What can get us out of the unemployment slump?

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
First thing is raising kids is a job for professionals. Pay the folk who stay home, maintain households, and take care of kids. Our whole system is utter horse shit, based on paying the person who hunts meat, and not the folk who grow the veggies and cook the meat. A society is an organic whole and only the selfish, self-interested, detached, mostly male units of that society get any reward. They are the ones who are expendable, the ones who were sacrificed to the leopards to keep the cats from eating the young chimps, and now they are the gods.

Our culture is totally sick and it's dying because of the lack of jobs. Everybody has a job in an organic unit. Everybody should be caring for everybody else. It's is built on a war of men against women.

And what happens when the nurturers go on strike because they aren't getting paid enough?

I think the jobs get sent overseas, no?

 

[Falloutboy]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
A big war would increase employment right away.

haha ww3 anyone?

but in all seriousness it wouldn't have the effect it had on the economy back in the 40s since we are not the manufacturing powerhouse we once were, and the fact that military hardware isn't made like it used to be, you can't rush into production the planes we use like you could back then they are much more complex and require much more lead time then would be needed to make a difference in a modern conflict

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I wish I was crazy like Moonbeam. Life would be so easy if I could walk around in a haze.

judging by your posting, you already do, and are just unaware.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
How about we put people to work repairing the infrastructure before it all falls apart.

~*big government*~

 

[spidey07]

How about business and/or personal tax cuts for using American made products and services?

 

[Falloutboy]

another thing I wounder how would the economy honestly react to if we deported all the illeagles, I know there are parts of the country where the economy relies on there cheap labor, but if you eliminated that source of labor and honestly enforced it what would happen? the work needs to get done, and that work would go to the currently unemployed at a fair wage. on the flip side make legislation that lossens the unions hold on manufacturing, and let companies hire people who want to work for cheaper than the unions will take and let the free market decide what should happen there.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I wish I was crazy like Moonbeam. Life would be so easy if I could walk around in a haze.

I know you've deceived me, now here's a surprise
I know that you have 'cause there's magic in my eyes

I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles
Oh yeah

If you think that I don't know about the little tricks you've played
And never see you when deliberately you put things in my way

Well, here's a poke at you
You're gonna choke on it too
You're gonna lose that smile
Beacuse all the while

I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles
Oh yeah

You took advantage of my trust in you when I was so far away
I saw you holding lots of other guys and now you've got the nerve to say

That you still want me
Well, that's as may be
But you gotta stand trial
Because all the while

I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles
Oh yeah

I know you've deceived me, now here's a surprise
I know that you have 'cause there's magic in my eyes

I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles
Oh yeah

The Eiffel Tower and the Taj Mahal are mine to see on clear days
You thought that I would need a crystal ball to see right through the haze

Well, here's a poke at you
You're gonna choke on it too
You're gonna lose that smile
Beacuse all the while

I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles
And miles and miles and miles and miles

I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: spidey07
How about business and/or personal tax cuts for using American made products and services?

Sounds great but I would bet that we would have a protest filed against us with the WTO or some other free trade crap that we've already signed.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: spidey07
How about business and/or personal tax cuts for using American made products and services?

Sounds great but I would bet that we would have a protest filed against us with the WTO or some other free trade crap that we've already signed.

Heh, all the other countries do it, why can't we?

Oh that's right, if we want to INCENT more American production we're being nationalists...sorry, I forgot that I received the memo.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: spidey07
How about business and/or personal tax cuts for using American made products and services?

Sounds great but I would bet that we would have a protest filed against us with the WTO or some other free trade crap that we've already signed.

Heh, all the other countries do it, why can't we?

Oh that's right, if we want to INCENT more American production we're being nationalists...sorry, I forgot that I received the memo.

BINGO...and don't forget, we're being PROTECTIONISTS too!

(was that in the memo too? I lost mine! )

 

[quest55720]

I don't think anything can be done till government gets out of the way. I can't blame any employer for not hiring or cutting back right now. They are going to have to foot the bill for cap and tax and obama-care.

 

[Nik]

You fix it by removing an employer's ability to write off wages of any employee who can't prove they are a natural citizen. The system already exists to check SSNs, so why not use it? If you can't prove an employee is a legit citizen, you must then claim their wages as profit and be taxed on them. Bam, illegals out the door. Contrary to popular bullshit, people will line up at factories and such if illegals are removed en masse. People want to work.

That'll solve the health care budget crisis, too, because illegals will be gone.

Too bad congress shot down this initiative already. Buncha dumbasses.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bobsmith1492

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
First thing is raising kids is a job for professionals. Pay the folk who stay home, maintain households, and take care of kids. Our whole system is utter horse shit, based on paying the person who hunts meat, and not the folk who grow the veggies and cook the meat. A society is an organic whole and only the selfish, self-interested, detached, mostly male units of that society get any reward. They are the ones who are expendable, the ones who were sacrificed to the leopards to keep the cats from eating the young chimps, and now they are the gods.

Our culture is totally sick and it's dying because of the lack of jobs. Everybody has a job in an organic unit. Everybody should be caring for everybody else. It's is built on a war of men against women.

That's why marriage works so well; one can stay home and maintain the household while the other works to bring in the income for both.

I think you have it backwards; the war is the women against the men. When women do everything, there is no place for the men. If a man attaches himself to a woman in today's society, the woman has all the rights and can hang the man out to dry for no valid reason. So, the men don't want to be attached to a woman; the women are stuck working outside with no one to care for the home and the men are wandering around looking for entertainment.

Well, except that industry figured out that women will work better then men for half pay and so now men make nothing too and both husband and wife have to work. So since women HAVE to do everything, men made themselves irrelevant.

you are nuttier than ProfJohn

 

[Pocatello]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: spidey07
First of - stop having the media and the President perpetuate a "this is the worst time in history". All it does is make people horde their money and not spend anything and makes things much worse.

Come on spidey. You and I both know its only the GOP who perpetuates the FEAR FEAR FEAR mantra. If Obama said anything to that effect (which he has) he was misunderstood.

Well I'm serious. If you keep telling people this in commercials, in government position, in reporting what the hell did you think is going to happen?

It will get worse. I am so sick and tired of BB and his ilk (media included) perpetuating this crisis. What will get us out of unemployment slump? Production. What leads to higher production? More consumption/purchasing.

So we borrow or take out our savings to buy stuffs so the Chinese can increase production? Let's go buy a big screen TV! Oh, here's a brand new cellphone!

 

[Kntx]

Originally posted by: Falloutboy

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
A big war would increase employment right away.

haha ww3 anyone?

but in all seriousness it wouldn't have the effect it had on the economy back in the 40s since we are not the manufacturing powerhouse we once were, and the fact that military hardware isn't made like it used to be, you can't rush into production the planes we use like you could back then they are much more complex and require much more lead time then would be needed to make a difference in a modern conflict

All the fancy shmancy stuff would be blown up in the first few days. Once all the cool toys are gone production of easy to make hardware would take off.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Modelworks
How about we put people to work repairing the infrastructure before it all falls apart.

~*big government*~

At least we would be getting something for all the unemployment and welfare paid out.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I wish I was crazy like Moonbeam. Life would be so easy if I could walk around in a haze.

judging by your posting, you already do, and are just unaware.

Still a wannabe or did you graduate yet?

 

[Moonbeam]

Jobs would put a dent in unemployment, I bet.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Pocatello

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: spidey07
First of - stop having the media and the President perpetuate a "this is the worst time in history". All it does is make people horde their money and not spend anything and makes things much worse.

Come on spidey. You and I both know its only the GOP who perpetuates the FEAR FEAR FEAR mantra. If Obama said anything to that effect (which he has) he was misunderstood.

Well I'm serious. If you keep telling people this in commercials, in government position, in reporting what the hell did you think is going to happen?

It will get worse. I am so sick and tired of BB and his ilk (media included) perpetuating this crisis. What will get us out of unemployment slump? Production. What leads to higher production? More consumption/purchasing.

So we borrow or take out our savings to buy stuffs so the Chinese can increase production? Let's go buy a big screen TV! Oh, here's a brand new cellphone!

That is the problem that none of our politicians want to address because it wouldn't be popular. Our entire economy is based upon people spending more than they make (from individuals to government). It can't go on forever... Math always wins in the end.

 

[bobsmith1492]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bobsmith1492

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
First thing is raising kids is a job for professionals. Pay the folk who stay home, maintain households, and take care of kids. Our whole system is utter horse shit, based on paying the person who hunts meat, and not the folk who grow the veggies and cook the meat. A society is an organic whole and only the selfish, self-interested, detached, mostly male units of that society get any reward. They are the ones who are expendable, the ones who were sacrificed to the leopards to keep the cats from eating the young chimps, and now they are the gods.

Our culture is totally sick and it's dying because of the lack of jobs. Everybody has a job in an organic unit. Everybody should be caring for everybody else. It's is built on a war of men against women.

That's why marriage works so well; one can stay home and maintain the household while the other works to bring in the income for both.

I think you have it backwards; the war is the women against the men. When women do everything, there is no place for the men. If a man attaches himself to a woman in today's society, the woman has all the rights and can hang the man out to dry for no valid reason. So, the men don't want to be attached to a woman; the women are stuck working outside with no one to care for the home and the men are wandering around looking for entertainment.

Well, except that industry figured out that women will work better then men for half pay and so now men make nothing too and both husband and wife have to work. So since women HAVE to do everything, men made themselves irrelevant.

you are nuttier than ProfJohn

Hm, no I think he's right. Why pay a man who will intrude on your turf when you can get a pretty woman to do the work instead??

So there's a chicken-and-egg; if fewer people work, they will have hard times but in the long run individual wages may go up if they can do the same amount of work. The net effect is more people running their homes and fewer people doing more work...

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Pocatello

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: spidey07
First of - stop having the media and the President perpetuate a "this is the worst time in history". All it does is make people horde their money and not spend anything and makes things much worse.

Come on spidey. You and I both know its only the GOP who perpetuates the FEAR FEAR FEAR mantra. If Obama said anything to that effect (which he has) he was misunderstood.

Well I'm serious. If you keep telling people this in commercials, in government position, in reporting what the hell did you think is going to happen?

It will get worse. I am so sick and tired of BB and his ilk (media included) perpetuating this crisis. What will get us out of unemployment slump? Production. What leads to higher production? More consumption/purchasing.

So we borrow or take out our savings to buy stuffs so the Chinese can increase production? Let's go buy a big screen TV! Oh, here's a brand new cellphone!

That is the problem that none of our politicians want to address because it wouldn't be popular. Our entire economy is based upon people spending more than they make (from individuals to government). It can't go on forever... Math always wins in the end.

Is that why we have a target of 3% inflation/year? The government/Fed is encouraging people to spend money instead of save it to keep the economy going?

On a related note, what's the point of inducing 3%/year inflation if people get a corresponding 3% cost of living raise each year? What is the net effect in this situation?

 

[randalee]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
A big war would increase employment right away.

Now hear me out. Could you imagine the way our country would come together, were we invaded by China or Russia, etc.? We need a good old fashioned invasion on American soil. That could fix us up right dandy.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: randalee

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
A big war would increase employment right away.

Now hear me out. Could you imagine the way our country would come together, were we invaded by China or Russia, etc.? We need a good old fashioned invasion on American soil. That could fix us up right dandy.

Unless they invade with ICBMs. Also, wars cost money, so that requires more borrowing. The productivity from a war can be faked by simply undergoing a huge infrastructure project and that also saves lives, plus not just employment but you end up with something at the end.

 

[Budmantom]

What can get us out of the unemployment slump?


Well if doing it Barry's way increases unemployment than doing the opposite should do the job.

 

[Pocatello]

Here is an evil plan, don't fight wars, but don't discourage other countries to fight wars with their neighbors, we sell them weapons, after they're tired of fighting, we can sell them reconstruction materials.