What console do you 'personally' own?

[Wingznut]

If Forza was on the PC and PS4, I wouldn't care, because it's a micro transaction ridden POS, IMHO.

I'm guessing you haven't actually played the game... There's DLC, which I don't think anyone would call a "MICROtransaction", so you must be talking about the the option to purchase "tokens" to acquire cars. I can't count how many hours I've put into it. And I know quite a few people who have done the same. I don't know anyone who has bought any tokens. Earning the cars in game is easy.

I just said that the xbox one has less than the ps4. Forza, Killer instinct, and Halo.

If you think that is all the Xbox has to offer, you have blinders on. Besides, exactly what exclusives does the PS4 have to brag about?

NOTE: I'm not trying to bash the PS4, I think it's a phenomenal console. I own a PS3, I owned a PS4, and surely will acquire one again in the future.

 

[smackababy]

I did read that the non-owner was supposed to have had extreme limitations on the games. It's been way too long to remember the details of what was leaked or rumored.

From what limited announcement that was made, it was confusing. If I remember correctly, a disgruntled employee came out and said it was the full game, but a time limit of like an hour or two was imposed. MS later said, there was discussion of a limit, but no hard rules made mostly because they all seemed too short.

The actual implementation? Only MS actually knows.

 

[Fulle]

@Wingznut

I'm not in some kind of small minority that has a problem with Forza. The game has a 5.5 User Metascore for a reason.

No weather effects. Less tracks. Less cars. In game currency reduced, to give incentive to buy it with real money. I personally won't be supporting such a game. It makes me sad that there are people like you that put up with it.

 

[Wingznut]

@Wingznut

I'm not in some kind of small minority that has a problem with Forza. The game has a 5.5 User Metascore for a reason.

No weather effects. Less tracks. Less cars. In game currency reduced, to give incentive to buy it with real money. I personally won't be supporting such a game. It makes me sad that there are people like you that put up with it.

Metascores are utter crap. People who have never played the game, and never intended to, can give ratings. Completely pointless.

The in game currency is not an issue whatsoever. Ask anyone who has played it.

Lack of cars? Yeah, a small concern. But what most people do is compare it to something like Gran Turismo, which isn't apples to oranges. Multiple versions of essentially the same car, cars so ugly because they ported from previous generation consoles... No thanks. I wonder what the total would be, if you removed those. That being said, there are certainly cars that people miss.

Lack of tracks is the most important issue you listed. They made good strides by releasing tracks for free, but we all want more.

The game is a lot of fun. Period. If you focused on that, which is actually what's important, instead of tertiary BS, then you wouldn't be sad. Cheer up!

 

[smackababy]

@Wingznut

I'm not in some kind of small minority that has a problem with Forza. The game has a 5.5 User Metascore for a reason.

No weather effects. Less tracks. Less cars. In game currency reduced, to give incentive to buy it with real money. I personally won't be supporting such a game. It makes me sad that there are people like you that put up with it.

So, have you ever played Forza? Obviously not. People who cry about the in game currency being "required" or even nudged as being the preferred way haven't played Forza 5. It is that simple. It is an option and all the cars are very reasonably priced, along with extra ways to earn money (each level gives you like 50,000 credits), you don't go without in terms of buying cars. I have made enough credits to purchase every type of car I want (except for a Shelby Cobra Daytona AND a '57 Testarossa, but those are such unicorn cars... Ralph Lauren paid like $27 million for this Testarossa).

The lack of cars and tracks is a deficiency, but given the time it takes to get the content in that level of detail and the limited time available to make Xbox One launch, it is forgivable IMO. Plus, they are adding free tracks. If 200 cars isn't enough for you, why would 500 be? Do you really need 15 versions of the 2013 Mustang? "Oh, but they don't have the base model my daddy has!" Yeah, well, if your father was so poor, he could have gotten the model he actually wanted that is in the game.

 

[SurelyYouJest]

Source? Everything I read said the exact opposite.

It was all over the net. Apparently it came from Pastebin. Here is a link to one article but there are more
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/21/4451172/xbox-engineer-disappointed-pastebin-note-rumored-features

Although it has been updated to try to do some damage control MS is still being vague about it and just because this mouth piece said it would be silly now doesn't mean that isn't what they were planning to do at the time.

I really wanted to believe that it would be like every one thought it would, but then common sense prevailed. If every Xbox One owner had unlimited, unrestricted access to ten friends entire game library the most copies of any game a publishers could expect to sell (they might sell more but couldn't count on it) would be 1 in 10 of Xbox Ones sold. Take a game like Call of Duty Ghosts which sold around 5 million (I couldn't find the exact number but I think it was closer to 10 million) or more copies on 360, if they sold say 10 million Xbox Ones, if the friends/family plan was unlimited Activision could only expect to sell 1 million copies. I seriously doubt any publisher would OK that deal.

On a side note I think MS should have named it the Xbox Flip Flop because of all the 180s.

 

[MentalIlness]

 

[Lil Frier]

It was all over the net. Apparently it came from Pastebin. Here is a link to one article but there are more
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/21/4451172/xbox-engineer-disappointed-pastebin-note-rumored-features

Although it has been updated to try to do some damage control MS is still being vague about it and just because this mouth piece said it would be silly now doesn't mean that isn't what they were planning to do at the time.

I really wanted to believe that it would be like every one thought it would, but then common sense prevailed. If every Xbox One owner had unlimited, unrestricted access to ten friends entire game library the most copies of any game a publishers could expect to sell (they might sell more but couldn't count on it) would be 1 in 10 of Xbox Ones sold. Take a game like Call of Duty Ghosts which sold around 5 million (I couldn't find the exact number but I think it was closer to 10 million) or more copies on 360, if they sold say 10 million Xbox Ones, if the friends/family plan was unlimited Activision could only expect to sell 1 million copies. I seriously doubt any publisher would OK that deal.

On a side note I think MS should have named it the Xbox Flip Flop because of all the 180s.

Interesting article, but I honestly don't think that's true. I mean, even if you don't consider that the source is referred to as "disgruntled," it just logically doesn't make sense. I mean, many games already have demos of about the hypothesized length (though they're lacking in quantity on the One). Sharing a demo when demos are pretty common in the gaming world already just doesn't add up.

Also, I don't think anyone EVER thought that the sharing would be what you suggested. More-likely, it would have been like Steam, where one person could access games at a time (though some suggestions were that the primary licensee and one secondary player would be able to). In the cases of games like Call of Duty, the worst-case scenario would have been halving the sales, because when 6 people want to play together, they're not going to share a single copy. As an aside, maybe it would be that the secondary licensee needed the primary person online to play multiplayer games (so if you wanted to play CoD yourself, you had to buy it). Of course, it's all speculation now.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Then PC gamers cry because some 3rd person games don't work right with a mouse. It's too much to spend $30 on a controller for their $2000 PC.

Believe me, none of the parties in your picture are any better than the other.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Metascores are utter crap.

Riiiight.

Having said that, a friend of mine who is a huge racing game fan said this game is not all it's cracked up to be. As I never had any intention of playing it anyway, whatever, but I know he was extremely disappointed in the decisions they made with it.

 

[zerocool84]

So when the Wii U sales are low, its dead in the water and brought up every conversation.

But when the xbone has similar monthly sales, it suddenly doesn't matter?

I mean, I was always of the opinion that it didn't matter. A console provides what it provides to you as a consumer, regardless of how many other people are buying it. It is just funny to hear the change of tune recently now that the xbone isn't doing as well as the ps4.

Umm WiiU sales have only been decent for an extremely small amount of time so saying it's selling the same isn't actually the same thing. If it can consistently sell that amount then come back to us but it has not shown that for the long time it's been out.

 

[veri745]

Own a PS4, but I didn't buy it (nor would I). It's the first console I've owned since the Sega Saturn.

 

[Dumac]

Umm WiiU sales have only been decent for an extremely small amount of time so saying it's selling the same isn't actually the same thing. If it can consistently sell that amount then come back to us but it has not shown that for the long time it's been out.

Again, do sales matter or not? If the Wii U has poor sales, so does the xbox one. If it doesn't matter, then stop ripping on one and not the other.

The Wii U has sold more consoles than the Xbox One, due to being out earlier, but it is also currently selling more consoles with an increasing trend while the Xbox One has decreasing sales.

Of course things can and will change in the future, but I don't see how any Xbox owner can make fun of the Wii U sales with a straight face. It is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Lil Frier]

Riiiight.

Having said that, a friend of mine who is a huge racing game fan said this game is not all it's cracked up to be. As I never had any intention of playing it anyway, whatever, but I know he was extremely disappointed in the decisions they made with it.

I think the only thing to be disappointed about is the lack of content (particularly with the tracks). It can get pretty redundant, but all sports and racing games have that problem when played in a single-player setting.

However, for the actual gameplay, I think they did really well. The rumble trigger addition is really nice, and helped me quite a bit in figuring out how to correct some minor driving issues (recognizing a loss of traction, being more gentle with the throttle at lower speeds). The Drivatars are a really cool concept (but humans are ass clowns when they play the game, so we have a similar issue with Drivatars).

Content and the Season Pass are the only things I can complain heavily about.

 

[smackababy]

Again, do sales matter or not? If the Wii U has poor sales, so does the xbox one. If it doesn't matter, then stop ripping on one and not the other.

The Wii U has sold more consoles than the Xbox One, due to being out earlier, but it is also currently selling more consoles with an increasing trend while the Xbox One has decreasing sales.

Of course things can and will change in the future, but I don't see how any Xbox owner can make fun of the Wii U sales with a straight face. It is the pot calling the kettle black.

And the Wii U has never had any decreasing trends in it's year longer lifecycle than the Xbox One? In 5 years, if the Wii U is beating the Xbox, sure, we can say "well, maybe it wasn't as bad." The fact remains, the Xbox One, even with it's downward trend of summer, no big games releasing sales, it has still sold more units than the PS3 and Xbox 360 for the same time period. But, of course, MS is failing and the sky is falling, because the PS4 is doing better.

 

[Lil Frier]

Again, do sales matter or not? If the Wii U has poor sales, so does the xbox one. If it doesn't matter, then stop ripping on one and not the other.

The Wii U has sold more consoles than the Xbox One, due to being out earlier, but it is also currently selling more consoles with an increasing trend while the Xbox One has decreasing sales.

Of course things can and will change in the future, but I don't see how any Xbox owner can make fun of the Wii U sales with a straight face. It is the pot calling the kettle black.

It's about the sample size. We're using a one- or two-month trend of Wii U sales to say that the console's overtaking the Xbox One month-to-month. We're calling the Wii U a failure (though I think that's a harsh interpretation) because it's struggled with sales for basically every month but one of its 15 months. The Xbox One's had about two of its 9 months where it has looked really bad, and that's something to do with the games selection at the time (Titanfall's the only exclusive to write home about in 2014, so far, in my opinion).

If we get to January, and the Wii U is consistently outselling the Xbox One, or if the Xbox One continues to see sales fall into the holiday months, it's time to panic. However, comparing sales when the Wii U has arguably its biggest game out and the Xbox One has relatively little out isn't a useful point of comparison.

 

[Wingznut]

Riiiight.

You don't agree with me on User Metacritic scores? Then take a look at two of the most acclaimed sports games, FIFA14 and NBA2k14. Judging by the scores, those games suck.

 

[Drako]

You don't agree with me on User Metacritic scores? Then take a look at two of the most acclaimed sports games, FIFA14 and NBA2k14. Judging by the scores, those games suck.

User scores are useless on that site.

 

[Lil Frier]

User scores are useless on that site.

User scores suck on most every site, because they don't have legitimate validation that a reviewer is a user. It's why CoD scores have plummeted since BF3 came out (partially), which was the start of that fanboy war.

 

[exdeath]

PS4. Variety. Japanese games. Etc.

MS is trying so hard to cater to the casual sports and broshooter demographic that propped the 360 up that it's not even funny anymore.

They think dropping "Halo" bombs every other word is going to make everything better. But it's not 2000 anymore.

 

[ImpulsE69]

PS4. Variety. Japanese games. Etc.

MS is trying so hard to cater to the casual sports and broshooter demographic that propped the 360 up that it's not even funny anymore.

They think dropping "Halo" bombs every other word is going to make everything better. But it's not 2000 anymore.

Completely off topic, but anyone see the preview of the Halo series that Ridley Scott is doing?

 

[utahraptor]

Currently I only own a Sega Genesis and a Sega Dreamcast. I am 90% sure I will purchase a PS4 for Destiny.

 

[Sulaco]

@Wingznut

I'm not in some kind of small minority that has a problem with Forza. The game has a 5.5 User Metascore for a reason.

No weather effects. Less tracks. Less cars. In game currency reduced, to give incentive to buy it with real money. I personally won't be supporting such a game. It makes me sad that there are people like you that put up with it.

Riiiight.

Having said that, a friend of mine who is a huge racing game fan said this game is not all it's cracked up to be. As I never had any intention of playing it anyway, whatever, but I know he was extremely disappointed in the decisions they made with it.

Come on. Let's not be silly.

Metacritic is fine for an aggregate of professional scores or to peruse actual well-written, insightful reader reviews.
But come on. Any site that allows you to score a game 0 out of 10, and then factors scores like that into the final score, is pure and utter rubbish. You're not using it as resource, you're not adding a valued opinion, you're a fanboy raging against whatever injustice you feel has been committed, so you're going to have your say, dammit!

And of course it goes the other way, too; "10 out of 10! This game is exclusive to MY console and is so much betterer than that other console because daddy hit mommy and now I can only have one console and this game is only on it so I love it lol"

Honestly, that this even needs to be brought up is baffling. Take the aggregate of professional reviews, take forum opinions and trusted YouTube/Internet personality reviews, and arrive at a conclusion. But for God's sake taking a metacritic user score at face value is like basing life decisions on the comments at the bottom of a cable news website article.

 

[mmntech]

PS4. Variety. Japanese games. Etc.

MS is trying so hard to cater to the casual sports and broshooter demographic that propped the 360 up that it's not even funny anymore.

They think dropping "Halo" bombs every other word is going to make everything better. But it's not 2000 anymore.

The biggest threat to Xbox is that it doesn't really have any first party, platform exclusive franchises other than Halo and Forza. Third party publishers just don't want to do exclusives anymore. If Sony keeps up their momentum, it may be difficult to remain relevant. Not to mention that three out of the four dominant platforms share common hardware. So you won't get the porting issues you had in previous generations. Not to mention that PlayStation has now become the dominant development platform for a lot of studios. So it won't be getting inferior ports like the PS3 did for so long.

The Xbox One is still largely suffering from its bungled launch as well. I've never seen a more perfect example of a game company being so completely out of touch with their core market. From the unveiling that barely showed any games, issues with the always on Kinect, the higher price for lower spec'd hardware, and the now infamous fiasco over the used game ban and draconian DRM policies. Which as, I've said before, allowed Sony to define the Xbox One brand before Microsoft could.

As far as consoles go, the PS4 isn't substantially better than the Xbox One. Yeah, it's more powerful. However, Orbis OS isn't great, there are still major features missing, its predecessor still outclasses it for multimedia playback, and there are absolutely no must-have games as of yet. But Sony marketed it better, and hit their opponent while they were down.

 

[Nemesis13]

X1
Xbox 360
Ps 1,2,3,4
Psp
NES
Super Nes
N64
Sega Genesis
DreamCast
And a Gaming PC