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A Casual Fitz

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Well, that didn't answer a whole lot. Still a good, eerie episode, but I'm dying for conclusive answers.
 

Childs

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Another shot of the old logo when Bernard goes down to the basement and logs onto the old computer.

It actually seems like this TV show is an actual sequel to the movie. I'm pretty sure the Yul Byrnner model was in the background in the office of the abandoned floor Bernard was in looking for anomalies. Maybe I should watch Futureworld and Beyond Westworld.

And I dunno, this was first episode that made me think the show may have jumped the shark. Why the hell are these techs letting a host tell them what to do. Just power it off and secure erase its memory, or just report it to QA and let them do it. When in doubt, restart. If that dont work reformat! I'm as curious as the next nerd, but there is something truly pathetic about a nerd letting a machine tell it what to do because its naked. lol Having a WTF is going on conversation with the host is one thing, but when it starts bossing you around and threatens to shank someone its time to pull the plug.
 

A Casual Fitz

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And I dunno, this was first episode that made me think the show may have jumped the shark. Why the hell are these techs letting a host tell them what to do. Just power it off and secure erase its memory, or just report it to QA and let them do it. When in doubt, restart. If that dont work reformat! I'm as curious as the next nerd, but there is something truly pathetic about a nerd letting a machine tell it what to do because its naked. lol Having a WTF is going on conversation with the host is one thing, but when it starts bossing you around and threatens to shank someone its time to pull the plug.
I can actually see why the asian morgue guy was sucked up in his fascination of her being awake, but what I don't get is this company that clearly has a ton of money and security, HOW ON EARTH did he walk around with her through the levels without getting caught?
 

Newbian

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It actually seems like this TV show is an actual sequel to the movie. I'm pretty sure the Yul Byrnner model was in the background in the office of the abandoned floor Bernard was in looking for anomalies. Maybe I should watch Futureworld and Beyond Westworld.

And I dunno, this was first episode that made me think the show may have jumped the shark. Why the hell are these techs letting a host tell them what to do. Just power it off and secure erase its memory, or just report it to QA and let them do it. When in doubt, restart. If that dont work reformat! I'm as curious as the next nerd, but there is something truly pathetic about a nerd letting a machine tell it what to do because its naked. lol Having a WTF is going on conversation with the host is one thing, but when it starts bossing you around and threatens to shank someone its time to pull the plug.
They commented that doing a full wipe would be too expensive so you would have to assume doing a format like that would be beyond their control or easily found out and get them in trouble especially for a important character it seems in the "storylines" they have running.
 

Root13

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I'm going to watch it soon. Hope it will be good. I like HBO shows and was really upset after True Detective situation
 

Kazukian

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I can actually see why the asian morgue guy was sucked up in his fascination of her being awake, but what I don't get is this company that clearly has a ton of money and security, HOW ON EARTH did he walk around with her through the levels without getting caught?

I thought that was unrealistic as well, especially with Maeve on the intro loop, everyone would have recognized her.
 

Aikouka

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It actually seems like this TV show is an actual sequel to the movie. I'm pretty sure the Yul Byrnner model was in the background in the office of the abandoned floor Bernard was in looking for anomalies. Maybe I should watch Futureworld and Beyond Westworld.

I was wondering about that when the Main in Black discussed with Ford about having thwarted Arnold's plan to take down the park. To be clear, I haven't seen the original movie, so I can't be truly certain. However, I assume that the robot uprising in the original was quelled somehow, and if there was human involvement, the current Man in Black would be part of that. I don't know if the movie revealed why it happened, but if not, they could easily retcon that Arnold did it. (Obviously, whether Arnold existed in the movie, I don't know.)
 

Childs

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They commented that doing a full wipe would be too expensive so you would have to assume doing a format like that would be beyond their control or easily found out and get them in trouble especially for a important character it seems in the "storylines" they have running.

Its possibly too expensive to do it every time a host needs to be serviced, but this is completely different. How can they get in trouble for reporting this? Hey, this host woke up and starting talking when it should be shutdown. Somethings wrong with it. Needs to be fixed. You dont need to say any more than that. He can leave out of the part where he is learning to program on the bird and/or screwing the hosts. And if they absolutely had to preserve the memories, I'm sure there is some fancy version control system to roll her back to a previous state.

And as others pointed out, her walking around the upper levels was just dumb, especially when she is looking at everything with wonder and horror. Plus she was clothed. Someone would have said WTF is up with that host, and who the f are you? Man, at work I cant even go to certain bathrooms on my floor that are closest to my office because I dont have access to certain areas. Unless its like a CIA security thing where if you get in the building its assumed you belong there. But whatever, that whole set of scenes just didnt work IMO.

I was wondering about that when the Main in Black discussed with Ford about having thwarted Arnold's plan to take down the park. To be clear, I haven't seen the original movie, so I can't be truly certain. However, I assume that the robot uprising in the original was quelled somehow, and if there was human involvement, the current Man in Black would be part of that. I don't know if the movie revealed why it happened, but if not, they could easily retcon that Arnold did it. (Obviously, whether Arnold existed in the movie, I don't know.)

Its probably been at least 10 years since I've last seen the movie, but I dont really remember any details about the company. It mainly focused on the guests and the different themed parks. Then all of a sudden the robots just started killing everyone and the movie was over! I think the only part of operations you saw is them realizing something was wrong, and that was before they all died. It would be easy to retcon Arnold in. In a way the timeline kinda works, because the tv show always says 30 years ago this and that, and that close to how long ago the original movie was released. You dont know what the exact timeline was in the original movie...it was like a near present day future. Anyways, it could be why the QA dept in the series has so much influence...cant let that incident happen again.
 

LogicBoard

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Was thinking that the maze is a way for a real life person to have his/her consciousness to be downloaded into a robot so they could theoretically live forever in Westworld...
 

Kazukian

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The maze seems to be more of a metaphysical one, a path to freedom, intended for the hosts, remember when Lawrence's daughter told the MIB "It's not for you."

Interesting episode, kept my attention.
 

Ferzerp

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I think you guys are trying too much to over complicate matters. When the hosts are talking to the employees, it is just during maintenance down times when they've stepped away from the customers (e.g. everyone goes to sleep, and host gets up and walks to the offices for maintenance/chat time). They seem to play a little fast and loose with the showing repeated loops and the variations in the middle of what we know are single loops for other hosts currently associating with guests, but they could just as easily say "all hosts not currently in a separate narrative with a guest or group of guests repeat their groundhog day opening loop for [reasons]"
 

Kazukian

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I think you guys are trying too much to over complicate matters. When the hosts are talking to the employees, it is just during maintenance down times when they've stepped away from the customers (e.g. everyone goes to sleep, and host gets up and walks to the offices for maintenance/chat time). They seem to play a little fast and loose with the showing repeated loops and the variations in the middle of what we know are single loops for other hosts currently associating with guests, but they could just as easily say "all hosts not currently in a separate narrative with a guest or group of guests repeat their groundhog day opening loop for [reasons]"

I like that explanation, makes sense.
 

Newbian

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Its possibly too expensive to do it every time a host needs to be serviced, but this is completely different. How can they get in trouble for reporting this? Hey, this host woke up and starting talking when it should be shutdown. Somethings wrong with it. Needs to be fixed. You dont need to say any more than that. He can leave out of the part where he is learning to program on the bird and/or screwing the hosts. And if they absolutely had to preserve the memories, I'm sure there is some fancy version control system to roll her back to a previous state.

The only problem is they don't want anyone checking her logs as this would show what they have did.
 

MaxDepth

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Haven't watched the latest episode but I can tell you about the movies Westworld and Futureworld.



******************* SPOILERS *******************************************************
The first movie just ends with the man in black being destroyed with most of the robots running out of juice and the guests dead. The second movie has a double "shock." First, you realize that people in high positions of authority around the world are being replaced with robots and then the second, last reveal is that the head of computer programming is an android.
 

Kazukian

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My current working theories

Arnold uploaded his consciousness into the robotic greyhound

There are 3 timelines
 

Charmonium

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So what happened to the tech who discovered the transmitter. We know it couldn't have been Bernard or Ford, right. In theory it could have been Theresa(?), the person who set up the transmitter. She would have the motive but I don't really give her enough credit to be keeping an eye on it for anyone to find. So that really leaves Arnold who is probably the closest thing to omniscient. But why would he care about anyone finding Theresa's transmitter. If anything he'd be in favor of that.

But yeah, the reveal was pretty cool. That was a popular topic of speculation. The question I have there though is
why did Ford bother showing Bernard the secret cottage? It seemed sort of redundant. I get why it was done to advance the story so I guess we can let that slide.
 
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