Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Well I'm not even going to defend my knowledge or lack of it too someone like you, especially when you dont even know the difference between a Blazer and a Pickup. (Granted there isnt much, but you are being a cockhole so I felt like being obnoxious.)Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Originally posted by: shortylickens
I had a 2002 Mazda 5, till I got hit by a V10 Econoline at 10 MPH and my entire front end disintegrated. Those little asian cars might seem nice and efficient, until you get hit.
Now I have a 2003 chevy S10 three-door. The interior isnt nearly as nice and the thing is a gas hog, but I want to at least survive a minor accident.
I laughed so hard I almost spit out my drink as I read this. I would take a small civic ot protege over your s10 any day. The ignorance on these forums is stunning. Good reading:
"March 15, 2005
Reuters, "GM's Blazer Ranked Deadliest Car on U.S. Roadways"
The two-door Chevrolet Blazer from General Motors Corp. has the highest driver death rate of any passenger vehicle on U.S. roadways, a research group with links to the insurance industry said on Tuesday.
The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (news - web sites) based that conclusion, and its embarrassing result for the world's largest automaker, on an extensive study of passenger vehicles from the 1999-2002 model years.
The study focused on the rate of driver deaths in various types of crashes, including both single- and multiple-vehicle accidents.
The overall driver death rate, for 199 models studied during the 2000-2003 calendar years, was 87 per million registered vehicles annually, the Insurance Institute said.
Weighing in at more than three times the overall rate, the Insurance Institute said the two-door, two-wheel-drive Blazer -- a midsize sport utility vehicle -- had an average of 308 driver deaths per million.
The Blazer also had the highest rate of driver deaths in rollover accidents at 251 per million."
I KNOW that suv's and trucks are more likely to take lives. I also know they routinely take more lives than guns every year, but every time a gun grabber wants to get rid of them with the sorry excuse it will "save lives" I always point to SUV's as way to help reduce death tolls.
The problem here is your study didnt say anything about the vehicle itself. The vehicles are just fine. Its the assholes that typically purchase such things. They have little regard for other people anyway and just assume that other folks will make way for them on the road. (Similar to the BMW owners.)
I used to piss and moan about such assholes every day, now out of a sense of self-preservation, I have become one.
The only difference here is I know I can be a courteous driver and follow the rules of the road and not force others into bad situations around me.
Given your obvious arrogance and ignorance I'd have to say you are one of the many fools I'd have to watch out for on the roads.
Apparently I am a "cockhole" for stating a FACT while you are blessed b/c you are a courteous driver. My post made no assumptions about what type of driver you are I just posted about the car (and I hope you know full well that the blazer is just an s-10 w/ cab). I posted to your more than apparent ignorance to what crumple zones are and how they work. Your truck is unsafe compared to many of those "small asian" cars that you refer to. Your outlash at me just suggests you had no thought behind your purchase other than the typical (and wrong) American attitude that a bigger SUV or truck must be safe - while clearly not. I don't care how you drive, your truck isn't any safer than the small cars you traded it for. But, apparently I am "arrogant and ignorant" for correcting your dumb ass assumptions with actual data while you spout crap about being a safe driver.
Originally posted by: oOZo
Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Well I'm not even going to defend my knowledge or lack of it too someone like you, especially when you dont even know the difference between a Blazer and a Pickup. (Granted there isnt much, but you are being a cockhole so I felt like being obnoxious.)Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Originally posted by: shortylickens
I had a 2002 Mazda 5, till I got hit by a V10 Econoline at 10 MPH and my entire front end disintegrated. Those little asian cars might seem nice and efficient, until you get hit.
Now I have a 2003 chevy S10 three-door. The interior isnt nearly as nice and the thing is a gas hog, but I want to at least survive a minor accident.
I laughed so hard I almost spit out my drink as I read this. I would take a small civic ot protege over your s10 any day. The ignorance on these forums is stunning. Good reading:
"March 15, 2005
Reuters, "GM's Blazer Ranked Deadliest Car on U.S. Roadways"
The two-door Chevrolet Blazer from General Motors Corp. has the highest driver death rate of any passenger vehicle on U.S. roadways, a research group with links to the insurance industry said on Tuesday.
The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (news - web sites) based that conclusion, and its embarrassing result for the world's largest automaker, on an extensive study of passenger vehicles from the 1999-2002 model years.
The study focused on the rate of driver deaths in various types of crashes, including both single- and multiple-vehicle accidents.
The overall driver death rate, for 199 models studied during the 2000-2003 calendar years, was 87 per million registered vehicles annually, the Insurance Institute said.
Weighing in at more than three times the overall rate, the Insurance Institute said the two-door, two-wheel-drive Blazer -- a midsize sport utility vehicle -- had an average of 308 driver deaths per million.
The Blazer also had the highest rate of driver deaths in rollover accidents at 251 per million."
I KNOW that suv's and trucks are more likely to take lives. I also know they routinely take more lives than guns every year, but every time a gun grabber wants to get rid of them with the sorry excuse it will "save lives" I always point to SUV's as way to help reduce death tolls.
The problem here is your study didnt say anything about the vehicle itself. The vehicles are just fine. Its the assholes that typically purchase such things. They have little regard for other people anyway and just assume that other folks will make way for them on the road. (Similar to the BMW owners.)
I used to piss and moan about such assholes every day, now out of a sense of self-preservation, I have become one.
The only difference here is I know I can be a courteous driver and follow the rules of the road and not force others into bad situations around me.
Given your obvious arrogance and ignorance I'd have to say you are one of the many fools I'd have to watch out for on the roads.
Apparently I am a "cockhole" for stating a FACT while you are blessed b/c you are a courteous driver. My post made no assumptions about what type of driver you are I just posted about the car (and I hope you know full well that the blazer is just an s-10 w/ cab). I posted to your more than apparent ignorance to what crumple zones are and how they work. Your truck is unsafe compared to many of those "small asian" cars that you refer to. Your outlash at me just suggests you had no thought behind your purchase other than the typical (and wrong) American attitude that a bigger SUV or truck must be safe - while clearly not. I don't care how you drive, your truck isn't any safer than the small cars you traded it for. But, apparently I am "arrogant and ignorant" for correcting your dumb ass assumptions with actual data while you spout crap about being a safe driver.
Crumple zones - Top of the line cars have built in many different safety mechanisms for head on and side collisions. The car will distribute the impact energy and flex rather than break. The engine will drop to the ground and pass underneath the driver compartment. Various airbags front side etc will deploy. Statistically these improvements make a lot of sense for car companies to adopt so you can have the most possible safety with the gas economy of a small car. Just Don't get into a major accident because that's when you punch the clock and meet GOD. You want some statistics to bat around? Go talk to any police officer or sheriff and see what they drive and what their opinion is after working a major metropolis and seeing the road carnage wrought upon small asian cars. And since I know you won't do it I will tell you...THEY DRIVE TRUCKS and SUV's and vehicles with weight because they are safer vehicles and can't be muscled off the road and won't collaps in an accident. So get the pickle out of your a* and pick up a physics book and the next time you want to discuss the safety of a small asian car vs a large truck or SUV you might have something intelligent to say.
OZ
Originally posted by: vi_edit
I dont' get your hangup on the fact that it's Asian. Some of the safest (for their size) cars on the road come from Japan. Subaru's have some of the most impressive crash ratings of any car on the market.
Most "Asian" cars will fair better than domestics of similar size.
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: shortylickens
I had a 2002 Mazda 5, till I got hit by a V10 Econoline at 10 MPH and my entire front end disintegrated. Those little asian cars might seem nice and efficient, until you get hit.
Now I have a 2003 chevy S10 three-door. The interior isnt nearly as nice and the thing is a gas hog, but I want to at least survive a minor accident.
I used to work in the rental car industry and the Japanese cars (Toyotas anyway) were very very good in collisions. I remember seeing a Corolla of ours after getting hit head on by a van at around 40mph and the passenger compartment was still intact and the occupants were not injured badly. I saw a Hyundia that was hit in front and from behind and the passenger compartment on that car was completely destroyed...especially the rear seat. I don't know what the impact speed was but I would not have wanted to be in that car in a collision.
Actually in reality many of the big truck suck at protecting their passengers from real accidents. Sure hit a Metro at 10mph and you will mess it up...hit it at 70mph and you may be messed up. They don't have to follow the same crash test procedures.
Driver's of them seem predatory though...many of my friends driving smaller cars have had incidents with the fullsize SUV/Truck tailgating, using trainhorns, using grill and roof light kits, etc against them. If my wife is with me as much as I want to I can't, but if I am solo or with a friend I let them know about off-roading...if they do hit me it will be at a controlled speed and minor; they will have to pay for it.
Personally I see these people as really hating their lives. Having the need to hunt down those driving vehicles you don't own shows nothing, but jealousy to me.
Those people have some kind of power trip, and like to exert their superiority over anybody with anything less than them. They think they are bigger, faster and better then everyone else, the kind of people that will deliberately get in the ending lane of a merge at a stop and push their way through the front. For the most part they get away with it because even a basic V8 powered truck with high rear end gears for torque towing are a bit perkier than the typical Camry, Mazda, Accord, Cavalier, etc. The fact that 90% of the people on the road can't defend themselves or do anything about it just feeds them even more and they think they own the road.
When they do that with me I just light the tires and make their ass a distant memory, it does a number on their ego when they are wide open and feel like they are going in reverse in their brand new truck and realize spinners and TVs aren't doing jack for their ability to exert control over smaller cars.
Originally posted by: oOZo
Crumple zones - Top of the line cars have built in many different safety mechanisms for head on and side collisions. The car will distribute the impact energy and flex rather than break. The engine will drop to the ground and pass underneath the driver compartment. Various airbags front side etc will deploy. Statistically these improvements make a lot of sense for car companies to adopt so you can have the most possible safety with the gas economy of a small car. Just Don't get into a major accident because that's when you punch the clock and meet GOD. You want some statistics to bat around? Go talk to any police officer or sheriff and see what they drive and what their opinion is after working a major metropolis and seeing the road carnage wrought upon small asian cars. And since I know you won't do it I will tell you...THEY DRIVE TRUCKS and SUV's and vehicles with weight because they are safer vehicles and can't be muscled off the road and won't collaps in an accident. So get the pickle out of your a* and pick up a physics book and the next time you want to discuss the safety of a small asian car vs a large truck or SUV you might have something intelligent to say.
OZ
Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Originally posted by: oOZo
Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Originally posted by: shortylickens
For the record: There are bad drivers in all sizes of vehicle from Civic to raised pickup trucks, it's not just exclusive to trucks.
I completely agree.
Originally posted by: oOZo
S 70MPH head on 70MPH is equivalent to driving 140MPH into a solid wall.
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OZ
Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Originally posted by: oOZo
S 70MPH head on 70MPH is equivalent to driving 140MPH into a solid wall.
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OZ
Not quite buddy, pick up the physics book again. MOMENTUM is what counts here, not just velocity.
Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Originally posted by: oOZo
Crumple zones - Top of the line cars have built in many different safety mechanisms for head on and side collisions. The car will distribute the impact energy and flex rather than break. The engine will drop to the ground and pass underneath the driver compartment. Various airbags front side etc will deploy. Statistically these improvements make a lot of sense for car companies to adopt so you can have the most possible safety with the gas economy of a small car. Just Don't get into a major accident because that's when you punch the clock and meet GOD. You want some statistics to bat around? Go talk to any police officer or sheriff and see what they drive and what their opinion is after working a major metropolis and seeing the road carnage wrought upon small asian cars. And since I know you won't do it I will tell you...THEY DRIVE TRUCKS and SUV's and vehicles with weight because they are safer vehicles and can't be muscled off the road and won't collaps in an accident. So get the pickle out of your a* and pick up a physics book and the next time you want to discuss the safety of a small asian car vs a large truck or SUV you might have something intelligent to say.
OZ
Actually funny you should say that because I do have a degree in science and I have taken plenty of physics classes and understand things like momentum and data driven choi9ces, something you clearly do not.
Some hillbilly cop that drives SUVs around thinking their safe proves nothing but you are a retard for bringing it up. I posted data, you have posted a few peoples' opinions..whoopeee. Idiot.
Large SUV vs small car, yes the car with the most mass ill inflict more damage (and you do know by driving the heap of iron you are making people less safe around you - hence the increasing size of SUV s you need something continuously bigger to beat the other guy) but that doesn't necessarily translate into safety for the people in the bigger auto. Plus many ( I would say most - but don't want to bother looking it up) threatening accidents involve a stationary object in which case the car with less mass is the better car to be in (if you don't know why I suggest you drag out the physics book).
The FACT of the matter is this - the guy bought the car b/c he thought it was safer. It isn't. The type of truck/suv we are talking about is the most dangerous vehicle on the road - you can't dispute it no matter how many 'ask the cops stories' you bring into play. If you don't like it well, you are wrong. You can drive whatever you wish, just don't go about having some delusional fantasy about the bigger the Truck/SUV the safer you are. There are many small cars that are super safe, many large autos that aren't - and vice versa. It has to do with the engineering of the crumple zones. Something the poster I was responding to didn't quite get.