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JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
And I dont like the 4.6
Why not? The 32 valve version was a very nice engine, though quite wide. And the 24 valve version in the new Mustang is a very nice piece of work.

I'll definitely admit that the 16 valve 4.6 engines were nothing special, but the newer iterations are quite strong.

ZV

I was referencing Factory Five kits. Like you said, the 2v engines were nothing, and those are the only ones priced well enough for me to think about dismantling. Not to mention, the 4v is a tight fit. But, wow, does it scream.

Do you use the chassis from the donor car with the factory five kit? Or do you just use the drivetrain?

Drivetrain mainly, also suspension pieces and steering. The chassis and everything is built by FFR.

What would that set you back when completed? I like the idea, just seems like it would be a huge money pit. It would be fun to buy a race motor and drop it in that car though.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
82,854
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: shortylickens
I had a 2002 Mazda 5, till I got hit by a V10 Econoline at 10 MPH and my entire front end disintegrated. Those little asian cars might seem nice and efficient, until you get hit.

Now I have a 2003 chevy S10 three-door. The interior isnt nearly as nice and the thing is a gas hog, but I want to at least survive a minor accident.

I used to work in the rental car industry and the Japanese cars (Toyotas anyway) were very very good in collisions. I remember seeing a Corolla of ours after getting hit head on by a van at around 40mph and the passenger compartment was still intact and the occupants were not injured badly. I saw a Hyundia that was hit in front and from behind and the passenger compartment on that car was completely destroyed...especially the rear seat. I don't know what the impact speed was but I would not have wanted to be in that car in a collision.
Like some others have already said, the laws of physics are pretty reliable on the road.

I dont know what they got hit with at 40 miles an hour, but an Econoline at 10 probably matches or exceeds them.
I'm not knocking mazdas at all. They are a great deal for the money and pretty nice too. I just dont want another one when I consider the fact I drive with other people on the road. If it were only my road I would take another little japanese car in a second.

(Interesting side note, I heard that when you buy a BMW, the road suddenly becomes yours. )
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/wolf56/bmw.html

 

iamwiz82

Lifer
Jan 10, 2001
30,772
13
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
And I dont like the 4.6
Why not? The 32 valve version was a very nice engine, though quite wide. And the 24 valve version in the new Mustang is a very nice piece of work.

I'll definitely admit that the 16 valve 4.6 engines were nothing special, but the newer iterations are quite strong.

ZV

I was referencing Factory Five kits. Like you said, the 2v engines were nothing, and those are the only ones priced well enough for me to think about dismantling. Not to mention, the 4v is a tight fit. But, wow, does it scream.

Do you use the chassis from the donor car with the factory five kit? Or do you just use the drivetrain?

Drivetrain mainly, also suspension pieces and steering. The chassis and everything is built by FFR.

What would that set you back when completed? I like the idea, just seems like it would be a huge money pit. It would be fun to buy a race motor and drop it in that car though.

I have seen builds as low as $17,000 and as high as $50,000, depending on how crazy you get. The base kit is $12,990, plus a donor, plus paint. Like I said, you can get all brand new parts for as low as $15,000 (carbed 345hp 5.0, 4 link rear axle, etc) or has high as almost $20,000 (EFI 5.0, IRS). That price is down to the last nut and bolt, from what I have been told. All new suspension, steering, and drivetrain.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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867
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Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: shortylickens
I had a 2002 Mazda 5, till I got hit by a V10 Econoline at 10 MPH and my entire front end disintegrated. Those little asian cars might seem nice and efficient, until you get hit.

Now I have a 2003 chevy S10 three-door. The interior isnt nearly as nice and the thing is a gas hog, but I want to at least survive a minor accident.

I used to work in the rental car industry and the Japanese cars (Toyotas anyway) were very very good in collisions. I remember seeing a Corolla of ours after getting hit head on by a van at around 40mph and the passenger compartment was still intact and the occupants were not injured badly. I saw a Hyundia that was hit in front and from behind and the passenger compartment on that car was completely destroyed...especially the rear seat. I don't know what the impact speed was but I would not have wanted to be in that car in a collision.
Like some others have already said, the laws of physics are pretty reliable on the road.

I dont know what they got hit with at 40 miles an hour, but an Econoline at 10 probably matches or exceeds them.
I'm not knocking mazdas at all. They are a great deal for the money and pretty nice too. I just dont want another one when I consider the fact I drive with other people on the road. If it were only my road I would take another little japanese car in a second.

(Interesting side note, I heard that when you buy a BMW, the road suddenly becomes yours. )
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/wolf56/bmw.html

:laugh: Yeah, I've heard that as well.

I've owned all sorts of cars and even one truck over the years. Personally, I felt very safe in the Lotus Elise I rented a couple weeks ago. I think being able to get out of a situation quickly is worth more than navigating the roads in a giant hunk of metal. Yeah, I'd hate to get blindsided in a Lotus Elise but then again, I ride a bicycle thousands of miles each year on the roads here in San Diego. If I spent my life worrying about what might happen I'd never enjoy it. I'd rather enjoy it.
 
Jan 31, 2002
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Originally posted by: shortylickens
As for M4H, I respect your opinion but its utter bunk. The car disintegrating did not save my life. The air bags didnt even deploy, which makes me question Mazdas safety design a little.
My life was saved by only being hit at 10 miles per hour. Had it been anything more who know if I would be here today, annoying the crap out of you.

Airbags are designed to deploy when necessary. In this case, the car decided it was better to crumple the front and absorb the impact that way rather than pop the airbag into your face.

Your life was saved by low speed impact and crush zones. If the car hadn't crumpled, then the airbag likely would have deployed to stop you from getting a mouthful of steering wheel.

- M4H
 

Ryan

Lifer
Oct 31, 2000
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Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: shortylickens
I had a 2002 Mazda 5, till I got hit by a V10 Econoline at 10 MPH and my entire front end disintegrated. Those little asian cars might seem nice and efficient, until you get hit.

Now I have a 2003 chevy S10 three-door. The interior isnt nearly as nice and the thing is a gas hog, but I want to at least survive a minor accident.

I used to work in the rental car industry and the Japanese cars (Toyotas anyway) were very very good in collisions. I remember seeing a Corolla of ours after getting hit head on by a van at around 40mph and the passenger compartment was still intact and the occupants were not injured badly. I saw a Hyundia that was hit in front and from behind and the passenger compartment on that car was completely destroyed...especially the rear seat. I don't know what the impact speed was but I would not have wanted to be in that car in a collision.
Like some others have already said, the laws of physics are pretty reliable on the road.

I dont know what they got hit with at 40 miles an hour, but an Econoline at 10 probably matches or exceeds them.

I'm not knocking mazdas at all. They are a great deal for the money and pretty nice too. I just dont want another one when I consider the fact I drive with other people on the road. If it were only my road I would take another little japanese car in a second.

(Interesting side note, I heard that when you buy a BMW, the road suddenly becomes yours. )
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/wolf56/bmw.html

LoL - so says the man who speaks of physics. A geo metro going 40mph is going to cause more damage than an Econoline at 10.
 
Jan 31, 2002
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Originally posted by: Ryan
LoL - so says the man who speaks of physics. A geo metro going 40mph is going to cause more damage than an Econoline at 10.

Speaking of physics, I call shens on the bolded statement even being possible.



Edit - Now with less quoting

- M4H
 

cyclistca

Platinum Member
Dec 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: dug777
1989 Mazda 323 5 door hatch (5speed manual)

Utterly reliable, not a speck of rust, and very comfortable, albeit somewhat underpowered and not entirely frugal with the petrol...

Cool, they didn't sell a 5 door in NA. My first car was 89 3 door.

Present truck is a 2000 Nissan Xterra.

 

Fraggable

Platinum Member
Jul 20, 2005
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01 Mustang V6, auto trans, 63K miles, ~23 MPG

I love it. I know it's not a 'real' Mustang with the auto trans and all, but it's so fun anyway and feels so stable. Very reliable so far too. It's no fun in the snow though.
 

QurazyQuisp

Platinum Member
Feb 5, 2003
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I don't have one right now... but come may... I'll have a 1999.5-2005 Jetta with Manual transmission, and I'd prefer the VR6, but I'll take what I can find.
 

AdamK47

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
15,320
2,928
126
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
And I dont like the 4.6
Why not? The 32 valve version was a very nice engine, though quite wide. And the 24 valve version in the new Mustang is a very nice piece of work.

I'll definitely admit that the 16 valve 4.6 engines were nothing special, but the newer iterations are quite strong.

ZV

I was referencing Factory Five kits. Like you said, the 2v engines were nothing, and those are the only ones priced well enough for me to think about dismantling. Not to mention, the 4v is a tight fit. But, wow, does it scream.

All naturally aspirated 4.6s suck both literally and figuratively.
 
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