What do you guys think of pay to use lanes on major freeways??

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John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
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They should expand the rail system in California. Lived in Riverside and know all about the traffic nightmare. Takes you about 4 hours to go 25 miles. They don't call it the freeway capital of the world for nothing.

Perhaps self-driving cars will rid the traffic accidents and shit that fuck a commute up.
 

SSSnail

Lifer
Nov 29, 2006
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Oh right, because if I don't have the hundred of billion of dollars to build the roads myself, then I can't complain.

Great logic.

Go to bed dude, you're drunk.

Wake up tomorrow and explain the other bullshit part of your post about Fastrak users and privileged.
 

Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Oh right, because if I don't have the hundred of billion of dollars to build the roads myself, then I can't complain.
I may be drunk, but I know that I did not say anything resembling the above.

Are you drunk, too?

Great logic.

Go to bed dude, you're drunk.

Wake up tomorrow and explain the other bullshit part of your post about Fastrak users and privileged.

Maybe try reading slower.
 

SSSnail

Lifer
Nov 29, 2006
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The problem with your idea of "did you pay your fair share?" argument is that you don't even know what the hell it is. If you can tell me the exact cost, then I'll do the math, otherwise I trust that the government has already done the math when they imposed the different tariffs and fees to keep the infrastructure afloat. Also, the subsequent increases to keep whatever else paid. The problem I have is that they're addicted to keep raising the fees and taxes when they need money. Another problem I have is people like you agreeing to it.

So, if you can't tell me what I should be paying, in your own words, STFU.
 

dingster1

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Mar 25, 2004
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There's a new one in MD, and it's a load of shit. It doesn't get much traffic for the millions spent putting it in. They should have kept saving their pennies, and put a train in the median. That would actually reduce congestion and pollution, and is a real solution to the problem.



If you are speaking of the ICC, traffic has picked up quite a bit in recent months. I use it constantly from Germantown to PG
 

SSSnail

Lifer
Nov 29, 2006
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You know what Cerpin Taxt, since you keep harping on about numbers, I went and looked some up.

There are about 28,864,646 cars registered in California with the average registration fees of $200. That's $5,736,929,200 billions a year.

Then, there are about 14.5 billion gallons of gasoline consumed on average per year, so that's about $8,557,900,000 billions a year in taxes.

So, that's $14,294,829,200 a year on revenues to support the road infrastructure and peripherals. Wait, let me take out Uncle Sam's take of $.184 cents per gallon so that leaves California with $11,626,829,200 billions a year for the roads.

I haven't counted the bridge tolls, or other tolls, or ticket fees, other taxes, ordinances, etc...

You're right, they need more money.
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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How would you fix the traffic issue? It's not an easy problem to deal with.

Is it possible to add a second tier of highway (a bridgeway)? May not be able to do it here with the expressways since there are perpendicular bridges over nearly every exit (see pic). It certainly wouldn't be aesthetically pleasing to neighborhoods but it's a solution to the traffic.

 
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Elganja

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May 21, 2007
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i used paid lanes all the time where I live... the main highways near me, are all toll roads (there are no "free" lanes)

i'd prefer they have free lanes to use in conjunction with the paid lanes (for late at night, no traffic), but at this point I've come to grips that i pay about 200-300 bucks a month just in tolls
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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If you are speaking of the ICC, traffic has picked up quite a bit in recent months. I use it constantly from Germantown to PG

I95. They have it setup as a bypass for the 695 clusterfuck; maybe 10 miles long. I think it costs $1.40, but I'm not sure. I don't use that, or any electronic payment for tolls.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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If you are speaking of the ICC, traffic has picked up quite a bit in recent months. I use it constantly from Germantown to PG

i take the ICC to work but i go in really early. i have gone in at "normal" times and definitely noticed that traffic is a lot heavier than it used to be. it still moves quickly but you have more idiots going 65 in the left lane causing congestion.

i'm not going very far though, georgia to 29.
 

Linflas

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Jan 30, 2001
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I refuse to pay a monthly fee for the transponder. If I could just pay a deposit for the transponder and load it with some money so it is available when I need it I would use them but I think it is ridiculous to charge a monthly fee over and above the toll itself. There are ways to get around the fee by getting the transponder from a state like Delaware that don't impose a monthly fee but I am not in a situation where I would use the lanes enough to make that worth the bother.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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maybe that is a VA thing. i don't pay any monthly fee for the ez pass transponder in md.
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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I refuse to pay a monthly fee for the transponder. If I could just pay a deposit for the transponder and load it with some money so it is available when I need it I would use them but I think it is ridiculous to charge a monthly fee over and above the toll itself. There are ways to get around the fee by getting the transponder from a state like Delaware that don't impose a monthly fee but I am not in a situation where I would use the lanes enough to make that worth the bother.

I'm in NY and got the EZ Pass from MassPike (MA) for free instead of paying the $1/mo. here. It was easy and we only use it a few times a year.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Who fucking knows. Pensions? More ridiculous social programs? Handouts? We don't have revenue problems, we have spending problems.

Shit, I don't know, but all I know is that they keep raising taxes and fees, on top of taxes and fees, and keep inventing new ways to money grab while some brain dead citizens just bend over and take it. Some even vote for it every freaking time they put some dumb shits on the ballot.

I'm fairly certain that under CA state law toll revenue cannot be used to fund anything other than transportation projects.

Though that said the wisdom of how and where that money is spend is certainly open to question....looking at you, Eastern span Bay Bridge replacement project.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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You know what Cerpin Taxt, since you keep harping on about numbers, I went and looked some up.

There are about 28,864,646 cars registered in California with the average registration fees of $200. That's $5,736,929,200 billions a year.

Then, there are about 14.5 billion gallons of gasoline consumed on average per year, so that's about $8,557,900,000 billions a year in taxes.

So, that's $14,294,829,200 a year on revenues to support the road infrastructure and peripherals. Wait, let me take out Uncle Sam's take of $.184 cents per gallon so that leaves California with $11,626,829,200 billions a year for the roads.

I haven't counted the bridge tolls, or other tolls, or ticket fees, other taxes, ordinances, etc...

You're right, they need more money.

We have to pay for that high speed rail between LA and Sacramento somehow.
 

Elganja

Platinum Member
May 21, 2007
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maybe that is a VA thing. i don't pay any monthly fee for the ez pass transponder in md.

there are no fees in VA anymore... at one point they did, but they got rid of the fee a while ago

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Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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The problem with your idea of "did you pay your fair share?" argument is that you don't even know what the hell it is.
No, the problem here is that you can't seem to read English.

If you can tell me the exact cost, then I'll do the math, otherwise I trust that the government has already done the math when they imposed the different tariffs and fees to keep the infrastructure afloat. Also, the subsequent increases to keep whatever else paid. The problem I have is that they're addicted to keep raising the fees and taxes when they need money. Another problem I have is people like you agreeing to it.

So, if you can't tell me what I should be paying, in your own words, STFU.

My point is that you (actually some other poster earlier in the thread) regards money paid out by the government as money out of your pocket, but does not regard money taken in by the government as money into your pocket. Why are government coffers "yours" only when they spend?
 

child of wonder

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Aug 31, 2006
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I oppose the principal of using tax payer money to build lanes that require extra money to traverse. However, I use the lanes from time to time if I'm late for an important client meeting.

C'est la vie
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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This is where your selfishness is overshadowing your liberululzness.

You see, when HOV lanes were originally introduced, they're to encourage people to carpool, thereby reduce traffic and pollution. Now, it's all about the revenues; who gives a shit if the unwashed masses sit in traffic longer.

But, since you don't give a shit about any of that, and just as hypocritical as the people that started charging people to use the HOV lane, even the people with legitimate carpooling needs (Fastrak equipment cost money, and you have to have a deposit in your account). You're the epitome of ass backwards selfish liberal that just made enough money to become a republican, but you still want to impose your liberululistic ideas on others. Fuck the other guys, it's all me!

I don't even know who you are anymore man, you're losing it.

So, you're angry with me for my willingness to pay to use toll roads... Got it.
 

Staples

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Oct 28, 2001
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As long as the pay lanes are not as slow as the free lanes.
Here in the SF Bay Area, the HOV lanes are usually not much faster than the free lanes because since they allow all the electric vehicles in them (there are tons of them).
 

Phanuel

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Apr 25, 2008
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As long as I can continue to use them on a motorcycle while not having to pay... fine by me.
 

ElFenix

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Mar 20, 2000
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It's free for people car pooling. I'm fine with government subsidizing that and I have done the carpool thing when it is convenient for me. I'm pretty flexible and so is my job but finding people who live nearby and have the same hours (and work at the same company) has not always been easy.

It is nice to be able to take advantage of the HOV lanes when I'm on the motorcycle. I think it is safer for motorcyclists to be moving with the flow of traffic than filtering through gridlock or sitting in stop and go traffic.

not a fan of letting general traffic into bus lanes (which is how HOV lanes started here). inevitably they got bogged down and the bus goes as slow as everyone else (the bus needs to go faster than everyone else on the highway because once it reaches downtown it goes much slower than everyone else). it was really bad back when the bus/HOV lane was 1 lane in the middle of the highway with concrete barriers on both sides.

also there's problems with the tolls not being high enough to keep the speeds up in certain segments (i know, that's our specific implementation here that sucks, it takes an act of the county commissioners to change the toll schedule). there's also people jumping over at the last second to go through the toll lane rather than the HOV.

don't get me wrong, i have a toll tag and take the toll road/lanes when it makes sense (i'm not paying $5 to shave 5 minutes off driving). but it's pretty pathetic that the state legislature can't get its head out of its ass long enough to actually fund needed road projects. which is one of the few things that people even in this state agree are a state responsibility.
 

bruceb

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Aug 20, 2004
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I got tricked into the Maryland express lanes on Jan 20 at 8:30PM (in a snowstorm) and did not make any better time than the local lanes. And then I found out the Toll was like $18 total for less than a 10 Miles Stretch of road. Road was not well cleared either with cars spinning out all over the place. Paying if you really need to save a lot of time and you can actually save it is one thing. In Maryland, it just gouging.

Yes.NY and NJ E-Z Pass do charge a $1.00 Monthly Fee ... did not know Virginia did not charge one.
May want to switch to VA E-Z Pass as I no longer use the NJ or NY Bridges so I lose nothing by switching over.
 
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SSSnail

Lifer
Nov 29, 2006
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No, the problem here is that you can't seem to read English.



My point is that you (actually some other poster earlier in the thread) regards money paid out by the government as money out of your pocket, but does not regard money taken in by the government as money into your pocket. Why are government coffers "yours" only when they spend?
So where does the government get its coffer from? Maybe because their coffer, or credits established are contributed by the people through taxes and such, or because of the people? Chicken, egg? You tend to think the government can do whatever the hell they want. And with more people like you supporting them, it's setting up to be that way.

We had a tea party a long time ago because of that mentality.

Need more gold? Just tell the villagers to pay more.
 
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