Thanks.Cissus quadrangularis has really poor research. Definitely not worth the money for recovery. There is low quality research that shows it can help with bone healing from a fracture, but nothing really has shown benefits for tendons and ligaments.
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Only ones I could justify are a multi vit (b/c large amounts of protein in the diet sans fruits will leave you lacking in vit A & C) and creatine. I've had mixed bag results with prework outs like NO Explode, J4cked, etc. I started just having some coffee and a glass of water before lifts, and that seemed to do okay.
Wasting your money unless you are a professional athlete/get paid to look good & be in shape.
IMO, if you are eating a proper diet (meats/veggies/fruits/fish/grains) then why do you need to go spend money, just to gain a small % extra of your vitamin needs.
Worst case, you can take a multi vit if you really feel like it, as the generic type are fairly cheap at a local Walmart or something. But I think it's a waste going to buy like 10 dif vitamins and minerals. Just eat right.
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Great advice, for an average 225 BP, 275 Squat (if your lucky), forget the deadlift. If you want to build a good body, with above average power, speed, and mechanics, you can not do with just food, unless you have a chef and a damn good one at that. Not to mention supplements can do more for the body in most cases cleaner, better, and more efficient. You have to eat right and most folks with good bodies, supplement, most heavily.
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Great advice, for an average 225 BP, 275 Squat (if your lucky), forget the deadlift. If you want to build a good body, with above average power, speed, and mechanics, you can not do with just food, unless you have a chef and a damn good one at that. Not to mention supplements can do more for the body in most cases cleaner, better, and more efficient. You have to eat right and most folks with good bodies, supplement, most heavily.
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any of you guys have experience with silk amino acids
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Great advice, for an average 225 BP, 275 Squat (if your lucky), forget the deadlift. If you want to build a good body, with above average power, speed, and mechanics, you can not do with just food, unless you have a chef and a damn good one at that. Not to mention supplements can do more for the body in most cases cleaner, better, and more efficient. You have to eat right and most folks with good bodies, supplement, most heavily.
food, food, and food should be your only concerns... you are asking all the wrong questions about products that won't make one bit of difference for you.
what do you eat
Sorry man but it sounds like you've been sipping the cool-aid that the body fitness mags are feeding you.
Why do I need to be a chef to make plain chicken, steak, veggies, eggs.. etc etc?? Maybe those folks do supplement heavily, but it actually has little effect and their real gains are made by:
-Hard work
-Eating right
-Consistency
-Mental focus and fortitude
Moreover, those folks you see on TV, movies and magazines are not "most folks" either. They make their bodies look that way for a living and/or are sponsored so supplementing heavy does not cost them an arm and a leg.
If you're not referring to celebs and people you see in magazines, then the everyday person is usually not that fit, and likely does not heavily supplement.
I use creatine and whey proteins regularly and that's it. I also don't care about benching 305, or squatting/DL 415. I want to look good, feel good and yeah being strong is a by- product.
And I have seen a lot of guys who don't grow in any way shape or form, trying all kinds of advanced workout routines, and struggle to make any progress. Most people just can't eat enough to support how they train. I talked to this one guy, this is over a year, same mentality, I don't need any supplements. He has not grown one ounce, lol. When we talked about his diet, I told him, with the way you are trying to workout, you are not eating enough to get the proper amount of protein. I told him to supplement, he said no. Guess what dude was frustrated after not gaining anything in 8 months, I haven't seen him in the last 4.
I got up to squatting 5x5x405 with nothing more than whey, a good diet can take you a very long way. I just did a multivitamin up to 565 or 585 squat with no whey. I honestly couldn't say if they stuff I've been taking since then is helping much mostly because it's been a fairly short period of time. I ate decently but I'm by no means a chef.
they aren't eating right or enough. unless you are 350+ and all muscle, it isn't "that" hard to get your food in. when I was training early morning, I was getting in almost 2000 calories by noon some days when I was being lax on what I was consuming. so eating 4000-5000 in a day shouldn't be too much of a struggle.
supplementing a protein shake or two during the day or some ZMA isn't going to make up for a serious short coming in ones diet.
They can definitely help, but if a diet is that lacking you have other bigger problems than what type of whey protein you should buy
Found this... Pretty much says it all
EATING like a Bodybuilder - Rich Piana: http://youtu.be/11V7e4qNie8
If you do nothing else in life sure you can eat till you are blue in the face. Outside of dude cussing, he did drop not one bit of info even a middle school kid doesn't know. Here is the problem, almost everything that is clean is low calorie. Let me repeat that loud and clear. Almost everything under the fucking sun that is clean is low calorie. Especially if you exclude, which may people do, red meat. So when a lot people talk diet and clean eating, truth be told on average they are only consuming about 3000 calories a day. Your diet which is mostly chicken based, you said that, you are maybe hitting 3-3.5K without any protein. 30 ounces of chicken, cooked clean without skin, is only about a 1000 calories or so a day.
Most honest people will tell you, many of the monsters, like CT Fletcher, to get large amount of calories you are going to eat fast food and stuff alike. Phelps swallowed 12000 calories day, mostly MCDs. But so many criticized supplementing, but in the next breath try to pass off that just eating 5000 clean calories or more is just a natural easy feat.
And quoting a cat about diet that has injected himself with every known fucking short cut drug under the sun, hey I expected a little better coming from you.
In wrap up, many need to define what is "clean" eating.
I could get in 4000+ without a problem...
switch from brown rice to white/jasmine and increase quantity.
increase amount of olive oil
add peanut butter to my oatmeal when I eat it
eat more almonds
basically just increase quantities when I do eat
as far as the Rich video... the point you make about not giving anything a middle school kid didn't know is exactly it. there isn't anything to it. no magic, no secrets... nothing these people know that the average joe doesn't have access to. What is magic and what leads to success is the follow through. How much you actually do or don't do is what matters. talk is cheap, which forums like these prove every single day
^ This. Seriously. Maybe supplementing with tons of dif. things actually does work for people, or maybe it's some kind of placebo, but it's total BS for somebody to say "all clean foods are low calorie". Total nonsense. 1 tablespoon of EVOO is something like 150-160 calories. Having some greens with like 4-5 tablespoons of just EVOO is a quick easy snack to add a bunch of clean calories.
Same with the almonds above. 1/4 cup of almonds covered with some dark chocolate is 180 cals. One cup of those and again, a quick high cal snack that is "clean".
If people can't grow on just eating food, then they are either already huge and probably wouldn't be growing much anyway, or are not being true with themselves and skimping out on training.
I've seen the pics of Zivic and Koing. No mention of taking exotic supplements and/or attributing their success to products in a bottle. Hard work is what it takes.
Wasting your money unless you are a professional athlete/get paid to look good & be in shape.
IMO, if you are eating a proper diet (meats/veggies/fruits/fish/grains) then why do you need to go spend money, just to gain a small % extra of your vitamin needs.
Worst case, you can take a multi vit if you really feel like it, as the generic type are fairly cheap at a local Walmart or something. But I think it's a waste going to buy like 10 dif vitamins and minerals. Just eat right.
I agree with basically everything you say. The biggest thing to keep in mind is that the vast majority aren't willing to do what it takes to get to your level, my level... Heck not even halfway. Yet they look to supplements as a short cut of sorts in an attempt to look or perform like us. If you are putting in a legit effort in and out of the gym supplements can and do help. If you come in every Monday and bench, weds to curl and every other Thurs to do half @ssed leg presses on the sled, save your money. You will get far better results watching your diet........I don't wanna get into a pissing contest, but I took exception to this because it isn't true...
This is a person's opinion of how much effort a person should put into bodybuilding or training based on their outlook.
Just because a person doesn't compete or get on a stage doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't train or eat like they want to. So throwing out what you think looks good or good enough really doesn't mean a whole lot. And by the way I don't look to bad in my pics either.
A lot of things I have seen listed in the last couple of posts, depending on who you talk to, wouldn't be classified as clean eating.
Yes you need to eat correctly and as I stated eat enough, but there is nothing wrong with supplementing with certain things to help get that extra small percentage. I have never done steroids or even prohormones like andro, but I am and have been a protein freak all my life. There are a lot of decent supplements out there that are beneficial to all and some beneficial to only a few.
they aren't eating right or enough. unless you are 350+ and all muscle, it isn't "that" hard to get your food in. when I was training early morning, I was getting in almost 2000 calories by noon some days when I was being lax on what I was consuming. so eating 4000-5000 in a day shouldn't be too much of a struggle.
supplementing a protein shake or two during the day or some ZMA isn't going to make up for a serious short coming in ones diet.
They can definitely help, but if a diet is that lacking you have other bigger problems than what type of whey protein you should buy
Found this... Pretty much says it all
EATING like a Bodybuilder - Rich Piana: http://youtu.be/11V7e4qNie8
LOL
Great advice, for an average 225 BP, 275 Squat (if your lucky), forget the deadlift. If you want to build a good body, with above average power, speed, and mechanics, you can not do with just food, unless you have a chef and a damn good one at that. Not to mention supplements can do more for the body in most cases cleaner, better, and more efficient. You have to eat right and most folks with good bodies, supplement, most heavily.