What do Conservative parents tell their kids about Reagan?

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ivwshane

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Busted! OK, I confess that I did conveniently forget to mention that he caused the HIV epidemic. Tough to pull the wool over your eyes!

Caused? No. But he certainly didn't do anything about it. Had Obama done the same thing, the right would have went ape shit! Do you deny that?
 
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Caused? No. But he certainly didn't do anything about it. Had Obama done the same thing, the right would have went ape shit! Do you deny that?
Yep...I deny it because you're lying. Reagan certainly did do something about it. When the growing significance of the problem was realized in the mid-80s, he pressed for a ban on HIV-positive immigrants and authorized research funding in 1985...$500mm which was a hell of a lot of money at that time. In 1986, the Surgeon General published the first report on AIDS and a national AIDS education campaign was launched in 1988. In addition, brochures titled “Understanding AIDS” were mailed to every household across the country at that time. You so desperately want to demonized Reagan over this issue...yet I find it curious that you cast a blind eye towards Clinton who opposed legalizing needle exchange programs for years and years despite all the scientific evidence that it was needed immediately. He finally backed legislation to make it legal in 1998...10 years after Reagan left office!

You're a pathetic hack. Do you deny that?
 
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Blanky

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That he won the cold war, solved the iran hostage situation without having to do anything, and crushed the control tower employees by firing them all! He was a fine Republican.

The fact that he also gave amnesty to millions and sport fucked the national debt isn't likely to come into many stories about ole Ronnie, the best American ever.

He may have been a puppet to bankers (he was to the rich), as this video shows, although MM is a biased whore so I don't know if this is entirely true or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTcL6Xc_eMM
 
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rudder

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LBD.

You know the defect that shows liberals are concerned that actions of a past president could affect the nation for decades... yet if you want to hear what it sounds like to have a large number of panties get wadded up at one time, just mention something negative about obama. Well because obama is doing such a swell job and can do no wrong.
 

marincounty

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LBD.

You know the defect that shows liberals are concerned that actions of a past president could affect the nation for decades... yet if you want to hear what it sounds like to have a large number of panties get wadded up at one time, just mention something negative about obama. Well because obama is doing such a swell job and can do no wrong.

When has anyone said he can do no wrong? Nice strawman.
Obama has done a much better job than his predecessor, however.
Let's hope President Hillary is even better.
 

ivwshane

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Yep...I deny it because you're lying. Reagan certainly did do something about it. When the growing significance of the problem was realized in the mid-80s, he pressed for a ban on HIV-positive immigrants and authorized research funding in 1985...$500mm which was a hell of a lot of money at that time. In 1986, the Surgeon General published the first report on AIDS and a national AIDS education campaign was launched in 1988. In addition, brochures titled “Understanding AIDS” were mailed to every household across the country at that time. You so desperately want to demonized Reagan over this issue...yet I find it curious that you cast a blind eye towards Clinton who opposed legalizing needle exchange programs for years and years despite all the scientific evidence that it was needed immediately. He finally backed legislation to make it legal in 1998...10 years after Reagan left office!

You're a pathetic hack. Do you deny that?


Lol, I was putting reagan in the same context as Obama, I guess you missed that part, in that when Ebola broke out we had three cases and obama addressed it with in months and the right was going ape shit about it, reagan on the other hand didn't addressed aids until years later after 4000+ cases of the disease had been diagnosed.

http://www.factlv.org/timeline.htm

You can shove your other straw man arguments where you pull your head from, your ass! If you'd like to create a thread about Clinton then by all means do so. Idiot
 

ivwshane

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When has anyone said he can do no wrong? Nice strawman.
Obama has done a much better job than his predecessor, however.
Let's hope President Hillary is even better.

You must forgive those that have CBD, their gut instinct is to include a straw man with most arguments they make.
 

unixwizzard

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Reagan had his faults...but damn! That's insane!

Now you're starting to see what the far left progressive mindset is all about.. a big old bowl of crazy!

I think this is just an extension of their Bush Derangement Syndrome.. First the Bushes, now it's Reagan, pretty soon they'll be whining about Ford and Nixon...
 

MovingTarget

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What do they tell their kids? Not much:
'Murica!
Freedom!
...something about tearing down a wall! That too!
If you are looking at in depth policy discussions about what Reagan really did, you won't find it beyond the usual empty platitudes. What sinks in with the kids is the admiration that their older relatives have for him, regardless of it being justified in the long run.
 
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Lol, I was putting reagan in the same context as Obama, I guess you missed that part, in that when Ebola broke out we had three cases and obama addressed it with in months and the right was going ape shit about it, reagan on the other hand didn't addressed aids until years later after 4000+ cases of the disease had been diagnosed.

http://www.factlv.org/timeline.htm
You can shove your other straw man arguments where you pull your head from, your ass! If you'd like to create a thread about Clinton then by all means do so. Idiot
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I ignored that part because it was totally retarded. But I'll tell what's hard to ignore...your a pathetic idiot and a liar...now that's really hard to ignore! But if you want to create a thread about Obama's awesomeness, then by all means do so. Last time I checked...this thread was about Reagan.
 
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Meghan54

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Yep...I deny it because you're lying. Reagan certainly did do something about it. When the growing significance of the problem was realized in the mid-80s, he pressed for a ban on HIV-positive immigrants and authorized research funding in 1985...$500mm which was a hell of a lot of money at that time. In 1986, the Surgeon General published the first report on AIDS and a national AIDS education campaign was launched in 1988. In addition, brochures titled “Understanding AIDS” were mailed to every household across the country at that time. You so desperately want to demonized Reagan over this issue...yet I find it curious that you cast a blind eye towards Clinton who opposed legalizing needle exchange programs for years and years despite all the scientific evidence that it was needed immediately. He finally backed legislation to make it legal in 1998...10 years after Reagan left office!

You're a pathetic hack. Do you deny that?


In reference to the bolded part above.....where? When?

This is what I remember as the timeline for funding:

1982--September. Reps. Henry Waxman and Phillip Burton introduce legislation to allocate $5 million to CDC for surveillance and $10 million to the National Institutes of Health for AIDS research.


1983--May. Congress passes the first bill that includes funding specifically targeted for AIDS research and treatment—$12 million for agencies within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.


December 6, a congressional subcommittee releases The Federal Response to AIDS, a report criticizing the U.S. Government for failure to invest sufficient funding in AIDS surveillance and research.


1985--The U.S. Congress allocates $70 million for AIDS research.

April 15-17, the U.S. HHS and the WHO host the first International AIDS Conference in Atlanta, Georgia, 5 months before Reagan mentioned AIDS for the first time.

I have yet to find any link or source citing your assertion that Reagan did anything for AIDS research other than much of nothing until 1985, when he first mentioned the disease in pubic.

Reagan's record on AIDS is abysmal, to say the least.

Consider these jewels:

Oct. 15, 1982, Larry Speakes, Pres. Reagan's press secretary, jokes about AIDS during press briefing. That speaks volumes about that administration's views on AIDS.

Reagan's communications director Pat Buchanan argued that AIDS is "nature's revenge on gay men."

And let's not forget the pronouncement from the Rev. Jerry Falwell, founder of the Moral Majority PAC, "AIDS is the wrath of God upon homosexuals." All of those comments demonstrate the conservative beliefs on this subject.
 

ivwshane

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I ignored that part because it was totally retarded. But I'll tell what's hard to ignore...your a pathetic idiot and a liar...now that's really hard to ignore! But if you want to create a thread about Obama's awesomeness, then by all means do so. Last time I checked...this thread was about Reagan.

How convenient that you ignored the part you didn't want to hear, par for the course for you though.

Lol! Another straw man by your dumbass. I gave no praise to obama other than to reference how he handled a similar situation and was lauded by the right.

I hope your daughter didn't get her intelligence from you, otherwise I feel sorry for the people she "helps".
 

Zorkorist

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All of those comments demonstrate the conservative beliefs on this subject.

No.

All of those comments demonstrate societies beliefs on the subject.

Just you wait till you get by the "intellectuals" and down to the coarseness that is everyday America.

-John
 
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How convenient that you ignored the part you didn't want to hear, par for the course for you though.

Lol! Another straw man by your dumbass. I gave no praise to obama other than to reference how he handled a similar situation and was lauded by the right.

I hope your daughter didn't get her intelligence from you, otherwise I feel sorry for the people she "helps".
Now you want to bring my daughter into this? What kind of subhuman creature are you? You're a scumbag and will always be a pathetic scumbag. The true irony here is that you're too fucking stupid to realize it.

EDIT: I'm done with you. I hate putting people on ignore, but this was the last straw for me. I've been posting here nearly 10 years...you get the honor of being #3. Peace.
 
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In reference to the bolded part above.....where? When?

This is what I remember as the timeline for funding:

1982--September. Reps. Henry Waxman and Phillip Burton introduce legislation to allocate $5 million to CDC for surveillance and $10 million to the National Institutes of Health for AIDS research.


1983--May. Congress passes the first bill that includes funding specifically targeted for AIDS research and treatment—$12 million for agencies within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.


December 6, a congressional subcommittee releases The Federal Response to AIDS, a report criticizing the U.S. Government for failure to invest sufficient funding in AIDS surveillance and research.


1985--The U.S. Congress allocates $70 million for AIDS research.

April 15-17, the U.S. HHS and the WHO host the first International AIDS Conference in Atlanta, Georgia, 5 months before Reagan mentioned AIDS for the first time.

I have yet to find any link or source citing your assertion that Reagan did anything for AIDS research other than much of nothing until 1985, when he first mentioned the disease in pubic.

Reagan's record on AIDS is abysmal, to say the least.

Consider these jewels:

Oct. 15, 1982, Larry Speakes, Pres. Reagan's press secretary, jokes about AIDS during press briefing. That speaks volumes about that administration's views on AIDS.

Reagan's communications director Pat Buchanan argued that AIDS is "nature's revenge on gay men."

And let's not forget the pronouncement from the Rev. Jerry Falwell, founder of the Moral Majority PAC, "AIDS is the wrath of God upon homosexuals." All of those comments demonstrate the conservative beliefs on this subject.
If I show you that Reagan recommended $500mm in AIDS research will you admit that you're attempting to revise history that he somehow didn't care?
 
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Now you're starting to see what the far left progressive mindset is all about.. a big old bowl of crazy!

I think this is just an extension of their Bush Derangement Syndrome.. First the Bushes, now it's Reagan, pretty soon they'll be whining about Ford and Nixon...
Crazy is an understatement!
 

ivwshane

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If I show you that Reagan recommended $500mm in AIDS research will you admit that you're attempting to revise history that he somehow didn't care?

Oh he recommended now? How about you set the goal posts first so we know exactly what your point is and exactly what you are saying. You have an extremely bad habit of changing what it is that you are talking about.

Next I'd like you to post your evidence but I caution you about the sources you use as more often than not, you either fail at reading comprehension or you fall hook line and sinker for highly biased political BS.

Here's my source that says you are full of shit and like your other right wing idiots you fail at actual history and instead gobble up talking points like a prostitute does the "D" at a frat house.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1985/S...Over-AIDS/id-f985ab6ba6d6fc4ff37ebb0ba0aa657b

From 1985

At his news conference Tuesday night, Reagan, responding to reporters' questions, said more than $500 million had been spent to try to find ways of combatting AIDS, a fatal virus which attacks the body's ability to fight disease.
But Studds said Reagan's requests to Congress for fiscal years 1982 through 1986 were far less than that amount, and the money was appropriated only because Congress went beyond administration requests.
''The administration's request for the five fiscal years in question, '82, '83, '84, '85 and '86, adds up to $213.5 million,'' Studds said. ''The way I read that, it's less than 'over half a billion' by a substantial amount.''
Studds said the administration's original fiscal year 1986 request was for $85.6 million, less than the $97.4 million Congress actually appropriated last year for AIDs research.
After Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., pressured the administration, Studds said, that request was increased to $126 million.
Congress likely will approve more than that, Studds said. One subcommittee in the House has authorized a $196 million spending level, and if it is approved, Congress will have provided $389 million over those same five years, he noted.


Gobble gobble!
 

Meghan54

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If I show you that Reagan recommended $500mm in AIDS research will you admit that you're attempting to revise history that he somehow didn't care?

Doc Savage Fan said:
...authorized research funding in 1985...$500mm


Hmmmm.....recommended, authorized. Vastly different concepts and meanings.

Reagan didn't care. Period.

If he did, where was the public "correction" for the joke Larry Speakes made at a press conference at the expense of those with AIDS? Where was Reagan's distancing himself from Rev. Jerry Falwell after Falwell's comment that AIDS is what gays deserve? Why wasn't Buchanan fired from his job immediately after his comment?
 

Meghan54

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All of those comments demonstrate the conservative beliefs on this subject.

No.

All of those comments demonstrate societies beliefs on the subject.

Just you wait till you get by the "intellectuals" and down to the coarseness that is everyday America.

-John


Sorry, but the comments I described in my post demonstrates exactly what the conservative thinking was and is.

I grew up in a conservative region and still live here today, and the sentiments are still darned near as hostile as they were decades ago.

Has nothing to do with intellectuals or everyday Americans. It has everything to do with basic human compassion, something conservatives seem to lack in some areas and have lacked for over a century.

And why is it always the "intellectuals" that are the enemy of the conservative? Is education Kryptonite to conservative thought?

And I must laugh at the conservatives using intellectuals and elite as words to paint thinkers in a negative connotation, as if being educated and thinking is something wrong. An irony--Conservatives bleat about intellectuals being misguided and bad, yet George Will, someone who was one of the foremost conservative "thinkers" for many, many years, was an elite and an intellectual. But I guess that can be forgiven since Will was conservative.
 
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Meghan54

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If I show you that Reagan recommended $500mm in AIDS research will you admit that you're attempting to revise history that he somehow didn't care?


And you didn't even bother to do that, did you? Is it because you cannot?

And speak to other Reagan legacies.....tripling of the national debt, increasing the size of the federal govt. by over 250K civilian employees, getting the country to swallow his Trickle Down/Voodoo Economics plan (described as such by George H. Bush...his VP.)
 
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And you didn't even bother to do that, did you? Is it because you cannot?

And speak to other Reagan legacies.....tripling of the national debt, increasing the size of the federal govt. by over 250K civilian employees, getting the country to swallow his Trickle Down/Voodoo Economics plan (described as such by George H. Bush...his VP.)
I asked you a question.

If I show you that Reagan recommended $500mm in AIDS research will you admit that you're attempting to revise history that he somehow didn't care?

Anyway, here's the HHS funding for HIV/AIDS for every budget approved by Reagan along with the percentage increase over the prior year funding level. The $500mm number previously cited was for FY1987 alone. The total amount of spending increased dramatically during his administration as the problem escalated and funding totaled over $3.2B which was huge money in those days.

FY1982 5,555,000 (2,678%)
FY1983 28,736,000 (417%)
FY1984 61,460,000 (114%)
FY1985 108,618,000 (77%)
FY1986 233,793,000 (115%)
FY1987 502,455,000 (115%)
FY1988 962,018,000 (94%)
FY1989 1,304,012,000 (36%)
Total 3,206,647,000

(See Table 2 on Page 9)
http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/crsreports/crsdocuments/RL3073103232005.pdf

 
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rudeguy

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Obama grew the size of the federal debt tremendously. Obama said running up the debt was unpatriotic. But federal spending “ballooned” under Obama. He promised shovel ready jobs in return for massive spending but then he admitted the jobs were not shovel ready. He promised healthcare that would allow you to keep your doctor and your plan but save the average American family $2500. None of those were true. He promised illegal aliens would not get the new healthcare but now he's granting them citizenship which will allow them to get it.

Do Liberal parents tell their kids that Obama grew the size of the federal government tremendously and ran up debt that even their children won't be able to pay back or are those some of the details they'd rather leave out?
 

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Reagan was America's Putin, which is why the modern GOP creams their collective jeans every time Vlad hops on a horse.
 
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