What a joke, ATI and Nvida expect us to buy separate PSUs for G80 and R600

[BespinReactorShaft]

Originally posted by: R3MF
Gubbins = £100

Umm... what sort of gubbins for instance would take up £100?

 

[R3MF]

Speakers = £45 (yes i know you could spend more)
DVD-RW - = £25
M&KB = £30

 

[biostud]

Nobody forces anyone to play the games with 4xFSAA 16xAF 1600x1200+ Max details.

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Originally posted by: biostud
Nobody forces anyone to play the games with 4xFSAA 16xAF 1600x1200+ Max details.

Speak for yourself!! Damn this... voice... in my head!!!

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
to the above post.
if YOU insist in bieng an SOB who need 1920x1200 to play games then its your fault. most ppl games yes even oblivion at lower res and are perfectly happy even if we don't get all the bells and whistles(eg HDR or have to turn of shadows...i am talking about 1028x768. i ca nuse shadows at even lower res.). last time i checked my card equaled a 6600gt that is beaten by the 7300gt. which is supposed to cost <$100. so STFU ok.

I really feel like the graphics industry is just taking advantage of the enthusiasts now. I want decent priced video cards that doesnt take a power grid to run. They need to make the cards more efficent and same goes for game developers. They need to make their games run more efficiently.

no there not. try buying a budget computer now. you'll be able to for <300
specs
ati mobo with igp (i've heard the newer one use a x700 level but the older ones use x300) 80
nice cheap sempron 80
512 mb ram. 50

that 210.
get a 7600gs for under 100 (if you really wanna play games well other wise the igp is ok too)

cost. 310 or 210.
tax
240
340

ha. don't go arounf FUD that gfx maker overcharge.

budget computer |= entusiast level

yes you can get some decent kit for decent money, but if, like me, you are pretty used to hi-res, hi - IQ gaming like alot of us are here, then its is hella expensive.

i mean i like eye candy just as much as the next guy, and i think if i played oblivion at 12x10 with 4xAA, 16xAF with all details up on my 7800GT SLI system id be having some issues with FPS at some point

again enthusiasts are the type of people to have the big 24 inch displays, and well last i checked HL2 runs like butter at that res on a good selection of video cards. where as games like FEAR and Oblivion, while they are obviously better lookin in some regards, they arent leaps and bounds ahead of HL2 and you would struggle to run 1920x1200 with those games on anything but the latest and greatest in SLI/CF

theres simply no reason for it. they arent drastically better looking, or drastically better in game play, yet they need drastically more umph to run....they even cut stuff out of Obv before it was released!!!

like i said before, the GPU makers will keep upping the power, and the devs in the pressure to release games ASAP will utilize that power less effectively each time

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: rmed64
meh, my rig is holding up great for CS:S and BF2, the only games I play daily on my pc.
BF2142 is my next PC purchase, and its gonna be using the same BF2 engine with some enhancements. So basically, I see no reason to dump my oced 6800GS anytime soon. I game at 1024x768, so my card is a perfect fit.

I feel sorry for those who have huge monitors and need to game at much higher res (1600x1200 and up) therefore needing a much more powerful card or even cards (SLI, crossfire). But hey, they are the "hardcore", so if thats what they need, then they gotta pay the price.

Talk of this kind of stuff is kinda gloomy, but hopefully they will come back down to earth.

yeah buying a large LCD pretty much means you gotta commit to upgrading GPU's regular. its fair enough, but i dont think theres much reason for it.... i mean if you have a 30inch dell job, then you will be changing GPU's at alarming frequency if you game at native res.

and thats only compounded by in-efficient game code.

 

[darkdemyze]

Yeah, when I read that I felt that things are really getting out of control..and just when I thought the x1900 was power hungry :disgust:

As depressing as this news is, there is a small light at the end of the tunnel. Our sources tell us that after this next generation of GPUs we won?t see an increase in power consumption, rather a decrease for the following generation. It seems as if in their intense competition with one another, ATI and NVIDIA have let power consumption get out of hand and will begin reeling it back in starting in the second half of next year.

At least all is not lost. But this implies it wont be for another year from now untill DX10 cards look like an optimal solution. I guess 2 systems would be best untill then. Have one strictly for gaming, only to be turned on for that. Another for everything else to save on power. Ha, yeah right..might as well just get a PS3 - forget about it. I hope nV and ATI come up with something

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i like how the videocard sucks down far more power than the rest of the system these days.

are external power bricks just not good enough? frankly i think i'd rather have that than another heat producer INSIDE my computer.

Ditto to this...



And I agree with the whole thing of SLI dumping this crap on us....my opinion of SLI is that it is the worst thing to ever happen the gaming industry - for two main reasons (and Crossfire is just as evil here in my opinion):

It lets programmers be sloppy...just like the current attitude with RAM and HD space "Memory/Storage is cheap, so we don't have to be effcient with it"

Or, it lets studios write games that require SLI just to run them right (Oblivion comes to mind here)...Oblivion does look good...but how much of that is just extraneous? In my opinon, they should program for mainstream SINGLE cards, and then SLI/Crossfire would just be a performance boost....rather than writing games for SLI and making everyone with a single card get lower performance and quality (even if your card is current generation).

Just my opinion there....what next, dual Soundcards? With X-Fis, that'd mean twice the "snap crackle pop"!!! YES!

 

[Ika]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i like how the videocard sucks down far more power than the rest of the system these days.

are external power bricks just not good enough? frankly i think i'd rather have that than another heat producer INSIDE my computer.

Ditto to this...



And I agree with the whole thing of SLI dumping this crap on us....my opinion of SLI is that it is the worst thing to ever happen the gaming industry - for two main reasons (and Crossfire is just as evil here in my opinion):

It lets programmers be sloppy...just like the current attitude with RAM and HD space "Memory/Storage is cheap, so we don't have to be effcient with it"

Or, it lets studios write games that require SLI just to run them right (Oblivion comes to mind here)...Oblivion does look good...but how much of that is just extraneous? In my opinon, they should program for mainstream SINGLE cards, and then SLI/Crossfire would just be a performance boost....rather than writing games for SLI and making everyone with a single card get lower performance and quality (even if your card is current generation).

Just my opinion there....what next, dual Soundcards? With X-Fis, that'd mean twice the "snap crackle pop"!!! YES!

Remember, Oblivion was programmed with XBOX360 in mind, NOT SLI.

Also, if you want programmers to be less sloppy, you should be prepared to pay for it, because development these days is far more difficult than back in the "efficient" days, since gamers' demands have risen and the level of standards has increased.

besides, if you want Oblivion to be less graphics-intensive, you could just turn down the settings....

 

[otispunkmeyer]

im glad im bowing out of PC gaming for now

ill pick it up again in a couple of years when my paycheques enable me to buy the gear i need. this baby is getting a X2 and a X1900XT or XTX then its getting sold to my brother.

ill pick up a swish laptop, a nice WS monitor, an XBOX360 and a new Keyboard and just enjoy general computing and console gaming for a while

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: hans007

the same people who constantly say that intel sucks beccause its cpus use maybe 125 watts compared to an 89 watt amd cpu, will go out and buy a 160 watt x1900xtx over say a much lower power 7900gtx or 7900gt.

I'll explain it. The X1900XT(X) is faster than the 7900GT(X). By comparison, when Intel's chips consumed 125+ watts, AMD was there with a chip that consumed less and performed better. If Nvida's 7900s were about to outperform the X1900s, it'd be a different story. But they're not.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: guoziming
Remember, Oblivion was programmed with XBOX360 in mind, NOT SLI.

Also, if you want programmers to be less sloppy, you should be prepared to pay for it, because development these days is far more difficult than back in the "efficient" days, since gamers' demands have risen and the level of standards has increased.

besides, if you want Oblivion to be less graphics-intensive, you could just turn down the settings....

OK, bad example...but there are MANY other examples out there.

As for sloppy code? Yes, I'd pay $80 for a well written game, well writtin code and plot wise, over a game with a plot written by a two year old, and code written to the point where it works without so many bugs. I'd also wait longer for more quality games - I don't go out any buy every new title. When I buy games its only a few a year, and usually the games I buy last me a while (HL2/CSS, I still play CSS, BF2 since I got it in Sept etc.)

 

[skooma]

So who's bought one of the 300w case heaters?

 

[Jeff7181]

I won't buy a separate power supply for the video card. I'll keep my 7900GTX for a while and then I'll be buying mainstream parts I guess until they find a way to get more performance without requiring a nuclear reactor to power your PC.

 

[mooncancook]

wow. so once you started a DX10 game, you'll notice the lights in your house fluctuate?

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I won't buy a separate power supply for the video card. I'll keep my 7900GTX for a while and then I'll be buying mainstream parts I guess until they find a way to get more performance without requiring a nuclear reactor to power your PC.

Yep, I'm thinking one upgrade to either an 1900xt or a 7950gx2 to hold over until the next-next gen, when they allegedly are bringing the power requirements back down.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i like how the videocard sucks down far more power than the rest of the system these days.

are external power bricks just not good enough? frankly i think i'd rather have that than another heat producer INSIDE my computer.

Ditto to this...



And I agree with the whole thing of SLI dumping this crap on us....my opinion of SLI is that it is the worst thing to ever happen the gaming industry - for two main reasons (and Crossfire is just as evil here in my opinion):

It lets programmers be sloppy...just like the current attitude with RAM and HD space "Memory/Storage is cheap, so we don't have to be effcient with it"

Or, it lets studios write games that require SLI just to run them right (Oblivion comes to mind here)...Oblivion does look good...but how much of that is just extraneous? In my opinon, they should program for mainstream SINGLE cards, and then SLI/Crossfire would just be a performance boost....rather than writing games for SLI and making everyone with a single card get lower performance and quality (even if your card is current generation).

Just my opinion there....what next, dual Soundcards? With X-Fis, that'd mean twice the "snap crackle pop"!!! YES!

I disagree. I agree with more efficient design, for sure. I mean look how sluggish BF2's menu system is, its terrible... the one for HL2 Deathmatch/DOD-S is exponentially faster and easier to negotiate.

But I wish devlopers would program for the whole spectrum, the highest end as well as allowing options to be turned down to fit lower end as well

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: mooncancook
wow. so once you started a DX10 game, you'll notice the lights in your house fluctuate?

LOL

 

[Polish3d]

Blow out a circuit breaker by running 3DMark

 

[tvdang7]

so my 600W isnt going to be good after this year?

 

[emilyek]

So, for a full PC game graphics experience, ATI wants us to buy two high-end GPUs, A specialized PSU, and a midrange GPU for the physics.

Could it be any clearer that they only want to make console chips?

 

[Polish3d]

That argument doesn't make any sense. If ATI wanted to make only console chips they could just go make console chips. No one forces them to make these super high end expensively researched products. You think their plan is to force everyone into consoles by making their products pricey?

 

[Conky]

Sometimes it's good to sit out a generation.

My current cpu is a perfectly decent Intel Northwood(3.06 HT) and I could've gone for incremental improvements and all that heat with a Prescott but I survived with decent framerates in all the games I like to play and my frugal ways will pay off when I get my new Intel Core 2 Duo rig running.

The power consumption of these new videocards doesn't bother me as much as the potential heat output. I can live with high power use, I can live with fan noise, but I can not stand to have a furnace in my computer room... especially in the summer. :laugh:

ATI/Nvidia, you taking notes?

 

[Snooper]

Originally posted by: Powermoloch

Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
I will not buy any graphic card that is incapable of passive cooling, nor will I buy any graphic card that will require another psu on top of my Seasonic S12 500w.

Thanks to idiots with $1200 graphic cards in SLI/Crossfire, they are dumping this crap on us consumers. If the next generation can't be more efficient, then it shouldn't be the next generation.

Sorry I had to rant.

yeah, it's kinda like the same problem as "muscle cars" right before the oil crisis lol.

The number of folks dumping $1200 into a video setup is tiny. The manufactuers know this. They DO design cards for this group for bragging rights and mind share. But they always design there "value" cards for the 98% of people who WON'T spend that kind of money on a video card solution.

And the "muscle cars" were not a "problem" before the oil crisis. With the sudden upspike of gas prices, you just couldn't afford to drive those 8 and 9 mpg beasts! But they didn't cause the crisis in any way, shape, or form.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: hans007
yeah i honestly dont even understand this.


the same people who constantly say that intel sucks beccause its cpus use maybe 125 watts compared to an 89 watt amd cpu, will go out and buy a 160 watt x1900xtx over say a much lower power 7900gtx or 7900gt.

1. The people buying AMD most likely will game so they will pick what video card will play their game better.

2. The only difference between cpu's are how fast they run programs. The differnce between GPU's are how they make the game look.

3. ATI does something with their extra power and heat: they make the game look better than Nvidia.

4. Before you call me a fanboy: I own an AMD and Nvidia gaming setup, play on an AMD ATI setup, and in '07 plan on making an Intel and ATI setup with the conroe and r600.

I like what runs best and with Intel taking AMD's lead that just might be them next. Now if we can just get these cards to come with power bricks.