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AmdEmAll

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Been using windows 7 for a few hours now and I absolutely love it. Its so smooth and quick. Everything has worked perfect other than having to install the network drivers and smbus driver. Both installed off of the motherboard cd easily.

I have this on one hard drive and Vista Ultimate 64 on my main drive.

Haven't tried games yet, do they work ok?
 

osage

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the only game I've tried so far is COD4, and it works fine..for me at least.
 

Muadib

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I have software the allows you to watch Directv on your pc that I can't get to run under Windows 7.

I also couldn't get the slingplayer software to work right. When I go to setup, none of the options are there on the drop down menus. Both worked under Vista x64.
 

Imaginer

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So far I like it. The initial clean install was very minimal in intervention with only adjustments for language preference and time. Out of the iso, it recognized every hardware I have, sans my P5B deluxe's Ethernet controller, my built-in Wifi device, and another device that I think maybe my gamepad, and my Canon LIDE scanner.

But with a quick download of the Marvel Ethernet driver for Vista, my computer was ready to be online and in no time.

The first thing it did once online was the Action Center gave a message, non-intrusive and down in the corner, of what I need to get to be "safe" online. It meant the Windows updates, Antivirus, and firewall settings turned on (or a third party recognition). I installed Antivir and Windows also recognized after the install it wasn't up to date, but this was quickly remedied.

I noticed that you can do away with the text labels of the taskbar programs, i turned the text back on but after reading DailyTech of how there is a subtilty behind the running programs and quicklaunch, I soon found that it is indeed much better with the text off once I got accustomed to it. The only problem is that I would have to start remembering icons and not reading. I would also see this as a problem with multiple explorer windows.

An instant customizable feature is the slideshow desktop wallpaper. I had it set to change every minute like a clock. It is very nice if one has many desktop wallpapers but can't decide which ones to use.

Other than the occasional 10 second freeze if I click rampantly everywhere (it does not do this initially and was very snappy in its response), it seems promising so far. There isn't any trouble with stability as far as I know but I won't be doing any major file transfers within this operating system during the time I am using this beta.

This is coming from a XP user who has not yet jumped on the Vista boat.
 

Imaginer

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I also mention that I finally am using a 64 bit OS for the first time. The other immediate issue that popped up was that I am using as a primary display, my 56" HDTV at 1080 and at the set 1920x1080 the display was overscanned, meaning I had to scale it back to 1280x720 to have everything fit.

I also cannot safely disconnect an esata drive even when I have no programs running. I did not have the index options to go through any part of the drive yet I can hear constant activity from the drive.
 

nOOky

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So far so good. Installed on the system spec'd in my signature. I'm doing a full install of all my games and programs. No problems or errors yet. Seems to be the same apparent speed as my Vista 64 install. It does in fact look and feel exactly like Vista, which is no suprise.
I don't know if I'll rush out to get it the day it's available, the jump from Vista to Win 7 doesn't feel anything like the jump from XP to Vista. There are a couple of things I do like about it, minor visual touches etc. I don't really like the start button and task bar operation, wish I could revert back to classic in it. Maybe I can, I haven't explored that deeply into it yet.
I see it as an upgrade over XP, if you're still using XP when 7 comes out then you're simply missing out. But then I'm a rare Vista 64 lover take my opinion with a grain of salt
 

dds14u

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I believe people will be less hesitant about moving to Win 7 then they were about moving to Vista.

Win 7 is faster and less of a resource hog from my experience. It is everything Vista should have been.

As for the UI, it's very much like Vista...but seeing as how this is beta, that could change. Vista looked like XP in beta after all...
 

gpse

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I installed the beta a week ago, so far I'm loving it... what vista should've been.
 

archcommus

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It's good, not sure about the new task bar but whatever. Explorer hasn't changed much but that's fine since I really like Vista's. I think my biggest gripe is Microsoft's lack of effort to clean up so many basic parts of the OS. For example why do half of the control panel items open in the same window with the nice navigation bar up top, and the other half open old school dialog boxes? Why are admin tools just shortcuts that sit in the start menu instead of being integrated into the control panel? Why is doing something basic like removing items from startup (even novice users want to do this) buried in an admin tool called System Configuration? Things like this they make no effort to improve.
 

Intexity

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Originally posted by: joex444
I agree with the others that you don't actually want our opinions -- your mind is already made up. You hate Vista, we get it. Windows 7 has its roots in Vista, so what do you think it is more similar to -- Vista or the very old XP?

That all said, I run a dual boot setup with Vista x64 and XP x86. It would probably be better to run XP x64, since I have 6GB RAM. But I figured, what the heck, if I get some application that doesn't work in Vista x64, I can always get it to run in XP x86. To be honest with you, I've booted up into XP probably 3 times in the last year -- to get SP3 and just keep XP maintained.

As it is right now, I see absolutely no reason to run XP if your machine can run Vista. Sure, if it's old then XP will run better on it, like my 1.6GHz single core laptop.

Now, you wanted to hear about Windows 7. I have only been able to run this on my spare PC -- much slower than my main rig. (Main rig is a Q6600 @ 3.24GHz, 6GB RAM, and 2 drive RAID0 OS partition [with weekly backups to an eSATA drive]; secondary is an X2 4200+ with 2GB RAM, and old ATA 120GB drive). That said, my spare PC was running Vista before and I have to say that Windows 7 appears to be faster. It also installs in under 10GB, which I thought was pretty good. If you're going to complain about bloatware and all that nonsense, I'll just point you to Newegg who sells 1500GB drives for $130. You have no rational argument with HD capacity and prices as they are to say that 10GB (less, actually) is too much for an OS. I have games that are over 10GB (Grid is 10.1GB).

The changes over Vista made with Windows 7 are mostly minor tweaks, with few things that are drastic.

As you have heard about the User Account Control (UAC) in Vista, yes it was annoying. But you may not have heard that it takes about 10 seconds + 1 reboot to disable those messages and warnings. This, however, ruins the purpose of UAC -- to prevent spyware from being installed and compromising the OS. Windows 7 takes UAC to a more logical level, offering levels of control. Yes, theres still the option to turn it off, but I have it setup as the lowest level. Basically, the default is much like Vista where it warns you whenever anything trys to install. You can change it, like I did, to warn you only when you did not initiate an install. So, if I install something I don't get a warning about "Are you sure you want to install XYZ?" -- but if that program tries to install something else it will warn me about that. So far, this has not been intrusive whatsoever. I think this is a good level of control that they have done, enough to keep malicious software out without displaying so many warnings that users mindlessly allow everything.

The final change that I really really liked in Windows 7 was the introduction of Libraries.

Here's my setup, and I'm aware this is extreme compared to most users -- but we are on Anandtech, so I can't say it's not uncommon around here:

2x250GB in a RAID0 array with OS's
4x320GB in a RAID5 array for storage
1x500GB eSATA for backup of OS, etc.
1x1TB Firewire for more storage, etc.

With Libraries, you can setup multiple folders to appear in a library. So, if I have music on the RAID5 and the Firewire, I dump both those folders into a library and then I can just go to the library and I get all the files in both those folders. I designate one to be the primary folder, so when I copy to a library everything goes to the same place. Or if you have downloads all over the place, same thing. I think this is a much more intuitive way of organizing data than having 5 partitions with redundancies.

The taskbar is also a bit different. You can pin applications to it. So, instead of having a quick launch bar with, say, IE and Libraries you have IE and Libraries pinned to the taskbar. When you click IE, it starts up the app and expands itself by showing the text like it does in every other Windows version. When you download a file and close out the browser the icon takes on the progress bar of the download. And all these pinned apps have a drop-down menu (well, it opens up, but whatever) where it stores your most frequently accessed places (sites, folders, files, whatever is logically relevant) and makes shortcuts to them from there. These same shortcuts appear in the start menu next to every application, whether you pin it to the taskbar or not.

Oh, and Windows Media Player 12. I'm sure you probably use VLC or MPC since you seem like that kind of person, but I've never had a problem playing *any* video files if I have ffdshow tryouts & Haali Media Splitter installed with WMP. I like WMP, it does everything I need it to. The only thing I don't use WMP for is music, I choose Winamp for that. WMP takes up too much of the screen just for music browsing. (The same goes with iTunes). Hell, even with Winamp I never use the Media Library (too much screen). Instead, I organize my music into folders by band, and then subfolders by album. Or, better yet, I create M3U files for each album and store those in 26 folders for the first letter of each band and keep that as a menu on the taskbar. All I have to do is open up the playlists from the taskbar, go to the letter, band, and pick an album. Very useful thing there.

There, you wanted an opinion -- you got one. Probably won't change your mind, and I honestly don't care. I've been using Vista since day 1 and loved it. I see no reason except for outdated hardware as to why you should be on XP instead of Windows Vista, and especially with Windows 7. Windows 7 only improves over Vista (I bet you're thinking, "How could it do any worse?"), and I really enjoyed using it. I'm waiting to try out the x64 edition of Windows 7 on my main rig.

FWIW, the only application I found incompatible with Vista was old versions of Norton Ghost and Nero (6.x I believe). These are easily solved by upgrading -- shocking, I'm sure. Roxio was initially incompatible, I believe with Vista, but this is easily fixed by changing to Nero, which is clearly superior anyways. Also, initial reports of gaming perfomance being decreased in Vista vs XP are no longer current. In general, Vista gaming performance is as good or better than XP. Plus, Vista has DX10 which actually is used now with DX10 cards and games -- something that was not available en masse when Vista first debuted.

 

Intexity

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Well so the guy has found that Vista isnt for him. I am glad to see some are willing to give factual accounts of their usage of Windows 7 rather than snubbing him (or her) because of the not so friendly to vista remarks. Now maybe if people would not take these comments so personally..... I am an XP fanboy but am willing to move on to new software IF it is an actual improvement. I did like the overall look of vista but it slowed my computer to a crawl, not to mention my slow internet speed. Really thats the only reason I don't like Vista. I don't have the newest equipment but with xp 32 bit the thing is a speedy little guy. Sooner or later i will finish downloading windows 7 and play with it, but in the meantime thanks to those who are giving their real time facts.

*edit* doh! maybe someday i can figure out this blogging thing you all speak of...
 

Maximilian

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Originally posted by: dds14u
I believe people will be less hesitant about moving to Win 7 then they were about moving to Vista.

Win 7 is faster and less of a resource hog from my experience. It is everything Vista should have been.

As for the UI, it's very much like Vista...but seeing as how this is beta, that could change. Vista looked like XP in beta after all...

Definately, i see win7 replacing vista and XP completely. I found the UI to actually be much better in win7 than vista it made a lot more sense in a lot of places. Just a small example, changing the start menu power button:

win7 - Right click the button, properties and theres an option there

Vista - Right click the button, properties, get confused about why theres no option there, go online and ask, go to control panel, power options, whatever plan your using, advanced power options, then two drop down menus later there it is...
 

RebateMonger

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I recently attended a Microsoft-attended event for Partners. One of the items covered was Windows 7.

I gleaned two "facts" (partly MS-authorized statements and partly guesses):

1) Microsoft is going to reduce the number of versions of Windows 7. I'm guessing that it'll be reduced to three versions: "Home Premium", "Business", and "Ultimate". I don't know what the actual names of the various editions will be.

The "Home Basic" version will no longer exist. There's not enough price difference between "Home Basic" and "Home Premium" to make it worthwhile. It just adds to consumer confusion and hesitation, which is something that Microsoft wants to avoid.

2) Media Center will be present in "Home Premium" and in "Ultimate". And it may appear in "Business", too. But probably not. At OEM prices, we'll have a $100 W7, a $150 W7, and a $200 W7.

Again, I'm guessing, partly based upon statements that were made.

Also, MS is planning an "embedded version" of W7. That means it has to perform with limited memory and CPU speed. While formal "System Requirements" won't change for W7 compared to Vista, in a stripped-down version it'll be able to run on things like Netbooks and OEM embedded applications.
 

SoulAssassin

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Wondering if anyone has any recommendations for Windows Explorer replacements (file manager not shell)? One of the things I really hate about Vista is how they changed it, it's one of those things that worked perfectly in XP and they had to dork it up. I don't need all the Favorites and Homegroup crap down the left side, just give me my C drive, let me sort how I want and I know what I'm doing. I still hate how they do the folder in the address bar, where is the up button, where's my damn delete button?
 
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