What a joke, ATI and Nvida expect us to buy separate PSUs for G80 and R600

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i like how the videocard sucks down far more power than the rest of the system these days.

are external power bricks just not good enough? frankly i think i'd rather have that than another heat producer INSIDE my computer.

I would soooooo prefer an external power brick.

 

[hans007]

yeah i honestly dont even understand this.


the same people who constantly say that intel sucks beccause its cpus use maybe 125 watts compared to an 89 watt amd cpu, will go out and buy a 160 watt x1900xtx over say a much lower power 7900gtx or 7900gt.


and that said, 300 watts for a video card is just insane. thats the hummer H1 of video cards in gross waste.

its probably some nvidia ploy of dual video cards. i mean a 7900gtx clocked 625/1500 dual video sli video card single slot would probably use about 250 watts if they could effectively cool it.

 

[gsellis]

Meh,

Give ATI and nVidia 5 years and you will be attaching the CPU and motherboard to the video card...

 

[nib95]

I'm sure my 750watter will be fine.

 

[Sonikku]

Oh yeah? Just try to SLI two of those suckers.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
So does this mean that Nvidia will unleash their triple slot stock cooler rated at 80dbs?

:laugh:

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
So does this mean that Nvidia will unleash their triple slot stock cooler rated at 80dbs?

:laugh:

dont change what i said..

Im basing my opinion on current coolers. The GTX cooler is the best stock cooler ive seen for awhile. Ati stock cooler is the complete opposite.

But then it would be nice if the two sides focus abit more on the coolers abit more.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: redbox
For one I thought that the DX10 cards where supposted to be more efiecint than the last cards? I also hope that the consumer knows there is a difference between a $50 700watt power supply and a $200 700watt power supply.

oh now id like to see that in action lol

 

[otispunkmeyer]

this is exactly the reason i wanna jus dump PC gaming,

its getting too expensive and too ansurd for me to keep up. now i know i dont have to buy the top end gear, but tbh ive played all my games with max settings and lots of AA and AF for ages now, and i simply dont wanna go back to mid-range. im glad im gettin bored with gaming.

summers nealy here for me, so im gonna try find this puppy a new home, then jus pick up an XboX360, a nice WS monitor and a decent laptop.

 

[ForumMaster]

well, i imagine that the 1kw to 1.2kw PSU that we will have eventually will be even more expensive then two PSU's.

 

[emilyek]

Noone will agree with me, but: I don't completely understand why GPU makers and game devs are trying to kill PC gaming.

The hardware requirements and pricing are getting really ridiculous.

It really seems to me like they are trying to make it untenable to play PC games, since you'll need a pair of $500 cards, a physics chip, and a separate PSU just to get a high-end gaming experience. Four years ago I bought a 9700pro and it could do anything for $350.

Honestly, I think they are trying to phase us out so they can just make console chips.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: emilyek
Noone will agree with me, but: I don't completely understand why GPU makers and game devs are trying to kill PC gaming.

The hardware requirements and pricing are getting really ridiculous.

It really seems to me like they are trying to make it untenable to play PC games, since you'll need a pair of $500 cards, a physics chip, and a separate PSU just to get a high-end gaming experience. Four years ago I bought a 9700pro and it could do anything for $350.

Honestly, I think they are trying to phase us out so they can just make console chips.

i agree

i dont see why either, they produce new GPU's with vast amounts of power and all that happens is the game devs use it even more inefficiently than before.....

this radeon xxxx68millionGTXwithacherryflavour has the power to move mountains! lets code a game using matlab!

not only that, the demand for new games to arrive quicker is increasing to, example one dev releases details of a future game, then people start getting all itchy about its release and when it doesnt arrive on time everyone gets pissed. so devs jus whack things together ASAP and the result is a game with nice but inefficient graphics and game play akin to solitare.

Valve did the right thing taking so long to produce HL2 because look how well it runs on even low end rigs, but people were getting well pissed about constant delays. so we shoot our selves in the foot as well as having the manufacturers shoot the other one.

this is how absurd its getting

to get the best experience.........

dual core cpu
2 graphics cards of high end nature
possibly a 3rd for physics or a seperate Add-In PPU
2gigs of RAM
a decent sound card, though an X-Fi will be prefered

then to power that PSU's pumping over 1kW are needed

if your gonna follow ATI's lead..... 3 X1900's for the best experience? thats going on for £1200 on jus the GPU's, then the seperate PSU to power those etc etc....

or i could by a Xbox 360 for £280 or a PS3 for £425, and play very probably the same games with the same IQ for less

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
well, i imagine that the 1kw to 1.2kw PSU that we will have eventually will be even more expensive then two PSU's.

not to mention the electricity bill increase

 

[Polish3d]

I completely agree. I love high end hardware and enjoy tweaking and testing it etc, but the last 3 posts above me are completely on the mark. Part of the problem are larger screens becoming cheaper too though...everyone could easily game at 1024x768 on old hardware but who wants to do that ..

I totally agree about Valve, or the CryEngine as another example. Superb for their time, still looks awesome, scales well, all of that.

The physics card expectation for 200+ dollars is a complete joke to me, at least in its current form. To have to spend 500 on a GPU and 200 on a PPU and another 100 on a soundcard just to have the parts to play a game is asking too much

 

[Praxis1452]

the thing that keeps me pc gaming.... the mouse. I hate using the fvcking analog sticks. a lot.. and the fact that most games sensitivity options are like 1-10 that's it so it sucks.

 

[akugami]

Actually I've been saying video cards were overpriced for a long while now and it really started with the inability of both ATI and nVidia to deliver the 6800 and X800 series to market in any sort of quantity for about 6 months after their supposed release. Retailers saw supply was low, demand was high so they raised their prices. ATI and nVidia saw demand at the high end was still there when retailers increased the price from $350-400 on the high end to $400-550. Not to mention the idiots who paid close to $1000 for a 7800GTX 512MB which in the words of a famous unmentionable someone, is a good investment. I actually paid less for my X1900XT than for my X800 Pro.

I am not ever going above the $400 mark again for a new video card. When physics accelerators improve gameplay on some dramatic level and not just eye candy in the form of particle effects, then I'll buy. Heck, physics accelerators at this time don't even help raise game performance in the form of higher resolutions or frames per second at this time. It actually hurts performance in many cases. While I'm loving the performance of my X1900XT, my next video card will more likely than not be a second generation DX10 part when they start reducing power draw and heat output. Not to mention the fact I'm not going to beta test Vista for MS and will only upgrade to it once Vista SP1 is out and most of the more glaring kinks are gone.

Soundcards are on their way out. Creative dropped the ball. Probably due to lack of competition. Creative's products have quite frankly failed to impress me for the last roughly 5 years. ATI, Intel and nVidia are all putting higher quality 5.1 audio in their systems. While they may not performa as well or have as many bells and whistles as Creative's sound cards they are good enough that the general public using computers won't care. This puts a bind on Creative's ability to sell sound cards and along with Creative's inability to sell MP3 players (it's two main products) means the outlook is bad for them. Creative has had absolutely crappy sound card drivers. Granted they've improved since the days of multiple desktop crap and popup like junk but it's still not great. Not that other makers of discrete sound card have any outstanding products or good drivers at this time.

 

[MrX8503]

I really feel like the graphics industry is just taking advantage of the enthusiasts now. I want decent priced video cards that doesnt take a power grid to run. They need to make the cards more efficent and same goes for game developers. They need to make their games run more efficiently.

 

[evolucion8]

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Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
I will not buy any graphic card that is incapable of passive cooling, nor will I buy any graphic card that will require another psu on top of my Seasonic S12 500w.

Thanks to idiots with $1200 graphic cards in SLI/Crossfire, they are dumping this crap on us consumers. If the next generation can't be more efficient, then it shouldn't be the next generation.

Sorry I had to rant.
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Not really, the enthusiast market is just a small market segment compared to the mainstream and low end. Most of the income for ATi and nVidia comes selling videocards like the X1600 PRO and 7600GS than their High End counterparts, pretty much like performance cars, you can see more Lancer Rallyarts's than Lancer Evolutions around. After all not everybody have 500 USD to burn around in one simple videocard.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: MrX8503
I really feel like the graphics industry is just taking advantage of the enthusiasts now. I want decent priced video cards that doesnt take a power grid to run. They need to make the cards more efficent and same goes for game developers. They need to make their games run more efficiently.

I agree. FEAR is a great game, but the engine is far from efficient. HL2 is, I think, the best example of an engine that sets the standard for effecient gaming. I also think that the companies are milking as much as they can from the enthusiast pool since it isn't as big as the average joe pool. Gotta rip off somebody. It is ridiculous. I'm actually considering getting behind the times on purpose so I don't get ripped off. Really, waiting for DX10 to be almost over or at least several years in to it would mean I could buy a G80 or R600 for $150ish. I don't think they'll be that cheap to begin with, not to mention if you buy at the end of an era, you can actually look back and see what is the best to get rather than play Ms. Cleo.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

to the above post.
if YOU insist in bieng an SOB who need 1920x1200 to play games then its your fault. most ppl games yes even oblivion at lower res and are perfectly happy even if we don't get all the bells and whistles(eg HDR or have to turn of shadows...i am talking about 1028x768. i ca nuse shadows at even lower res.). last time i checked my card equaled a 6600gt that is beaten by the 7300gt. which is supposed to cost <$100. so STFU ok.

I really feel like the graphics industry is just taking advantage of the enthusiasts now. I want decent priced video cards that doesnt take a power grid to run. They need to make the cards more efficent and same goes for game developers. They need to make their games run more efficiently.

no there not. try buying a budget computer now. you'll be able to for <300
specs
ati mobo with igp (i've heard the newer one use a x700 level but the older ones use x300) 80
nice cheap sempron 80
512 mb ram. 50

that 210.
get a 7600gs for under 100 (if you really wanna play games well other wise the igp is ok too)

cost. 310 or 210.
tax
240
340

ha. don't go arounf FUD that gfx maker overcharge.

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: MrX8503
I really feel like the graphics industry is just taking advantage of the enthusiasts now. I want decent priced video cards that doesnt take a power grid to run. They need to make the cards more efficent and same goes for game developers. They need to make their games run more efficiently.

I agree. FEAR is a great game, but the engine is far from efficient. HL2 is, I think, the best example of an engine that sets the standard for effecient gaming. I also think that the companies are milking as much as they can from the enthusiast pool since it isn't as big as the average joe pool. Gotta rip off somebody. It is ridiculous. I'm actually considering getting behind the times on purpose so I don't get ripped off. Really, waiting for DX10 to be almost over or at least several years in to it would mean I could buy a G80 or R600 for $150ish. I don't think they'll be that cheap to begin with, not to mention if you buy at the end of an era, you can actually look back and see what is the best to get rather than play Ms. Cleo.

I agree completely. By far the most efficient thing to do is to stay a generation behind, or at least half a generation. I always find it more efficient to buy a half-generation-old flagship than a current-gen midrange. For instance, X1800XT is what, 20% more than a 7600 GT. Not that the GT is a bad buy either; it's just ultra-high-end that's a bit of a waste.

 

[kakarotxiv]

a lots of people will get another psu anyway just to have the newest gear.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Word from a beyond3d member is that G80 is going to be around 500 million transistors.

 

[rmed64]

meh, my rig is holding up great for CS:S and BF2, the only games I play daily on my pc.
BF2142 is my next PC purchase, and its gonna be using the same BF2 engine with some enhancements. So basically, I see no reason to dump my oced 6800GS anytime soon. I game at 1024x768, so my card is a perfect fit.

I feel sorry for those who have huge monitors and need to game at much higher res (1600x1200 and up) therefore needing a much more powerful card or even cards (SLI, crossfire). But hey, they are the "hardcore", so if thats what they need, then they gotta pay the price.

Talk of this kind of stuff is kinda gloomy, but hopefully they will come back down to earth.

 

[R3MF]

i think some people are making too much out of game requirements.

i play Oblivion on my rig at 1920x1200, and mine isn't exactly high end.

what do you need:
Athlon X2 4600+ = £200 as of the end of July
570SLI m/board = £100
2GB of DDR2 800 = £120
2x 7900GT = £380
Dell 2407 = £600
2x 320GB SATA = £150
Case + Power = £150
Gubbins = £100
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Total = £1,800
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and you could do it a lot cheaper!