What are some products at home that suck/drive you crazy/could be way better?

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MagnusTheBrewer

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Gas stoves and ovens. Make me crazy. No matter how much you spend on them they're all built for ease of construction rather than ease of cleaning.
 

chusteczka

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Apr 12, 2006
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But here's another general problem I see a lot: Tools and equipment that's going to be exposed to water a lot, and are made out of plain carbon steel.
- A pizza cutter I had: Yes, the blade is nice stainless steel. The rivet used to hold it in place is steel. It rusts. Making something out of stainless but then using regular steel fasteners is kind of, well, stupid.
- Some jars with metal lock-down clasps: Very nice glass jars, good seal on the top...and the metal is all zinc-plated steel. In this application, the zinc plating is good for making the steel look slightly blue. And that's about it. (Unless you intend to use the jars to hold dry goods only, and you never clean them.)
- A liquid soap dispenser. I thought the dispenser was made of chromed plastic. Nope. It's steel. It's rusting.
- Spray bottles for cleaners: This is mainly encountered in generic brands - the spring is made of something that easily corrodes in the cleaning solution, so it only works for the first day it's used.

Protip for manufacturers: Plain carbon steel is mostly iron. Iron and oxygen get along really well. Water helps this process along very effectively. Iron oxide is not iron.
Yes, stainless steel is more expensive. Yes, 400-series stainless costs a bit more. (Or for some applications, maybe check out aluminum.) Even a low-grade 300-series will at least offer some corrosion resistance - and then your marketing people can have a collective orgasm when they're told that they get to put STAINLESS STEEL on the packaging.

But using the wrong material for the job means that you're making a product that's broken before it's even finished.


And if you're going to paint steel to keep it from rusting, anywhere that that coating is damaged, such as by tightening a fastener to it, can become a focal point for corrosion.

In the past, retail stores (such as Menards, Home Depot, etc.) would purchase these items from a domestic, American engineering company that had engineers focused to control the materials used by domestic manufacturers. Engineering costs increased for standard products such as you describe that are easily reverse-engineered.

Chinese manufacturers have reverse engineered such products at a much lower cost, thereby enticing retail stores to switch from their reliable, high cost, domestic engineering manufacturers to the low-cost Chinese manufacturers. The retail store may hire a small team of inexperienced engineers to attempt to control the quality of items purchased directly from the Chinese manufacturers.

Unfortunately, the Chinese manufacturers use their own, low-cost, reverse-engineered materials to replace standard American materials that may or may not be protected as intellectual property here in the U.S. and the Chinese materials are definitely of questionable quality.

The one or two engineers at the retail stores are overwhelmed by the quantities of items their store purchases directly from China. Thus being unable to properly test the materials in the products. This lack of proper QA control highlights the usefulness of the American engineering manufacturers since American firms actively control the material quality, often through a close relationship with a specific Chinese manufacturer.

I have found Chinese manufacturers to be good in machining but not all are good. Chinese engineering is currently of low quality and needs to be closely monitored. I have found it necessary to teach Chinese manufacturers which materials to be used. Nothing can be assumed with them, everything must be explicitly stated.

Chinese manufacturers are like children in a professional world, lacking good quality engineering education, and making low level mistakes that no American engineering manufacturer would ever make. However, the Chinese do what they are told to do, if they are professional enough to handle the basic machining and mold making on their own.
 

Squisher

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
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I hate how the majority of combustion appliances rely on indoor air to combust. Why can't they all have 2 pipes like high efficiency furnaces have? I'm talking stuff like hot water tanks, fireplaces, wood stoves, etc. They should all have an intake so outside air is used for combustion which would stop cold air from being sucked into the house. A heat exchanger could be used so the heat from the exhaust is transferred to the intake so the air from the intake is preheated for better combustion. This is more or less solid state, so even a wood stove could have a setup like this.

In fact this is not just limited to combustion, take a portable air conditioner for example. It has a pipe going outside to exhaust the heat from the condenser coil and compressor. Well if you are sucking air and putting it outside, air has to replace it. Where does this air come from? Outside. So you are cooling a room and dumping hot outside air into it at the same time! It makes no sense! I modded my AC unit to prevent this from happening and doubled it's efficiency, but at $600 it should have been built that way! Two pipes. An intake and an exhaust.

Let me add, that I just stare at my dishwasher during the summer when the A/C is running and wonder why they don't exhaust to the outside? I see all that hot water vapor venting into the house and all it would take is a little 1 1/2" exhaust vent.
 

chusteczka

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Let me add, that I just stare at my dishwasher during the summer when the A/C is running and wonder why they don't exhaust to the outside? I see all that hot water vapor venting into the house and all it would take is a little 1 1/2" exhaust vent.

Is it venting during operation? If not, leave the door closed for 10-20 minutes after the cycle completes to allow the water vapor to condense into water droplets and fall into the basin. Venting hot water vapor into the house may eventually warp any wooden cupboard above the dishwasher.
 

chusteczka

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I hate how the majority of combustion appliances rely on indoor air to combust. Why can't they all have 2 pipes like high efficiency furnaces have? I'm talking stuff like hot water tanks, fireplaces, wood stoves, etc. They should all have an intake so outside air is used for combustion which would stop cold air from being sucked into the house. A heat exchanger could be used so the heat from the exhaust is transferred to the intake so the air from the intake is preheated for better combustion. This is more or less solid state, so even a wood stove could have a setup like this.
Even if properly insulated, the outdoor intake would be a continuous source of heat loss in the winter. More heat would be lost than saved. Especially with the water heater located on the cool floor of the basement.

The cold air brought in to replace the hot air lost has long been understood to provide a small amount of fresh air into a home during the winter when the windows remain closed and the inside air can become stale. With modern windows being so well insulated, they no longer provide drafts, and a window should actually be opened during the winter months to allow the stale inside air to be refreshed.

Two-stage water heaters have been developed but are complicated in design and cost much more than the standard single tank water heaters for very little added efficiency.

These are the problems. Maybe someone can find an economical solution. That is the OP's purpose of this thread, after all. However, the obvious or low-level attempts have already been made.


In fact this is not just limited to combustion, take a portable air conditioner for example. It has a pipe going outside to exhaust the heat from the condenser coil and compressor. Well if you are sucking air and putting it outside, air has to replace it. Where does this air come from? Outside. So you are cooling a room and dumping hot outside air into it at the same time! It makes no sense! I modded my AC unit to prevent this from happening and doubled it's efficiency, but at $600 it should have been built that way! Two pipes. An intake and an exhaust.
Portable air conditioners are inherently inefficient due to the stated issues. Of course, this leaves room for improvement.
 

Squisher

Lifer
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Is it venting during operation? If not, leave the door closed for 10-20 minutes after the cycle completes to allow the water vapor to condense into water droplets and fall into the basin. Venting hot water vapor into the house may eventually warp any wooden cupboard above the dishwasher.

Dishwashers have vents on their fronts, either on the door or the front panel to help dry the dishes by allowing the hot moist air an escape during the drying cycle. Keeping the door closed is not the solution.
 

Wyndru

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My LED lighting in my man cave. I guess the newer / more expensive ones are better, but the ones I bought throw really a irritating blue light hue, and get really hot.
 

Rubycon

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Aug 10, 2005
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Toasters should have timers.

The problem with thermostats is the strip heats up and the second round does not get toasted nearly long enough. It can be hot enough on the third round that it won't even go down with the thing buzzing at you like a 1960s style vibrator alarm clock! :biggrin:

So what happens is people turn up the setting (darker) and forget it the next time they use the toaster so the toast ejected on a cold start (future) round looks more like the ablative heat shield from a space capsule. Completely inedible.

If they had a timer with selections of "darkness" this could be avoided completely. Of course there could be a snap disk or higher rated microtemp lurking behind the mica divider just in case it gets too hot.
 

Mike Gayner

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We need a tool that opens ketchup and hotsauce packets and squeezes them out. It should be easy to clean, and easy to take with you to a fast food joint. There is virtually no ingenuity applied to this extremely common activity.

You really need a device to open and squeeze your ketchup packets for you?
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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Oh I forgot one. This goes for almost all new appliances such as air conditioners, humidifiers, dehumidifiers etc...

Most no longer use physical switches for settings or even on/off. It is always in standby, and the buttons are electronic controls that tell it what to do. The problem with this is when there is a power outage, it all gets reset. For example, I have a dehumidifier in my basement in summer and when the power goes out I need to go turn it back on. Now this varies from appliance to appliance, some have "power recovery" settings where they'll go back to what they were, but others don't. Why not just have physical switches for settings,and avoid all that complexity, which can eventually fail? If a physical switch fails, any monkey can easily fix that.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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Gas stoves and ovens. Make me crazy. No matter how much you spend on them they're all built for ease of construction rather than ease of cleaning.

Do you have a self-clean option?

I never found the surfaces of them to be a real challenge. Windex for routine stuff, soft scrub for difficult messes.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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why is it that we can put a man on the moon, but every can of shaving cream I've ever used "leaks" from the top?
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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I've stopped by this thread a bunch of times since it was made, and I'm drawing a blank. I'm pretty happy with my stuff, and the things I don't like are defective by design, so they can't really be fixed.
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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In the past, retail stores (such as Menards, Home Depot, etc.) would purchase these items from a domestic, American engineering company that had engineers focused to control the materials used by domestic manufacturers. Engineering costs increased for standard products such as you describe that are easily reverse-engineered.

Chinese manufacturers have reverse engineered such products at a much lower cost, thereby enticing retail stores to switch from their reliable, high cost, domestic engineering manufacturers to the low-cost Chinese manufacturers. The retail store may hire a small team of inexperienced engineers to attempt to control the quality of items purchased directly from the Chinese manufacturers.
And I've seen articles about "onshoring" now - some companies are slowly bringing back manufacturing operations, or going back to American manufacturing facilities, simply because it's difficult to control quality when the product is being made in China. But still for many, dirt-cheap labor and government-subsidized materials trumps everything else. The "solution": Just set a shorter warranty period.



Unfortunately, the Chinese manufacturers use their own, low-cost, reverse-engineered materials to replace standard American materials that may or may not be protected as intellectual property here in the U.S. and the Chinese materials are definitely of questionable quality.

The one or two engineers at the retail stores are overwhelmed by the quantities of items their store purchases directly from China. Thus being unable to properly test the materials in the products. This lack of proper QA control highlights the usefulness of the American engineering manufacturers since American firms actively control the material quality, often through a close relationship with a specific Chinese manufacturer.
Or if they are able to test, they could easily get trumped by management.
"Yes, it's crap. But it's soooo cheap! Don't care, it's approved for distribution and sale."



I have found Chinese manufacturers to be good in machining but not all are good. Chinese engineering is currently of low quality and needs to be closely monitored. I have found it necessary to teach Chinese manufacturers which materials to be used. Nothing can be assumed with them, everything must be explicitly stated.
I'd figure that if there's a way to have solid control over every aspect of production, that consistent quality would be possible from Chinese manufacturers.
"You will do THIS, this way, every time. No exceptions, or else we will not pay you for unacceptable parts." And have some way of enforcing it on-site. All of that though adds operating costs, so it's generally going to be left out.



Chinese manufacturers are like children in a professional world, lacking good quality engineering education, and making low level mistakes that no American engineering manufacturer would ever make. However, the Chinese do what they are told to do, if they are professional enough to handle the basic machining and mold making on their own.
Yup. They're where the US was many years ago, at the start of our own industrial revolution.
Environmental concerns? That's expensive. Just dump whatever you want into the local lake. It's not like people need to drink clean water every day, right?
Safe labor practices? Workers are disposable. You lose an arm, sucks to be you. Get out of my factory, you're slowing down production.
Safe products? What, our product poisoned your kids? Have more kids and stop complaining.



I just read an article on yahoo a couple days ago that said that set top cable boxes are now the largest energy drain in your home. They use as much as a 21 cu.ft. fridge.

http://green.yahoo.com/blog/ecogeek/1419/set-top-boxes-are-the-1-household-energy-drain.html

That's got to be stopped.
A common issue - power supplies that are not only efficient when under load, but also efficient when the device is in a standby mode.
I do what I can about it at work, but the mindset is prevalent in many companies: If the customers don't return products as a result of inefficient power supplies, and if they still buy the products after being given efficiency information, then it's supposedly not a problem.
It's only "not a problem" though because there's not a direct impact on the company in question - there's just the drain on society in general because of the aggregate power drain of many inefficient devices. Quite a few power plants' worth of energy is just plain gone, perhaps with the exception of allowing some manufacturers to save money on materials in power supplies.

And consumers aren't terribly good at long term cost analysis. Yes, it might cost a dollar more up front, but if you intend to use some device for more than maybe 6 months, the power consumption will make up for that. Industrial motor manufacturers make light of this in advertising - the cost of powering a motor throughout its entire working life is very likely to be quite a bit higher than its purchase price, so it's good to get something efficient.
Rechargeable batteries are a fine example. At work, we were using alkalines in digital cameras. That reason though was related to NiMH's high self-discharge rate - camera sits unused for a bit, and the batteries are dead when you'd go to use it. But the alkalines are still pitiful compared to NiMH, as they can't maintain sufficient voltage for very long when under heavy load. After a few months, I was able to convince them to at least try low-self-discharge rechargeables (Eneloops), and a good charger that won't just kill the things in a hurry. ($2 for a single AA battery?! Hell no, that's way too expensive. Alkalines are much cheaper!)
The cameras are finally using rechargeable batteries now.
 
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CPA

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Nov 19, 2001
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Fast food. Continued use of this product can lead to obesity, diabetes, etc. It is by far the most expensive "product" in the food category because of the cost of treating people who use it.

Re-engineer it ... please!

Replace McD hamburger with cup of fresh broccoli Johnny Morrell's Turkey strips. There, reversed engineered.
 

HeXen

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Dec 13, 2009
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Home audio receivers. Still waiting for the iPod of receivers that has an intuitive display/remote without 100 cryptic buttons/features I don't need.

they have iphone apps now that work as remote. There is also some LCD touch remotes that you program how you want. But i agree, many remotes are over complicated..button after button....i miss the simple days, get your ass up and change the channel yourself with a giant, loud clicking knob lol
 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
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Every blender I've ever owned comes with that stupid plastic screw-on bottom that always, always ends up cracked, causing leaks.

No matter how heavy-duty the pitcher, how heavy-duty the base, the screw-on bottom (that holds the blades) is always ever-shitting plastic! Gahh!
 

Farang

Lifer
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Lightbulbs. They don't need to be threaded, they could just have a much simpler clip in mechanism (trying to think of an equivalent to describe, but like where the bulb has a pin sticking out and the socket as a groove for the pin the slip in, then you twist to slide the pin over so it can't come out)

You could keep the threads in there for compatibility
 
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