Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: CasioTech
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: dud
Probably one of the more poorly timed, stupidest thread (even if it's a joke) I've ever seen. Times are tough, people are losing their houses, their jobs and their minds (like the OP). To ask the question assumes that a number of users actually make $100K or more and that they would actually tell you about it.
I have been a member of AT for quite awhile, and I have noticed that threads like this seem to pop up much more often on this forum than on others I frequent. I'm not sure why the members of this board in particular are so obsessed with having dick-measuring contests. This goes for both the members who lie about their job/income/savings and the ones who tell the truth. Both groups seem to have something to prove to everyone else, and/or derive some pleasure from knowing they are better off than others.
I frequent fatwallet and the diehards investment board, two boards devoted to making more money, and yet the members there are much more tactful when it comes to discussing these topics.
define 'much more tactful?'
most AT members don't have the looks thing going for them, so they try to measure their success in gold.
By "much more tactful", I mean the members do not start threads or make posts blatantly asking how much money people make, how much money they have in their investment/retirement accounts, how much their house is worth, etc., despite the fact that the overall theme of the board is sharing investment strategies.
Because asking about money in a finance forum would be like going to a small business meeting and asking who owns a business. ATOT is a much wider demographic, encompassing people of a lot more backgrounds that could provide input into a question.
In my line of work, income is discussed on a regular basis between friends and colleagues. People that achieve success are congratulated, ideas are exchanged and people move on. I only wish ATOT could have the same; some people have achieved a fair degree of success, and it would be nice to share thoughts on that subject. I've spoken with quite a few successful ATOTers before, and everyone is openly willing to share such information.
For my part though, I should have learned my lesson and stopped participating in these types of threads.
I see your point, but you have to realize that one does not need to have a high income or be a business owner to be a successful investor. Being successful at investing (not trading, but long-term investing) has more to do with discipline than anything else. Once one learns some basic principles of investing - asset allocation, expense ratios, stocks vs. bonds, risk, tax implications - the rest more or less boils down to having the resolve to save and stick to a plan for decades. As such, many successful investors do not have very high incomes, and work in everyday occupations. Of course, there are also successful investors on that forum who
are business owners and likely
do have a very high income in addition to being a successful investor. My point though is that a high income is certainly not required to be a successful investor, and the members on that board do not discuss it explicitly like they do here.
I recognize the value in sharing successful experiences, in the hopes that such talk might benefit other members. However, I believe this discussion will be of limited usefulness and will serve only to make people bitter and jealous. The reason is that the paths taken by people with a certain level of income often cannot be broken down into meaningful advice. For example: a member on here may have been very successful at founding a business, but could they give advice to someone such that that person could go out and duplicate the results if they were only willing to put in the time? I think not. Could a CEO provide a roadmap to a new entry-level employee on how to become CEO? I would argue no.
Alternately, let's consider higher income positions that do have well defined paths. Let's say a neurosurgeon posts on a message board that they make $1 million/year. I have no idea if that figure is accurate, but it wouldn't surprise me. Now let's suppose other members are interested to learn how they too can become neurosurgeons. The neurosurgeon could probably write a step-by-step process that would go something like this:
1. Obtain excellent grades in undergrad
2. Apply for and gain acceptance to medical school
3. Obtain excellent grades in medical school
4. Apply for and complete residency/fellowship/specialty training in surgery, neurosurgery, etc.
5. Obtain employment at a hospital or start private practice
6. Profit
In this case, the steps are pretty well defined, but how many people would even be capable of completing all of them, regardless of how "hard" they worked?
My post is long, but I am genuinely interested to hear some replies to the above.