as well, but you can only hear it when you put your ear right up to the monitor. With other ambient noises in the room, I don't really hear it at all. Is the buzzing sound on the Westy like that too or is it a more noticeable buzzing sound?

 

[LiquidX]

Its a very low pitched hum. Not very loud but very noticeable when brightness is lower the 100. I think I found a solution in just messing with the video card contrast and brightness of the monitor but I still don't like the idea of having to have the brightness at 100 to get rid of the buzzing. Other than that its damn perfect compared to my Nec/Mitsubishi CRT which also made a low pitch noise for awhile. Its a very worthy upgrade coming from that CRT but I'm still not sure if I should consider the humming a defect and return it.

Going read up some more to see if there is a solution or something I have to live with if I keep it. I think I can get use to it if I can my case fans. Its not that it bothersome but I would still prefer it not buzzing.

 

[lilbabimac]

Yeah, I know EXACTLY how you feel man. But I was thinking, from the people who reported having no buzzing sounds, do you think they just don't notice it? From what people were saying about the "problem," you'd expect to hear this noticeable, loud buzzing sound when in actuality, it's fairly quiet and drowned out by ambient noises. Just like I was saying with my Soyo - I've read that this monitor has buzzing noise problems too, but the buzzing sound might actually be what I'm hearing when I put my ear right next to it. You should probably ask adiv about it and compare it to the sound you're hearing from your monitor.

 

[kmmatney]

I've been very happy with my Soyo for $299, but if you can get them for all teh same price, then the Westinghouse may be a better deal, due to all of the inputs. The horror stories about the Soyo are way overblown.

 

[lilbabimac]

Originally posted by: kmmatney
I've been very happy with my Soyo for $299, but if you can get them for all teh same price, then the Westinghouse may be a better deal, due to all of the inputs. The horror stories about the Soyo are way overblown.

Just had a stuck pixel appear on my Soyo...

 

[lilbabimac]

Originally posted by: LiquidX
Its a very low pitched hum. Not very loud but very noticeable when brightness is lower the 100. I think I found a solution in just messing with the video card contrast and brightness of the monitor but I still don't like the idea of having to have the brightness at 100 to get rid of the buzzing. Other than that its damn perfect compared to my Nec/Mitsubishi CRT which also made a low pitch noise for awhile. Its a very worthy upgrade coming from that CRT but I'm still not sure if I should consider the humming a defect and return it.

Going read up some more to see if there is a solution or something I have to live with if I keep it. I think I can get use to it if I can my case fans. Its not that it bothersome but I would still prefer it not buzzing.

How is the buzzing? Find a solution to it yet?