What do Conservative parents tell their kids about Reagan?

[ivwshane]

So Reagan must really have loved black people more than others since he tried so hard to punish the people hooking them on such an addictive and destructive drug.

If you really believe your nonsense, I'm curious how much you hate Obama and the rest of the democrats for still having a large disparity in sentencing between the two different drugs -- all while preying on people's stupidity by calling the 2010 law a "Fair Sentencing Act"

To answer the ops question: I'll downplay Iran Contra and talk up his bringing the country together and the reduction in top tax rates. And I might throw something in about turning around Democrat Jimmy Carter's recession.

He brought the country together? Wow what an amazing feat! Can you quantify that? Would it be by his amazing poll numbers? You know who else brought the country together? George bush! So exactly what does bringing the country together even mean?

Yeah he did bring the country out of a recession, do you know how? By adhering to those sacred conservative values of raising taxes and big government spending! Oh and yeah! He reduced the top tax rate for a tax bracket you will never be in!

Now I know why the right always calls obama, "messiah", it's because if they think reagan is a saint then obama must be a god!

Lol!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

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Not sure if you're quoting me or not...but in case you missed it...I gave up on you.

 

[Spungo]

Yeah he did bring the country out of a recession

Actually no he didn't. The fed did that. How? By reversing the fed policies that caused the recession in the first place.

Notice how the interest rates skyrocket during Carter's term. What was the result of that? Massive recession. My parents bought their house in 1980 for the equivalent of about 2 year salary. People don't remember how severe that recession was. The fed lowers interest rates so asset prices start rising, and people give the credit to Reagan. It's laughable.

While we're looking at this fed chart, I want you to look at 2000 and 2007, which are the dot com crash and the real estate crash. What did the fed do in 2000? They raised rates to initiate a crash. What did they do in 2007? Rates peaked again and it crashed the market. It's almost like there's some kind of correlation between interest rates and intentional crashing of the market. I wonder if anyone else has noticed this before.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/stocks/09/how-interest-rates-affect-markets.asp

The lower the interest rate, the more willing people are to borrow money to make big purchases, such as houses or cars. When consumers pay less in interest, this gives them more money to spend, which can create a ripple effect of increased spending throughout the economy.
...
Conversely, higher interest rates mean that consumers don't have as much disposable income and must cut back on spending. When higher interest rates are coupled with increased lending standards, banks make fewer loans. This affects not only consumers, but also businesses and farmers, who cut back on spending for new equipment, thus slowing productivity or reducing the number of employees.

Interesting.

 

[Jaepheth]

They probably describe her as a lost wayward sinner if they're feeling generous, and an evil temptress or seductress if they're not; and that's IF they broach the subject at all...

Wait...

We're talking about Faye, right?

 

[Meghan54]

I asked you a question.

If I show you that Reagan recommended $500mm in AIDS research will you admit that you're attempting to revise history that he somehow didn't care?

Anyway, here's the HHS funding for HIV/AIDS for every budget approved by Reagan along with the percentage increase over the prior year funding level. The $500mm number previously cited was for FY1987 alone. The total amount of spending increased dramatically during his administration as the problem escalated and funding totaled over $3.2B which was huge money in those days.

FY1982 5,555,000 (2,678%)
FY1983 28,736,000 (417%)
FY1984 61,460,000 (114%)
FY1985 108,618,000 (77%)
FY1986 233,793,000 (115%)
FY1987 502,455,000 (115%)
FY1988 962,018,000 (94%)
FY1989 1,304,012,000 (36%)
Total 3,206,647,000

(See Table 2 on Page 9)
http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/crsreports/crsdocuments/RL3073103232005.pdf

Mkay.....where's the budget requests from Regan's administration? That's what you should be showing, not what Congress ultimately authorized.

And you have yet to answer why the Reagan administration tolerated active and public homophobic comments from members of its administration and leader of one of its PAC's.

Did Reagan fire Speakes after his AIDS joke onstage during a press briefing? Did Reagan fire Buchanan after his comment? Did the Repub. party rebuke Falwell after his homophobic commentary?

That's what shows the soul of the Repub. party.

So, I guess Reagan didn't have to make a single statement about AIDS, his mouthpieces were doing a fine job representing what the administration really thought.

 

[Meghan54]

How did Reagan handcuff the CDC? Be specific.

Reagan first mentioned AIDS publicly in 1985...years before the end of his term. It was in response to a question at a press conference on 9/17/85. On 2/5/86, he publicly stated “One of our highest public health priorities is going to be continuing to find a cure for AIDS.” Therefore your statement that he didn't publicly mention it until the last year of his presidency is a lie.

In early 1986 when he stated it was "one of our highest public health priorities" he also immediately requested the Surgeon General to prepare a major report on the disease. He then had AIDS awareness brochures sent to every household in this country and essentially doubled funding every consecutive year of his 8-year presidency to fight AIDS. That's ignoring?

One thing I think a lot of people miss is that the scope and severity of this disease took a while to recognize. The chart below gives some relevant perspective on this point. People in the U.S. really didn't start going "Oh shit" until about 1985 and it took the press until 9/17/85 to ask him their first question on this subject.

I find the bolded section interesting as Dr. Koop has a different take on that.

Dr. C. Everett Koop, Reagan's surgeon general, has said that because of "intradepartmental politics" he was cut out of all AIDS discussions for the first five years of the Reagan administration. The reason, he explained, was "because transmission of AIDS was understood to be primarily in the homosexual population and in those who abused intravenous drugs." The president's advisers, Koop said, "took the stand, 'They are only getting what they justly deserve.' "

 

[Jhhnn]

Reagan trades arms for hostages <-- Evil, horrible human being
Obama trades terrorists for a deserter <-- Awesome

Straight for false equivalency.

Obama parked 5 Taliban prisoners of war (former govt officials) in Qatar to retrieve an American soldier held in captivity under primitive & brutal conditions.

The Taliban 5 were actually just that, political prisoners of war like the Japanese & German officials held in the wake of WW2. Back then, they were tried or released, imprisoned or executed on the basis of charges, evidence & witnesses. That was very much in keeping with traditional American values of Justice & fair play. Today, of course, just slap a terrorist label on 'em and every right wing knuckehead in America will let you do whatever you want with 'em.

Bergdahl? A guy who didn't have his shit together well enough to understand he didn't belong in the Army, who didn't have their shit together well enough to reject him after he'd washed out of Coast Guard basic training. In the Army, he's just another kind of fuckup. I'm sure he had plenty of time to think about that in Taliban captivity.

The cruelty in politicizing his situation is shameful.

 

[master_shake_]

This message is hidden because ivwshane is on your ignore list.

Not sure if you're quoting me or not...but in case you missed it...I gave up on you.

if you can't beat them with wit ignore them?

 

[glenn1]

Dude has been out of office for 25 years and still makes progressives lose their minds when talking about him.

 

[ivwshane]

Dude has been out of office for 25 years and still makes progressives lose their minds when talking about him.

If it weren't for the left trying to keep history factual the right would have already re written it! Sorry you don't like being called out on your bullshit

 

[Jhhnn]

If it weren't for the left trying to keep history factual the right would have already re written it! Sorry you don't like being called out on your bullshit

Ronnie worship is religion to the right wing. Might as well call the virgin Mary a slut for conceiving a child out of wedlock as to question the sanctity of the Reagan myth.

 

[HomerJS]

Love that "wink wink" Reagan gave us with that speech in Philadelphia Mississippi

 

[davmat787]

Saying there was a crack epidemic is extremely misleading and you know it. The 1980s had a cocaine problem. It's true that black communities saw increased cocaine use. You know which other communities saw increased cocaine use? All of them. White people used more cocaine. Hispanic people used more cocaine. Asian people used more cocaine. Aliens from other planets used more cocaine. Cocaine was everywhere. The government specifically targeted drug dealers in black communities by making crack carry much longer prison terms than regular cocaine. If you're selling $100 worth of normal cocaine to white people, you get 5 years in jail. If you're selling $100 worth of crack to black people, you get life in jail. Naturally, drug dealers in white communities tend to be white, and drug dealers in black communities tend to be black. The whole point these lopsided laws was to throw black people in jail. There is absolutely no scientific basis for making cocaine as a salt and cocaine as a base carry different prison terms. None. They have the exact same effects in the brain. They're both extremely addictive. They come from the same plant, sold by the same drug cartel. They have the exact same chemical structure. The only difference is that one has a lower boiling point.

Suppose there was a law saying beer was illegal. Making crack and regular coke have different prison sentences is like giving different prison sentences for selling frozen beer versus selling liquid beer. White people prefer the frozen beer and black people prefer the liquid beer. By sheer coincidence, the one preferred by black people is 10x more illegal. I'm sure racism was not the motivating factor for such a distinction...... even though drug laws and racism historically go hand in hand.

The reason crack cocaine was so despised by communities and law enforcement was due to its cheap price and highly addictive nature. With crack people could buy $5 dollar rocks, and they weren't doing that with regular cocaine. I am pretty sure this is why it devastated so many low income and poverty stricken communities.

So the laws had to be adjusted when a $5 piece of crack is much more devastating to society than $5 of regular coke.

 

[Moonbeam]

I have a sword that says those killed by it will rest in pieces.

 

[Ichinisan]

I found a CD at my local Goodwill thrift store. "Mourning in America" from the Reagan memorial service. It has some very moving speeches and anecdotes. There will never be another president like him. There will never be another man like him.

I just tried to find it online to link it here. Instead, I found the entire, unedited televised funeral on YouTube. The look on Nancy's face made me extremely

 

[Jhhnn]

He was a leader who united a nation during a horrific double dip recession at the height of the Cold War. They were dark, dark days. He also negotiated and compromised in order to accomplish many bipartisan solutions. And despite the 'trickle down' meme, the economic policies initiated under his administration led us out of severe recession and into the Great Moderation. He was not perfect for sure, but he definitely had many positive attributes and accomplishments.

Anybody can look good economically while tripling the national debt on military spending.

His greatest achievement was when he overruled his Neocon advisers & accepted Gorbachev's Reykjavik nuclear disarmament initiative.

 

[MongGrel]

I found a CD at my local Goodwill thrift store. "Mourning in America" from the Reagan memorial service. It has some very moving speeches and anecdotes. There will never be another president like him. There will never be another man like him.

I just tried to find it online to link it here. Instead, I found the entire, unedited televised funeral on YouTube. The look on Nancy's face made me extremely

Darwin's Doubt (feat. Ronald Reagan, Charlton Heston and those dirty apes!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwJG35ry6Qc

 

[Spungo]

The reason crack cocaine was so despised by communities and law enforcement was due to its cheap price and highly addictive nature. With crack people could buy $5 dollar rocks, and they weren't doing that with regular cocaine. I am pretty sure this is why it devastated so many low income and poverty stricken communities.

So the laws had to be adjusted when a $5 piece of crack is much more devastating to society than $5 of regular coke.

Crack is actually a watered down form of cocaine. You make crack by adding baking soda to regular cocaine. $100 of crack contains less cocaine than $100 of regular cocaine. Did you think crack dealers were giving poor people a super awesome deal by selling them crack? Hell no. Crack dealers are making crack because it's a scam just like every other scam pulled on poor people. Crack is the payday loan of the drug world. You pay more, you get less.
That metaphor is surprisingly apt. Law makers talk a lot about making payday loans illegal and throwing those people in jail, but they never talk about making credit cards illegal or throwing bankers in jail.

There's just no way to spin this to make the law logical. It's like getting 5 years in jail for selling expensive high purity vodka but getting 30 years in jail for selling low purity beer that actually contains less alcohol than the vodka. Then the judge handing down the sentence says the jail term is longer because the beer destroys communities more. wtf? No it doesn't. Poor people drink beer because it's cheap. The drug itself is not worse. Rich ass white dudes drinking vodka and doing lines of coke are consuming the same drugs. The only difference is that they paid more, and that somehow makes it less of a crime.

 

[unixwizzard]

Crack is actually a watered down form of cocaine. You make crack by adding baking soda to regular cocaine. $100 of crack contains less cocaine than $100 of regular cocaine.

No actually crack is what used to be called "freebase".. freebase is a process where the cocaine base is freed from the hydrochloride salt..

in making crack, the baking soda along with heat is used to remove the hcl salt from the base.. this process makes it smokable because the base has a lower ignition point than regular cocaine hcl..

while there is some soda left, it is minimal as most of it sinks to the bottom (base cocaine floats).. a more efficient method is to use Diethly Ether, this results in a purer base, however DE is a dangerous and volatile substance so the baking soda method became the popular one.

The "watered" down product is actually the powdered cocaine found on the streets.. unless you have a really good connection close to the source, the powder you buy on the street corner has likely been stepped on 4 or more times.

 

[RickBean]

They just don't say anything about him, they also delete all information from computers, block access to internet and wrest pages with description of Reaganomics from books. They also teach their kids in home, not in school, lol

 

[Londo_Jowo]

They also teach their kids in home, not in school, lol

Hmmmmm Are you trying to tell us something? Were you home schooled?

 

[Greenman]

He committed treason because he loved America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

He intentionally caused an HIV and hepatitis epidemic by forcing drug users to share needles.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10148824

His deep hatred of black people led to the creation of laws that specifically target black communities. The minimum jail time for possessing crack cocaine (common in black communities) is much higher than the minimum jail time for possessing regular cocaine (common in white communities).

He created the modern prison state:

He managed to surpass a comic book level of evil. Imagine you're reading a Batman comic where the Joker had a plot to spread HIV, destroy black communities, and throw hundreds of thousands of Americans in jail for decades at a time. You would think it's silly. How the hell would the Joker pull off something that big? That's a good question. Reagan pulled it off because he's smarter and more dedicated than the Joker.

The spin in this post could power a windmill for five hundred years. The stupidity is near boundless. I understand that you don't actually consider the positions you take, nor the views you hold, but you do yourself a disservice by creating the contrived logic presented here.

To thine own self be true.

 

[CitizenKain]

 

[feralkid]

I found a CD at my local Goodwill thrift store. "Mourning in America" from the Reagan memorial service. It has some very moving speeches and anecdotes. There will never be another president like him. There will never be another man like him.

Thank God.

 

[Linux23]

lmfao.