What are the upcoming phones other then galaxy S3?

[kaerflog]

God you're dense.
You come in here asking for opinion and then act like a smart-ass know it all.
How about stop looking at 1 preview and act like you know everything ??
This is from Engadget:

Quadrant
4,454 Samsung Galaxy S III
4,784 HTC One X (LTE)

Vellamo
1,751 Samsung Galaxy S III
2,259 HTC One X (LTE)

AnTuTu
11,960 Samsung Galaxy S III
6,956 HTC One X (LTE)

SunSpider 0.9.1 (ms)
1,460 Samsung Galaxy S III
1,453 HTC One X (LTE)

GLBenchmark Egypt Offscreen (fps)
99 Samsung Galaxy S III
56 HTC One X (LTE)

CF-Bench
13,110 Samsung Galaxy S III
9,479 HTC One X (LTE)


The HTC One X is comparable to the SGIII.

 

[MSCoder610]

There was also the Huawei Ascend D Quad announced a while back, haven't heard much about it lately. (Quad core / 720p)

http://phandroid.com/2012/05/10/a-s...ascend-p1-and-huawei-ascend-d-quad-ctia-2012/

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Also, the OneX has an IPS LCD while the S3 has an OLED Screen which is superior.

as an owner of a phone with the same screen, you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[taltamir]

as an owner of a phone with the same screen, you couldn't be more wrong.

Which one do you own?

From what I've read on multiple sites, the pentile effect is less noticeable than on the GNex. Obviously none of us have been able to see it in person yet though.

Yes they increased the pixel density which lessens the negative effect of pentile.

This is from Engadget:

Quadrant
4,454 Samsung Galaxy S III
4,784 HTC One X (LTE) 7% faster

Vellamo
1,751 Samsung Galaxy S III
2,259 HTC One X (LTE) 29% faster

AnTuTu
11,960 Samsung Galaxy S III 72% Faster
6,956 HTC One X (LTE)

SunSpider 0.9.1 (ms)
1,460 Samsung Galaxy S III 0% faster (rounding)
1,453 HTC One X (LTE)

GLBenchmark Egypt Offscreen (fps)
99 Samsung Galaxy S III 77% faster
56 HTC One X (LTE)

CF-Bench
13,110 Samsung Galaxy S III 38% faster
9,479 HTC One X (LTE)


The HTC One X is comparable to the SGIII.

I saw that one already. It shows the SGS3 annihilating the OneX.

 

[kaerflog]

I'm going to apologize ahead of time because I don't throw this word around too often but god damm, you're a freakin IDIOT.
Are you for real ??
Maybe you need to get your eyes check because I see the One X winning 3 benchmarks and the GS3 winning 3 also.
The GS3 strong point is its GPU. Its always going to win those benchmarks by a wide margin.

All the premium phones coming out are either going to use Tegra3 or the S4 until the next generation soc comes out.
By your logic that the One X is comparable to the GS2 and not the GS3, then you have answered your own question.
There is no upcoming phones that are comparable to the GS3.
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Infraction for mild personal attacks for this post and the post above it.
Moderator PM

 

[lothar]

God you're dense.
You come in here asking for opinion and then act like a smart-ass know it all.
How about stop looking at 1 preview and act like you know everything ??
This is from Engadget:

Quadrant
4,454 Samsung Galaxy S III
4,784 HTC One X (LTE)

Vellamo
1,751 Samsung Galaxy S III
2,259 HTC One X (LTE)

AnTuTu
11,960 Samsung Galaxy S III
6,956 HTC One X (LTE)

SunSpider 0.9.1 (ms)
1,460 Samsung Galaxy S III
1,453 HTC One X (LTE)

GLBenchmark Egypt Offscreen (fps)
99 Samsung Galaxy S III
56 HTC One X (LTE)

CF-Bench
13,110 Samsung Galaxy S III
9,479 HTC One X (LTE)


The HTC One X is comparable to the SGIII.

1.) Quadrant is the most useless benchmark there is on Android.
2.) Vellamo is a highly optimized benchmark designed by Qualcomm to pimp their SoC's. It's the 2nd most useless benchmark there is on Android.

However, I do agree with your opinion that I don't like the way taltamir has been responding in this thread.
I'm not sure why he's acting differently here, but he doesn't behave this way in Memory/Storage subforum and I enjoy reading his excellent posts there.

 

[lothar]

Doesn't matter. Carries don't make phones and I currently don't have a contract so I can go with whichever carrier carries the phone of my choice.

Carriers determine whether you have service or not, and how good that service is.
If you're in the middle of Wyoming, don't expect to get T-Mobile service.

Are you in a major metropolitan area? DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Houston, LA, New York, etc...? If so, you will have no problems with any carrier you decide to go with.

 

[makken]

Yes they increased the pixel density which lessens the negative effect of pentile.

what? how?

it's the same resolution as the gnex while being slightly larger... that should lead to a decrease in pixel density.

Aside from the GS3 and OneX, the phones that I've been keeping an eye on are the Sony Xperia GX and the Asus Padfone. At this point, I would probably wait until Nov to see what Google introduces before buying anything.

 

[lothar]

screen size has been pretty constant for the last few years.. And microSD slot? removable battery? What do those have to do with determining what generation a phone belongs in?

The OneX is getting computational performance at most 10% faster then the S2; making it the fastest of last gen phones.
The S3 gets 50-60% faster making it the first of the current gen and totally annihilate in terms of speed anything from last gen.

Also, the OneX has an IPS LCD while the S3 has an OLED Screen which is superior.


... how so? Or rather, how is it more similar to the S3 yet different to the S2.


Irrelevant to determining a phone's GENERATION. I said the One X is on par with the S2. How does being "pretty" change that?

Why are you so hung up on what generation a phone belongs in rather than its features or performance?

microSD slot? That's a hell of an importance. Most phones come with 16GB which is not enough for anything. Not everyone has an unlimited plan. Not everyone uses cloud services. Most of my apps are saved on my SD card so my phone wont experience any slow down. All my music is saved on my SD card. I don't use Google music and such.

Removable battery? Only important if the phone comes with shitty battery performance. The AT&T One X has excellent battery performance and so does the Galaxy S III. The International One X Tegra version? Meh...

Are you comparing the International One X or the AT&T One X in your comparisons to the Galaxy S II? Please elaborate.

 

[lothar]

And you are backing it up with nonsense like "has an SD card reader".

I am going by performance and hardware content from the anandtech preview http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview

Browser test:
SGS3: 161710
OneX International: 110038
OneX US:102640
SGS2: 101869

GPU test:
SGS3: 103
OneX International: 63
SGS2: 62
OneX US:55.9



Both versions of the OneX get similar performance in the anandtech tests. The international is only slightly better. I compared both of them to the SGS3 version tested in anandtech because I was not aware that the US version is supposed to have such a huge downgrade in processor.

However, if the US version of the SGS3 will use the same processor as the OneX US then this is a travesty. The SGS3 international scores 58% faster on browser (CPU) and 84% faster on render (GPU).


With the exception of the screen, those are FORM FACTOR issues and have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the generation a device belongs to.

Things that determine the generation of the device are the electronics inside it now the form factor... that is the CPU, GPU, RAM, and Display.

What?
The US OneX has a better processor than the Tegra 3 powered International OneX.

 

[lothar]

Wonder if Sony will be using their own in house SoC designs in any upcoming Xperias?

Sony will be using Krait.
In other words, it's the same SoC as AT&T's HTC OneX, except it will come 3-4 months later.
Has Sony updated any of their current phones to ICS yet? They're just as bad as LG and Motorola are in updating Android. If you're thinking of getting their phone, add that to the list of things to be worried about.

 

[lothar]

Eyxnos 4 Quad has a quad core 1.4Ghz Cortex A9 CPU.
Tegra 3 in the international HTC One X has a quad core 1.5Ghz Cortex A9 CPU.

Those stats don't prove that Exynos is better than Tegra, but Samsung is far more efficient at optimizing software than HTC is.

The GLBenchmark results is definitely not from optimization.
Mali-400 is a better GPU than Adreno 225 by far.

 

[taltamir]

Maybe you need to get your eyes check because I see the One X winning 3 benchmarks and the GS3 winning 3 also.

... You miscounted. 3 samsung, 2 HTC, 1 draw with a slight advantage for sumsung.

Also, its not just how many "victories" each has, but the magnitude of difference.

1.) Quadrant is the most useless benchmark there is on Android.
2.) Vellamo is a highly optimized benchmark designed by Qualcomm to pimp their SoC's. It's the 2nd most useless benchmark there is on Android.

Those are the only 2 benchmarks the HTC One X wins...

However, I do agree with your opinion that I don't like the way taltamir has been responding in this thread.
I'm not sure why he's acting differently here, but he doesn't behave this way in Memory/Storage subforum and I enjoy reading his excellent posts there.

Acting different? I am being calm, collected, and logical. I have no stake on either side here having owned neither phone. I am just calling them as I see it. And only one of us is being rude and resorting to personal attacks.

Are you in a major metropolitan area? DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Houston, LA, New York, etc...? If so, you will have no problems with any carrier you decide to go with.

Dallas.

what? how?

it's the same resolution as the gnex while being slightly larger... that should lead to a decrease in pixel density.

Aside from the GS3 and OneX, the phones that I've been keeping an eye on are the Sony Xperia GX and the Asus Padfone. At this point, I would probably wait until Nov to see what Google introduces before buying anything.

Its what I read, it could be lies.

What?
The US OneX has a better processor than the Tegra 3 powered International OneX.

The benchmarks I have seen indicate otherwise. And from what I have read the US version had to give up the CPU they wanted to get a SoC that is compatible with LTE modems

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

And you are backing it up with nonsense like "has an SD card reader".

I am going by performance and hardware content from the anandtech preview http://www.anandtech.com/show/5811/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-preview

Browser test:
SGS3: 161710
OneX International: 110038
OneX US:102640
SGS2: 101869

GPU test:
SGS3: 103
OneX International: 63
SGS2: 62
OneX US:55.9



Both versions of the OneX get similar performance in the anandtech tests. The international is only slightly better. I compared both of them to the SGS3 version tested in anandtech because I was not aware that the US version is supposed to have such a huge downgrade in processor.

However, if the US version of the SGS3 will use the same processor as the OneX US then this is a travesty. The SGS3 international scores 58% faster on browser (CPU) and 84% faster on render (GPU).


With the exception of the screen, those are FORM FACTOR issues and have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the generation a device belongs to.

Things that determine the generation of the device are the electronics inside it now the form factor... that is the CPU, GPU, RAM, and Display.

Browser tests are software related. How else does an 800 Mhz dual-core A9 from Apple beat a (in past OS versions) 1.2 Ghz dual-core A9 from Samsung?

Even the GPU tests are partially software related. Go back and look at the original Galaxy S2 review benchmarks. It was not getting 62 frames in egypt. The ICS update included a GPU driver update that made it faster so you should expect One X to do much better as it gets updates

In terms of raw performance, the Galaxy S2 Mali-400 gets roughly 9 GFLOPS clocked at 267 MHz while the Adreno 225 is clocked at over 400 mhz and getting over 20 GFLOPs. So the difference you see in benchmarks are driver related

 

[taltamir]

Browser tests are software related. How else does an 800 Mhz dual-core A9 from Apple beat a (in past OS versions) 1.2 Ghz dual-core A9 from Samsung?

I'd grant you that software is part of it.
But its possible for an 800 mhz to beat a 1.2 mhz because not all mhz is created equal.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

I'd grant you that software is part of it.
But its possible for an 800 mhz to beat a 1.2 mhz because not all mhz is created equal.

In this case though both SOCs are ARM Cortex A9 designs with the only difference being clock frequency.

 

[taltamir]

In this case though both SOCs are ARM Cortex A9 designs with the only difference being clock frequency.

Are the memory controllers identical? same amount of on die cache? same speed of on die cache? are they using the same speed RAM? are they using the same amount of ram? are they using the same SSD? Are they vanilla A9s or customized?

While I would grant you that its quite plausible to be a software issue if both use a cortex A9 (which doesn't excuse it btw since I can't easily root this and install vanilla Android) it can still be a hardware difference.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

Are the memory controllers identical? same amount of on die cache? same speed of on die cache? are they using the same speed RAM? are they using the same amount of ram? are they using the same SSD? Are they vanilla A9s or customized?

While I would grant you that its quite plausible to be a software issue if both use a cortex A9 (which doesn't excuse it btw since I can't easily root this and install vanilla Android) it can still be a hardware difference.

Samsung supplies Apples RAM and NAND, they both use dual channel memory controllers. The fact that Iphone 4S was winning the browser tests last year and now losing them after ICS update is evidence enough that software optimizations make a massive difference

Hell the Iphone 4 with an 800 MHz Cortex A8 beat several dual-cores in javascript performance with iOS 5.0 last year

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4971/41963.png

 

[stlc8tr]

Acting different? I am being calm, collected, and logical. I have no stake on either side here having owned neither phone. I am just calling them as I see it. And only one of us is being rude and resorting to personal attacks.

Shrug. You seem to be biased against the One X for whatever reason, IMO.

Have you used an One X? I've used both the SGS2 and One X regularly but obviously have not had the chance to play with a SGS3 yet. I think it's nuts to compare the SGS2 to the One X. The SGS2 was nice for it's day but the One X is definitely a step above. Everything is just snappier on the One X and that display is out of the world.

 

[taltamir]

I haven't used any of the phones we are discussing. I am going off the reviews and the hard numbers. And I am not in any way shape or form biased... In fact I am offended you would suggest as such.

I first brought up the anandtech numbers showing: The SGS3 international scores 58% faster on browser (CPU) and 84% faster on render (GPU).
Which clearly shows the OneX being in the class of last gen hardware like SGS2 (see full details in earlier posts).

Then I was countered by people claiming the HTC OneX is on part with it who gave a SPECIFIC link, engagets, which shows:
SGS3 Wins: 72%, 77%, 38%
HTC OneX Wins: 7%, 29%
One tie (win for SGS3 rounded to 0%)
If we average it (take the HTC oneX wins and count them as negative) then: (72 + 77 + 38 + 0 - 7 - 29) / 6 = 25% overall towards SGS3.
When shown this evidence I concede that the advantage is not AS huge. But countered that the SGS is still very firmly ahead. This is not me being biased this is HARD NUMBERS.
I don't know how you could ever call this being biased... Not only are these hard numbers, its hard numbers presented by those claiming that the OneX is on par with the SHS3. Aka, potentially cherry picked for it.

It doesn't make me biased to look at the anandtech numbers and say the SGS3 slaughters the OneX, it doesn't make me biased to look at the counter argument and see that it only mitigates the damage yet still shows the SGS3 being significantly ahead...

And then someone else here brought up that the ONLY tests the HTC OneX wins are supposedly cheats put out specifically for it to win. (which I am not taking as a fact unless I get more evidence because I am unbiased)

Samsung supplies Apples RAM and NAND, they both use dual channel memory controllers. The fact that Iphone 4S was winning the browser tests last year and now losing them after ICS update is evidence enough that software optimizations make a massive difference

Very strong evidence, enough that I would concede the point. And thanks for the info.

However, as I said earlier you can't just download the latest android and install it on your iPhone. Or even on your old android device. You are 100% dependent on the manufacturer.
If you got a Nexus phone you could do so in theory since its open (no need to crack the root, which is very illegal and in other phones they constantly get over the air automatic updates whose sole purpose is to invalidate old methods of doing it), but in reality google has whole teams of experts actively developing the platform (in case you wanted to port new OS to an old phone) and there is no other open source phone OS to install. So you are limited to making customizations to the source code for your own use (or to share online)

Speaking off, kinda makes me angry at barnes and nobles, I bought the nook tablet because they explicitly said that it will allow rooting... and it did for only a few weeks before they pushed a forced auto "update" to prevent it.

 

[ImDonly1]

Don't know where you got the idea that rooting a phone is illegal, but it isn't.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/26/library-of-congress-adds-dmca-exception-for-jailbreaking-or-root/

 

[stormkroe]

I'd like to point out, for the 700th time, that glbenchmark is apparently broken on MALI 400 scores, MALI 400 is not faster than Adreno 225. There are threads about it here already with documentation. Dear Lord, please send us an Unreal Engine benchmark soon.

 

[taltamir]

Don't know where you got the idea that rooting a phone is illegal, but it isn't.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/26/library-of-congress-adds-dmca-exception-for-jailbreaking-or-root/

Where do I get it from? The DMCA explicitly says so.

The link you posted even confirms it...
HOWEVER it goes on to show that the DMCA has a clause in it which basically gives the US Library of congress the power to specifically exclude specific things from the DMCA and in 2010 they gave such an exclusion to rooting phones.

So, that is good at least. I guess I was wrong about it being illegal. It was illegal, now its legal... for now.

I'd like to point out, for the 700th time, that glbenchmark is apparently broken on MALI 400 scores, MALI 400 is not faster than Adreno 225. There are threads about it here already with documentation. Dear Lord, please send us an Unreal Engine benchmark soon.

I'd like to point out that this is at most the second time you bring it up and that it still doesn't make ME biased.

And just like the guy who claimed the only 2 benchmarks the OneX won (Quadrant & Vellamo) are broken and cheaty and designed for it to win, I am not taking your word (or his) at face value over professional reviewers.
Both you and him will have to back up your claims that "benchmark X is bad". And furthermore, stop accusing me of being biased when its supposedly a benchmark that is biased.
And supposedly the professional reviewers are too incompetent to notice.

 

[Skurge]

Samsung supplies Apples RAM and NAND, they both use dual channel memory controllers. The fact that Iphone 4S was winning the browser tests last year and now losing them after ICS update is evidence enough that software optimizations make a massive difference

Hell the Iphone 4 with an 800 MHz Cortex A8 beat several dual-cores in javascript performance with iOS 5.0 last year

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4971/41963.png

The SOC in the S3 pretty much dominates Tegra 3 in the international OneX. The US version of the S3 will have S4 and Samsung has MUCH better optimized software than HTC so it's still going to be faster. The only thing up in the air is the GPU that the US S3 will use.

There are new phones coming from LG and moto, I'm not sure how well the LG phone will do as their software updates usually lag behind the rest.

 

[BladeVenom]

Sony is supposed to be coming out with a Xperia superphone, not sure if we will get it in the US.

I imagine Sony will have extra DRM.