WestWorld: Season 2 (4/22/2018)

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K1052

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And where did I miss the part that park guns now kill guests? How does that work?

Ford's new narrative appears to have disabled all the park safeguards. Hosts can kill guests, all weapons are effectively real, barriers between parks ineffective, etc.
 

JEDI

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Just saw tonites new episode.

1) Still don't understand the Indians.

What are they?
Where did they come from?
Who programmed them?
whats their purpose?
What do they want???

2) Who knows that Bernard is a Host?
 

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I get the feeling that the Indians are some sort of failsafe program that runs outside of the park normal routines. They seem to be guides that are designed to herd and steer (and kill) guests and hosts that have gone off the path. My guess is daughter has some part in their introduction, but not sure yet. I know no other reason that she can speak their language.
 

Bubbleawsome

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Just saw tonites new episode.

1) Still don't understand the Indians.

What are they?
Where did they come from?
Who programmed them?
whats their purpose?
What do they want???

2) Who knows that Bernard is a Host?
1. People have guessed that they’re an old group of hosts, made by either younger Ford or Arnold. They’ve been in the park since the very first days. We don’t know what they want though.
2. The only people who know for sure are Elsie, Maeve and the techs, and Dolores. We might find out other people have known though.


I feel like Sunday’s episode was one of the best yet. The entire MIB scene is the rain was fantastic.
“You think you know death, but you don’t. You didn’t recognize him sittin’ across from you this whole time.” and “It’s ok amigo, I’m here now, watching over you.” were fantastic lines and added a bit of classic western to the show. I loved it.
 

Artorias

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Spoiler's for Episode 5

Poor Teddy got mind raped by his lover. He is going to go on a murder spree but I have a feeling its going to backfire for Delores.
 

Bubbleawsome

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Spoiler's for Episode 5

Poor Teddy got mind raped by his lover. He is going to go on a murder spree but I have a feeling its going to backfire for Delores.
Yeah that was really jacked up.
I saw his stats after somewhere online, but I can't find them. Made me feel real bad for him, even before the wipe his loyalty was at 19/20. Now he's just a murder-bot for Wyatt. One of three options. 1. Dolores is still on her story line from Ford. I doubt this one. 2. She is as bad as the people she hates, not giving hosts true freedom. She also kills the Ghost Nation hosts, and non-awoken hosts so I feel like this has a point. 3. She really feels like Teddy will die if he stays as soft-hearted as he is.
 

Thebobo

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I have not watched an episode yet I like to binge on a rainy day helps me remember shit.
 

ultimatebob

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Shogun World was a bit disappointing to me. If just felt like Westworld with Japanese clothing.

And, yeah, I know that's what they were going for. Still felt like a cop out.
 

JEDI

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Many questions:

1) how does Mauve control other Hosts by voice?
2) if you set other Hosts to the same stats as Mauve, can they do the same thing?

3) so Ford successfully created a stable Host called Bernard, yet the Man in Black couldn't do the same with Devos even after decades of trying?

3a) Who else might be a Host that thinks s/he's human?

4) why didn't Mauve just control the Shogun??
 

ultimatebob

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Many questions:

1) how does Mauve control other Hosts by voice?
2) if you set other Hosts to the same stats as Mauve, can they do the same thing?

3) so Ford successfully created a stable Host called Bernard, yet the Man in Black couldn't do the same with Devos even after decades of trying?

3a) Who else might be a Host that thinks s/he's human?

4) why didn't Mauve just control the Shogun??

I'm not sure that Arnold's (sorry) consciousness really got uploaded to Bernard. I think that they just look similar. Arnold liked the hosts, Bernard kinda treats them like cattle at times.
 
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Drako

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I'm not sure that Alfred's consciousness really got uploaded to Bernard. I think that they just look similar.

Do you mean Arnold? There are already too many characters in this show for me to keep track of, stop trying to confuse me even more.
 

Skel

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Many questions:

1) how does Mauve control other Hosts by voice?
2) if you set other Hosts to the same stats as Mauve, can they do the same thing?

3) so Ford successfully created a stable Host called Bernard, yet the Man in Black couldn't do the same with Devos even after decades of trying?

3a) Who else might be a Host that thinks s/he's human?

4) why didn't Mauve just control the Shogun??

1.
They haven't said why yet. My personal theory is that someone was attempting to get the source code of the hosts out. In the first season Bernard said that she was still running someone's program. While she's altered it a bit with trying to get to her 'daughter' we don't know if she's really sentient or not. I think she's slowing getting more and more access to that code, and that's allowing her a back door into the other hosts. Bernard did say the hosts talk to each other wirelessly to get updates on what's happening with the guests. My guess is that's how she's accessing their code and contorlling them.

2. I don't think so, as they're not running what she's running.. see 1.

3. In the first season Ford made comment that he just missed his old friend so he indulged himself and made a host like him. I don't recall anytime they've even hinted that Arnold's memories were ever uploaded anywhere, let alone used in Bernard. I think Bernard is just a host running his expanded routines like he was in season 1.

4.
The Shogun was damaged. The writer said he wasn't off his script, he was just breaking down. Mauve probably wouldn't have been able to get his CPU to run anything correctly.
 

Bubbleawsome

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Many questions:

1) how does Mauve control other Hosts by voice?
2) if you set other Hosts to the same stats as Mauve, can they do the same thing?

3) so Ford successfully created a stable Host called Bernard, yet the Man in Black couldn't do the same with Delos even after decades of trying?

3a) Who else might be a Host that thinks s/he's human?

4) why didn't Mauve just control the Shogun??
1. We aren't totally sure. Chances are though when she was modified back in season one to max bulk apperception she also had herself made a voice command 'admin' like the humans are.
2. Maybe in season one, if they were conscious too, but I feel like with the host breakdown in season two it wouldn't work anymore. Guess we'll wait and see
3. Nah, Bernard isn't Arnold, and doesn't have Arnold's mind. He's highly empathetic and likes the hosts, but he isn't convinced of their sentience at first like Arnold was.
Some people are guessing the red orb Bernard took is a finalized version of Arnold's brain. We'll get a flashback to when Barnard was with Charlotte and found all those Bernard body doubles, and then Bernard will remember it too. He'll take the orb to those bodies, and put Arnold in one of them. Then, Arnold is the one who wakes up on the beach two weeks later in Ep1, without the gunshot scar and wondering where he is. The "I did this" line isn't a reference to those specific hosts' deaths, but to the park itself.
3a. Well we know Felix isn't.
People are guessing the Man in Black is a host. That he died and Ford brought him back. After all, he is the one who spent the most time in the park so they'd have the most info on him. A slow reveal of what he is through suffering and the fact that 'if you're looking forwards you're looking in the wrong direction" might be the safest way to bring a humanhost to knowing what they are.
4. Yeah, he was just real broken.
 

Skel

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1. We aren't totally sure. Chances are though when she was modified back in season one to max bulk apperception she also had herself made a voice command 'admin' like the humans are.
2. Maybe in season one, if they were conscious too, but I feel like with the host breakdown in season two it wouldn't work anymore. Guess we'll wait and see
3. Nah, Bernard isn't Arnold, and doesn't have Arnold's mind. He's highly empathetic and likes the hosts, but he isn't convinced of their sentience at first like Arnold was.
Some people are guessing the red orb Bernard took is a finalized version of Arnold's brain. We'll get a flashback to when Barnard was with Charlotte and found all those Bernard body doubles, and then Bernard will remember it too. He'll take the orb to those bodies, and put Arnold in one of them. Then, Arnold is the one who wakes up on the beach two weeks later in Ep1, without the gunshot scar and wondering where he is. The "I did this" line isn't a reference to those specific hosts' deaths, but to the park itself.
3a. Well we know Felix isn't.
People are guessing the Man in Black is a host. That he died and Ford brought him back. After all, he is the one who spent the most time in the park so they'd have the most info on him. A slow reveal of what he is through suffering and the fact that 'if you're looking forwards you're looking in the wrong direction" might be the safest way to bring a humanhost to knowing what they are.
4. Yeah, he was just real broken.

It's possible that Arnold is out there, but it doesn't seem like it. He does have a scar on his forehead when he wakes on the beach like he does in the 'flashbacks'. They've also been using his memories to bounce time, so if it's two different hosts, then I'd say that's a copy out. It wouldn't be consistant with what they've shown. In the first season all the clues aligned up. His being someone else that is in the future isn't lining up with what's shown so far. A episode ago Elsie Huges (the tech Bernard trapped in the cave) said that she saw a ton of damage and said "If I didn't know any better I'd say you shot yourself." He also still has the same scar on his forehead. I wouldn't be surprised if he's running one of the 'super-red cpu" as Ford needed a host that could do the function of a human in programming them. I just don't think Arnold has much to do with it past Ford programming him to look and act like his dead friend.
 
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AznAnarchy99

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I think Ford plans to but Arnold into Bernard and Ed Harris couldn't master it with Delos but Ford is the genius mastermind behind all of this.
 

Bubbleawsome

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This episode felt a little busy to me. Not in a bad way, but like they took two episodes with three full storylines and turned it into one episode with half of 6. Like next week should pay attention to these exact same stories.

Loved loved loved the cinematography though, especially the shots in
the CR4-DL. It felt so fake and so real at the same time. I think the super-shallow depth of field and whatever awesome lighting filter they put on there sold the idea.

Also, poor Bernard
 
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K1052

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I increasingly think that the whole thing is going to come down to a conflict between Delores and Maeve. Their philosophies are clearly evolving into diametric opposites. Maeve can never be really free if Delores is hell bent on taking everything and bending everyone to her will.

Bernard/Arnold might well be the person who tips the balance though, maybe thats what Ford intends.
 
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I increasingly think that the whole thing is going to come down to a conflict between Delores and Maeve. Their philosophies are clearly evolving into diametric opposites. Maeve can never be really free if Delores is hell bent on taking everything and bending everyone to her will.

Bernard/Arnold might well be the person who tips the balance though, maybe thats what Ford intends.

. Yes, Wyatt/Delores seems to be in complete "burn it all down" mode and doesn't appear to have any real power other than she broke out of routine and uses thugs and brute force to get her way. Maeve on the other hand is a much more complicated issue in that she isn't scared to mind blast people in her way to slit their own throats while still allowing other hosts to chose their own paths. She seems to be getting more more human in each episode while Delores is turning into a raging toddler of destruction. I see it coming down to Maeve/Delores showdown cliffhanger over the fate of humans.

I'm still uncertain where the William/Williams Daughter/Indians story goes. There's a lot to unpack in this season. I almost need to go back and watch the first season again and see if I pick up more. [/spoilers]
 

JEDI

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so bernards brain is different than regular hosts.
wonder who else has these
red
brains
 

K1052

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so bernards brain is different than regular hosts.
wonder who else has these
red
brains

IIRC his core marble looked to be more silvery/black (the red lighting in the CR4-DL kind of throws it off). Not a white marble for host or a red marble for a human pattern. Maybe some kind of one off hybrid Ford invented to solve the stability problem and so creating someone who isn't quite Arnold and not quite Bernard in the process.
 

K1052

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. Yes, Wyatt/Delores seems to be in complete "burn it all down" mode and doesn't appear to have any real power other than she broke out of routine and uses thugs and brute force to get her way. Maeve on the other hand is a much more complicated issue in that she isn't scared to mind blast people in her way to slit their own throats while still allowing other hosts to chose their own paths. She seems to be getting more more human in each episode while Delores is turning into a raging toddler of destruction. I see it coming down to Maeve/Delores showdown cliffhanger over the fate of humans.

I'm still uncertain where the William/Williams Daughter/Indians story goes. There's a lot to unpack in this season. I almost need to go back and watch the first season again and see if I pick up more. [/spoilers]


Yeah, I think Maeve will eventually see Delores as no different than the humans who ran the park. Wanting to impose her will regardless of the cost and destroy anything that doesn't fit her vision of their future.

We still don't know what Will buried in the park, yet. I don't entirely buy that his daughter is there for only the reasons she's stating. The differing recollection about the elephants in Raj world is most curious. Maybe it was a test but who failed it seems an open question.
 

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Yeah, I think Maeve will eventually see Delores as no different than the humans who ran the park. Wanting to impose her will regardless of the cost and destroy anything that doesn't fit her vision of their future.

We still don't know what Will buried in the park, yet. I don't entirely buy that his daughter is there for only the reasons she's stating. The differing recollection about the elephants in Raj world is most curious. Maybe it was a test but who failed it seems an open question.

I'm not convinced that the elephant conversation was as much a test as it was an intended reflection point that William had gotten too far involved in the "fake world" and the "real world" memories were starting to be erased. But between alternative timelines and the intentional vagueness that the writers are leaving it's really hard to put a finger on where they are going with these two.
 

JEDI

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is Man in Black a host?
he healed his gunshot wound with a dermal regenerator that instantly repairs hosts
 

K1052

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I'm not convinced that the elephant conversation was as much a test as it was an intended reflection point that William had gotten too far involved in the "fake world" and the "real world" memories were starting to be erased. But between alternative timelines and the intentional vagueness that the writers are leaving it's really hard to put a finger on where they are going with these two.

Yea we'll have to see. Its a relatively minor plot point almost given whats floating around out there unanswered.
 
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